Damn, it was so obvious. Now that I've figured it out, I feel like the show isn't worth watching anymore...
(Robb Zombie)
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
June 05 2013 12:00 GMT
#18921
Damn, it was so obvious. Now that I've figured it out, I feel like the show isn't worth watching anymore... (Robb Zombie) | ||
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zimms
Austria561 Posts
June 05 2013 12:02 GMT
#18922
On June 05 2013 20:46 zatic wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2013 20:18 zimms wrote: On June 05 2013 18:32 zatic wrote: On June 05 2013 18:14 Chrispy wrote: Well Melisandre would definitely say otherwise. Also, since we are talking about Gods it seems silly to suggest it can't be the workings of a God because the timeline doesn't work out exactly. I doubt something as powerful as an actual God would care about time and space much. Easiest way to argue is that her Fire God set plans in motion but demanded from Melisandre a sacrifice or ritual to go through it. That is all saying the whole God thing is even real and she isn't just some crazy woman who possesses some supernatural powers and attributes them to a God. Hm, don't know. I think the Gods can't change time and space as they see fit. If they are even real. This would be too powerful I guess. Why not sacrifice one more leech to kill the first White Walker who ever was, gg? The priest from the brotherhood can 'heal' really, really good thanks to the blessings of his god, but he can't resurrect people who are definitely dead. Didn't he say something like "That's not how it works" when Arya asked about Ned? When they tell the story of Berics past resurrections it is not a stretch to say he can bring back the dead. Beric was caught by the Lannisters, got a dagger through the eye, and was then hanged. It think it is safe to say that killed him. Thoros couldn't have been there or he would have been caught too, so he must have found (dead) Beric later and brought him back to life. The line with Ned was more that that was months ago and that there is probably not much to resurrect left but rotten bones. Fair enough. And lol @ Robb Zombie :D It's so obvious. | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
June 05 2013 12:07 GMT
#18923
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
June 05 2013 12:11 GMT
#18924
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Quexana
98 Posts
June 05 2013 12:12 GMT
#18925
On June 05 2013 16:50 KwarK wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2013 16:26 Zooper31 wrote: Definitely have to disagree that Ned wasn't considered a top class swordsman. Didn't they literally say it in the show that he was. Ned didn't tournament, didn't want the others to know what he could do. He's like a guy who only plays offline vs computers showing up and stomping koreans, impressive but probably not on the power rank. Kinda this, Also remember that Jaime was very much into the tournament scene, and was speaking from that perspective. Ned trained his swordsman skills for war. Different skills are needed when you are fighting 1v1 than when you are fighting in a battle of hundreds and thousands of people. Jaime is clearly the better 1v1 swordsman, in a pitched battle, in close quarters, with men fighting on all sides of you, no one knows how that would have turned out. | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
June 05 2013 12:17 GMT
#18926
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
June 05 2013 12:22 GMT
#18927
Tyrion is my new favorite character and I'm thinking of boarding the SS Stannis after all. | ||
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Quexana
98 Posts
June 05 2013 12:25 GMT
#18928
On June 05 2013 21:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: The saddest part is that after next week we'll have to wait almost a whole year for more Game of Thrones. Tyrion is my new favorite character and I'm thinking of boarding the SS Stannis after all. The Red God takes what is his. Bend the knee before the one true king of Westeros or be destroyed. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 05 2013 12:39 GMT
#18929
very insightful thoughts on ep 9 | ||
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LaSt)ChAnCe
United States2179 Posts
June 05 2013 13:18 GMT
#18930
On June 05 2013 21:12 Quexana wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2013 16:50 KwarK wrote: On June 05 2013 16:26 Zooper31 wrote: Definitely have to disagree that Ned wasn't considered a top class swordsman. Didn't they literally say it in the show that he was. Ned didn't tournament, didn't want the others to know what he could do. He's like a guy who only plays offline vs computers showing up and stomping koreans, impressive but probably not on the power rank. Kinda this, Also remember that Jaime was very much into the tournament scene, and was speaking from that perspective. Ned trained his swordsman skills for war. Different skills are needed when you are fighting 1v1 than when you are fighting in a battle of hundreds and thousands of people. Jaime is clearly the better 1v1 swordsman, in a pitched battle, in close quarters, with men fighting on all sides of you, no one knows how that would have turned out. i don't think that you are correct in saying jaime was clearly the better swordsman. in the one example we had they seemed evenly matched if jaime was better, he either was holding it back or it's not significant enough to show until it becomes a drawn out fight | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
June 05 2013 13:24 GMT
#18931
On June 05 2013 22:18 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2013 21:12 Quexana wrote: On June 05 2013 16:50 KwarK wrote: On June 05 2013 16:26 Zooper31 wrote: Definitely have to disagree that Ned wasn't considered a top class swordsman. Didn't they literally say it in the show that he was. Ned didn't tournament, didn't want the others to know what he could do. He's like a guy who only plays offline vs computers showing up and stomping koreans, impressive but probably not on the power rank. Kinda this, Also remember that Jaime was very much into the tournament scene, and was speaking from that perspective. Ned trained his swordsman skills for war. Different skills are needed when you are fighting 1v1 than when you are fighting in a battle of hundreds and thousands of people. Jaime is clearly the better 1v1 swordsman, in a pitched battle, in close quarters, with men fighting on all sides of you, no one knows how that would have turned out. i don't think that you are correct in saying jaime was clearly the better swordsman. in the one example we had they seemed evenly matched if jaime was better, he either was holding it back or it's not significant enough to show until it becomes a drawn out fight It's the same in pretty much every sport / competitions. If you are better than someone, it doesn't mean you are going to win everytime, it just means your odds are better. You can't judge with a single fight. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
June 05 2013 13:25 GMT
#18932
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aseq
Netherlands3991 Posts
June 05 2013 13:26 GMT
#18933
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LaSt)ChAnCe
United States2179 Posts
June 05 2013 13:30 GMT
#18934
On June 05 2013 22:24 DertoQq wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2013 22:18 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: On June 05 2013 21:12 Quexana wrote: On June 05 2013 16:50 KwarK wrote: On June 05 2013 16:26 Zooper31 wrote: Definitely have to disagree that Ned wasn't considered a top class swordsman. Didn't they literally say it in the show that he was. Ned didn't tournament, didn't want the others to know what he could do. He's like a guy who only plays offline vs computers showing up and stomping koreans, impressive but probably not on the power rank. Kinda this, Also remember that Jaime was very much into the tournament scene, and was speaking from that perspective. Ned trained his swordsman skills for war. Different skills are needed when you are fighting 1v1 than when you are fighting in a battle of hundreds and thousands of people. Jaime is clearly the better 1v1 swordsman, in a pitched battle, in close quarters, with men fighting on all sides of you, no one knows how that would have turned out. i don't think that you are correct in saying jaime was clearly the better swordsman. in the one example we had they seemed evenly matched if jaime was better, he either was holding it back or it's not significant enough to show until it becomes a drawn out fight It's the same in pretty much every sport / competitions. If you are better than someone, it doesn't mean you are going to win everytime, it just means your odds are better. You can't judge with a single fight. i'm not judging with a single fight - what i am saying is that you can't disregard ned's skill because in the one example we had, they seemed to be on equal level (versus your speculation based on the fact that ned doesn't fight in tournaments) | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
June 05 2013 13:31 GMT
#18935
On June 05 2013 10:55 Dfgj wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2013 10:19 Usagi wrote: On June 05 2013 08:55 Papulatus wrote: On June 05 2013 06:54 Lord Tolkien wrote: On June 05 2013 06:45 Grovbolle wrote: On June 05 2013 06:41 Madars wrote: On June 05 2013 06:36 Talack wrote: On June 05 2013 06:32 Gosi wrote: I can't even remember how much Jon Snow knows. Does he even know that they are at war? He doesn't even know about Winterfell does he? He had no reason to even think that Bran was all the way out there and didn't think about the wolf in the heat of the moment. I think it was a pretty good scene with how he just ditched Ygritte and how broken she looked. ^^ John Snow knows nothing of course, he doesn't read books! He knows how to pleasure a woman without breaking his vow :D I'm fairly certain he still broke his vows, if comments about his pretty pecker are to believed. Also, that does raise the question of when he has broken them. What level of sexual intimacy counts? Because this is important damnit. If he's still a virgin, he may qualify for wizardhood like Sam. "Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all nights to come." He hasn't taken a wife and hasn't fathered children so he has broken no vows. It was to my understanding that they keep houses full of whores near the wall for the Nightwatch, Tyrion mentioned about visiting them. It also makes sense to have them so the men dont go bat shit crazy... they just wont recognice any child that might happen, and as bastards use them in the Nightwatch as stableboys. And it's considered scandalous/disreputable that they sneak out to them - thus it's a breaking of vows, not done openly. They send thieves, murders and bastards to the wall, think they give a fuck? xD | ||
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Quexana
98 Posts
June 05 2013 13:39 GMT
#18936
On June 05 2013 22:18 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2013 21:12 Quexana wrote: On June 05 2013 16:50 KwarK wrote: On June 05 2013 16:26 Zooper31 wrote: Definitely have to disagree that Ned wasn't considered a top class swordsman. Didn't they literally say it in the show that he was. Ned didn't tournament, didn't want the others to know what he could do. He's like a guy who only plays offline vs computers showing up and stomping koreans, impressive but probably not on the power rank. Kinda this, Also remember that Jaime was very much into the tournament scene, and was speaking from that perspective. Ned trained his swordsman skills for war. Different skills are needed when you are fighting 1v1 than when you are fighting in a battle of hundreds and thousands of people. Jaime is clearly the better 1v1 swordsman, in a pitched battle, in close quarters, with men fighting on all sides of you, no one knows how that would have turned out. i don't think that you are correct in saying jaime was clearly the better swordsman. in the one example we had they seemed evenly matched if jaime was better, he either was holding it back or it's not significant enough to show until it becomes a drawn out fight Seeing as how Jaime went into that fight with the intention of taking Ned Stark alive, I would infer that, yes, he was holding it back a bit. Also, the fight lasted about 35 seconds. Two well trained swordsman could easily appear fairly equal in a 35 second fight. Foreman looked equal to Ali in the first 35 seconds of the Rumble in the Jungle, yet Ali was clearly the better fighter. Also, if you rewatch that fight, you'll notice Ned grunting and hacking and slashing almost wildly, while Jaime is very controlled in his dodging and parrying of every attack. Jaime is, in fact, smiling through a good portion of that fight. He's not worried in the slightest, while Ned is giving it everything he has. Not that it matters now, since Ned is dead and Jaime has lost his sword hand, but at full strength, Jaime Lannister was a better 1v1 swordsman than Eddard Stark. | ||
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CatfooD
United States203 Posts
June 05 2013 13:40 GMT
#18937
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LaSt)ChAnCe
United States2179 Posts
June 05 2013 13:49 GMT
#18938
On June 05 2013 22:39 Quexana wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2013 22:18 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: On June 05 2013 21:12 Quexana wrote: On June 05 2013 16:50 KwarK wrote: On June 05 2013 16:26 Zooper31 wrote: Definitely have to disagree that Ned wasn't considered a top class swordsman. Didn't they literally say it in the show that he was. Ned didn't tournament, didn't want the others to know what he could do. He's like a guy who only plays offline vs computers showing up and stomping koreans, impressive but probably not on the power rank. Kinda this, Also remember that Jaime was very much into the tournament scene, and was speaking from that perspective. Ned trained his swordsman skills for war. Different skills are needed when you are fighting 1v1 than when you are fighting in a battle of hundreds and thousands of people. Jaime is clearly the better 1v1 swordsman, in a pitched battle, in close quarters, with men fighting on all sides of you, no one knows how that would have turned out. i don't think that you are correct in saying jaime was clearly the better swordsman. in the one example we had they seemed evenly matched if jaime was better, he either was holding it back or it's not significant enough to show until it becomes a drawn out fight Seeing as how Jaime went into that fight with the intention of taking Ned Stark alive, I would infer that, yes, he was holding it back a bit. Also, the fight lasted about 35 seconds. Two well trained swordsman could easily appear fairly equal in a 35 second fight. Foreman looked equal to Ali in the first 35 seconds of the Rumble in the Jungle, yet Ali was clearly the better fighter. Also, if you rewatch that fight, you'll notice Ned grunting and hacking and slashing almost wildly, while Jaime is very controlled in his dodging and parrying every attack. Jaime is, in fact, smiling through a good portion of that fight. He's not worried in the slightest, while Ned is giving it everything he has. Not that it matters now, since Ned is dead and Jaime has lost his sword hand, but at full strength, Jaime Lannister was a better 1v1 swordsman than Eddard Stark. you misunderstand, i'm not saying ned is better or even as good. what i'm saying is that you are overestimating the difference in their abilities based on nothing but conjecture i did rewatch the fight. jaime is also grunting and gritting his teeth. i watched closely and saw jaime smile once when he dodged a close slash to his face. obviously he's more likely to smile than ned, as he just ganged up on ned and killed his guards (who were his friends iirc) watch 2:20-2:30 and look at jaime's face - like at 2:25. that's not a smile | ||
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Quexana
98 Posts
June 05 2013 13:52 GMT
#18939
On June 05 2013 22:40 CatfooD wrote: Didn't Brienne beat Loras Tyrell in a fight in Highgarden at the beginning of season 2 or something? From the dialog and context clues, it seems like Brienne, Loras, Eddard, Jaime, and Ser Barriston are all the best swordsmen. We don't really know about how good Jon Snow, Jorah Mormont, Darrio, and Grey Worm are in comparison. Loras is a jouster. With a lance, he's a god. With a sword, he's good, but beatable. Loras was made for the cavalry, not the infantry. IMHO the best swordsman are Sir Barristan, Jaime (pre-dismemberment), Gregor Clegane, and possibly Bronn. | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
June 05 2013 13:59 GMT
#18940
Being married to Sansa, can Tyrion has any claim to the North now that Robb is dead ? Or it doesn't work since he isn't directly related to the stark family ? | ||
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