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On June 04 2013 18:57 NVRLand wrote:
So, who do you guys think will be the new Robb? I believe that George R.R. Martin must make a new "fan favourite" soon. Someone the viewers can cheer for and hope that he or she avenges Ned, Robb and Catelyn?
I don't understand how the story will continue at all. My theory was that Robb would die but I didn't think it would happen this early, more like at the end of the series. At the moment we have Daenarys and Stannis with the "possibility" to avenge the Starks and claim the throne but I don't feel like Daenarys will get to King's Landing in a while and Stannis is just kinda lame.
The story has to pull out some tricks to keep watchers entertained. Even though Martin keeps it unpredictable (and totally awesome) I doubt some will continue watching if there's no good guy left.
Jon Snow. You can see a lot of Eddard Stark in him; he is truly the man's son. Now the question is how will they deal with him being disinherited from all titles and being in no position of power.
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Okay. I don't get it. Why would the Frey want to betray the Starks? If the Freys help the Starks, they will gain considerable favour with the future King, and one of the daughters is directly tied to the loyal bloodline.
And if that last question is answered because helping the Lannisters are better, then at least why kill Robb? I feel like Caitlyn could have answered, when the dickhead leader of Freys said "Why would I let him go", she could have said "Because the Lannisters want his head the most, and Lannisters are the richest family in the kingdoms. If you had Robb to them alive, you would probably get a hefty reward"
And thus, Caitlyn can at least delay Robb's death (giving him a slight window to escape) or maybe the even 1% chance that Tywin could respect Robb's military skills and have him around as a slave / military advisor
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On June 04 2013 19:51 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 18:57 NVRLand wrote:
So, who do you guys think will be the new Robb? I believe that George R.R. Martin must make a new "fan favourite" soon. Someone the viewers can cheer for and hope that he or she avenges Ned, Robb and Catelyn?
I don't understand how the story will continue at all. My theory was that Robb would die but I didn't think it would happen this early, more like at the end of the series. At the moment we have Daenarys and Stannis with the "possibility" to avenge the Starks and claim the throne but I don't feel like Daenarys will get to King's Landing in a while and Stannis is just kinda lame.
The story has to pull out some tricks to keep watchers entertained. Even though Martin keeps it unpredictable (and totally awesome) I doubt some will continue watching if there's no good guy left. Jon Snow. You can see a lot of Eddard Stark in him; he is truly the man's son. Now the question is how will they deal with him being disinherited from all titles and being in no position of power.
Seems to me like they're pushing Daenerys for that fan favorite type of role. Giving freedom to the slaves and all.
On June 04 2013 20:06 GhostOwl wrote:
Okay. I don't get it. Why would the Frey want to betray the Starks? If the Freys help the Starks, they will gain considerable favour with the future King, and one of the daughters is directly tied to the loyal bloodline.
And if that last question is answered because helping the Lannisters are better, then at least why kill Robb? I feel like Caitlyn could have answered, when the dickhead leader of Freys said "Why would I let him go", she could have said "Because the Lannisters want his head the most, and Lannisters are the richest family in the kingdoms. If you had Robb to them alive, you would probably get a hefty reward"
And thus, Caitlyn can at least delay Robb's death (giving him a slight window to escape) or maybe the even 1% chance that Tywin could respect Robb's military skills and have him around as a slave / military advisor
Just blind fury. He was betrayed and wanted vengeance, probably not the best tactical move at all.
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The Lannisters are now more or less uncontested in Westeros. I wonder how they want to keep up the tension.
Lets see..
- Tyrells and Lannisters are NOT allies, they are both playing for the crown position.
- Winter is coming, people are already poor and soon they wont have anything to eat.
- Wildlings and white walkers.
- North doesnt have a warden right now, im assuming there will be players for it.
- Stannis and his red god are no joke even if their navy fleet been destroyed.
- The crown/Lannisters are in huge debt for the iron bank of Braavos.
- Inner disagreements between Tywin, Tyrion and Cersei.
- Dany is starting to be a real threat, even the idiot Joffrey realizes this.
These are some of the Lannister problems, even if they are not aware of the wildling/whitewalker situation.
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On June 04 2013 20:06 GhostOwl wrote:
Okay. I don't get it. Why would the Frey want to betray the Starks? If the Freys help the Starks, they will gain considerable favour with the future King, and one of the daughters is directly tied to the loyal bloodline.
And if that last question is answered because helping the Lannisters are better, then at least why kill Robb? I feel like Caitlyn could have answered, when the dickhead leader of Freys said "Why would I let him go", she could have said "Because the Lannisters want his head the most, and Lannisters are the richest family in the kingdoms. If you had Robb to them alive, you would probably get a hefty reward"
And thus, Caitlyn can at least delay Robb's death (giving him a slight window to escape) or maybe the even 1% chance that Tywin could respect Robb's military skills and have him around as a slave / military advisor
Read yourself 
Do you think a mother would rather have her son handed alive to his arch ennemy or just killed ...
She wanted him to live that's all, she hoped in a last desperate attempt that Lord Frey would maybe let him leave. Of course the man had aboslutely no reason to do that, he's one of those holding a big grudge against Robb ... and he must have been pretty happy to set-up that plan knowing he would with the same stone, kill Robb Stark (therefore getting some kind of payback) and gain the Lannister's favor (making them the uncontested strongest force in the Seven Kingdoms ... at least on this side of the sea)
And that's not blind fury AT ALL either, it's a very thought out move from an old man who's been around and has seen people playing the game of thrones for quite a while. He had a grudge against Robb but it's the global context of war between Starks and Lannisters that gave him the opportunity to do that. it wasn't a move out of madness ...
EDIT: at least that's how I interprete it
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On June 04 2013 18:38 esperanto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 18:23 dehdar wrote:On June 04 2013 18:21 h41fgod wrote:On June 04 2013 18:20 dehdar wrote:Seriously of all the ways Robs faith could have ended... are you shitting me? 1. Rob asks his mother for advice. Last time he ignored it, he lost Greyjoy. She tells him to go ahead to visit that hole in the ground. 2. His freaken wife just told him, she would name his son Eddard! 3. Arya is 30 minutes away from reuniting with her mother and brother. BOOM! Everything ends the shittiest way possible! Will this shit series continue till only Lannister scum are left? I'm sooooooooo frustrated about the ending of last episode! With no Rob what is to become of the Starks???  You have not been paying attention. What do you mean? All I know is that good people die. If they kill off Arya and John Snow... no wait, he is a freaken stark... John Stark, then I'm done with this series. Who am I kidding I'll still be watching He was quoting the series. "If you think this has an happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." Which describes the whole story quite well.
Not recognizing that quote perfectly illustrates this as well.
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Hey guys, I have a strange request.
I really enjoy watching GoT and had been watching regularly until this season. However, I just have a serious, SERIOUS, phobia of the torture scenes, the ones with Theon, so I haven't been able to watch any episodes just to avoid them.
Any advice or can someone point out episodes that are Theon-free? Thanks...
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On June 04 2013 20:34 adx2infinitum wrote:
Hey guys, I have a strange request.
I really enjoy watching GoT and had been watching regularly until this season. However, I just have a serious, SERIOUS, phobia of the torture scenes, the ones with Theon, so I haven't been able to watch any episodes just to avoid them.
Any advice or can someone point out episodes that are Theon-free? Thanks...
The last two episodes have been Theon-free.
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If you skip the entire episodes coz of that you might not watch more than 3 out of the 10 of season 3. Why don't you just skip the scenes? One might start instantly with torture but definitely not all of them, when you see Theon you skip ... (so far he has only been experiencing different types of psychological and physical totrture anyway ...)
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On June 04 2013 20:34 adx2infinitum wrote:
Hey guys, I have a strange request.
I really enjoy watching GoT and had been watching regularly until this season. However, I just have a serious, SERIOUS, phobia of the torture scenes, the ones with Theon, so I haven't been able to watch any episodes just to avoid them.
Any advice or can someone point out episodes that are Theon-free? Thanks...
3x06 3x07 3x08 and following are completely torture free. Enjoy
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On June 04 2013 19:51 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 18:57 NVRLand wrote:
So, who do you guys think will be the new Robb? I believe that George R.R. Martin must make a new "fan favourite" soon. Someone the viewers can cheer for and hope that he or she avenges Ned, Robb and Catelyn?
I don't understand how the story will continue at all. My theory was that Robb would die but I didn't think it would happen this early, more like at the end of the series. At the moment we have Daenarys and Stannis with the "possibility" to avenge the Starks and claim the throne but I don't feel like Daenarys will get to King's Landing in a while and Stannis is just kinda lame.
The story has to pull out some tricks to keep watchers entertained. Even though Martin keeps it unpredictable (and totally awesome) I doubt some will continue watching if there's no good guy left. Jon Snow. You can see a lot of Eddard Stark in him; he is truly the man's son. Now the question is how will they deal with him being disinherited from all titles and being in no position of power.
Yes but as I see it:
1) Jon Snow won't claim the throne. He's not a "real" Stark and will not be able to do the "Robb thing" to avenge his family.
2) He's rather busy with the wildlings in the north
3) He's taken the black. He'll have a hard time convincing anyone to help him if they find out he's a deserteur (spelling?) from the Night's Watch.
People will still cheer for Jon and Bran but tbh they do not make any threat to the bad guys (who the mainstream audiance wants to see dead).
George R.R. Martin has been good with killing off important good characters. Now I think it's time to kill off a bad guy (Joeffrey, Tywin, Bolton or someone like that) but I guess he'll just kill Tyrion or something
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On June 04 2013 20:06 OrchidThief wrote:
Seems to me like they're pushing Daenerys for that fan favorite type of role. Giving freedom to the slaves and all.
As well as massacring (all of?) the slaveowning adults in Astaphor, for instance, and no real effort to rebuild the city's likely gutted political system (though it could just be lack of screen time and she did it before leaving that city).
Still, she's been dwaddling in Slaver's Bay in her own personal crusade instead of just heading home to Westeros.
I personally think she's an tiresome, arrogant braggart (though to be fair, she does have reason to be). But that's my opinion.
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If I'm in the shoes of Jon, and I hear about the news of Robb, I think getting revenge takes precedence over saving people from whitewalkers. I mean, who does he have left to protect? Everyone is assumed dead. The only people he'd be saving from whitewalkers are his enemies.
As well as massacring (all of?) the slaveowning adults in Astaphor, for instance, and no real effort to rebuild the city's likely gutted political system (though it could just be lack of screen time and she did it before leaving that city).
Still, she's been dwaddling in Slaver's Bay in her own personal crusade instead of just heading home to Westeros.
I personally think she's an tiresome, arrogant braggart (though to be fair, she does have reason to be). But that's my opinion.
So? They're slavers. The whole city revolved around the slave trade and everyone who wasn't a slave was probably involved to some extent. I don't think many people have sympathy for them.
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Do people actually instantly fall down after they get their throat cut like that. It would seem to be that there would be a lot more (trying to, at least) screaming and grabbing your neck with your hands. I don't believe you would instantly faint like that.
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On June 04 2013 20:48 NVRLand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 19:51 LoLAdriankat wrote:On June 04 2013 18:57 NVRLand wrote:
So, who do you guys think will be the new Robb? I believe that George R.R. Martin must make a new "fan favourite" soon. Someone the viewers can cheer for and hope that he or she avenges Ned, Robb and Catelyn?
I don't understand how the story will continue at all. My theory was that Robb would die but I didn't think it would happen this early, more like at the end of the series. At the moment we have Daenarys and Stannis with the "possibility" to avenge the Starks and claim the throne but I don't feel like Daenarys will get to King's Landing in a while and Stannis is just kinda lame.
The story has to pull out some tricks to keep watchers entertained. Even though Martin keeps it unpredictable (and totally awesome) I doubt some will continue watching if there's no good guy left. Jon Snow. You can see a lot of Eddard Stark in him; he is truly the man's son. Now the question is how will they deal with him being disinherited from all titles and being in no position of power. Yes but as I see it: 1) Jon Snow won't claim the throne. He's not a "real" Stark and will not be able to do the "Robb thing" to avenge his family. 2) He's rather busy with the wildlings in the north 3) He's taken the black. He'll have a hard time convincing anyone to help him if they find out he's a deserteur (spelling?) from the Night's Watch. People will still cheer for Jon and Bran but tbh they do not make any threat to the bad guys (who the mainstream audiance wants to see dead). George R.R. Martin has been good with killing off important good characters. Now I think it's time to kill off a bad guy (Joeffrey, Tywin, Bolton or someone like that) but I guess he'll just kill Tyrion or something
Tyrion is his favourite charcter he said it ... can't see him killing it! I agree with the part where he has to kill a "bad" guy though ... Lord Bolton would be the most "mainstream appealing" death since he's ben nothing but a scumbag so far (he basically admitted to Jaime's face that he was responsible for his lost hand, still sets him free to go to his family to gain their favors, betrays the Stark in the red wedding etc ..). Bolton must die.
Another thing I've been speaking a lot with friends today, what's your take on Arya? Beside the womb stabbing moment, I felt like going back to showing Arya while the massacre is going on was also very sad. I felt so bad for her, after all she's been through she was finally about to get a little rest but BAMMMMM ... she got Martined.
Only good point of that is that she now has 100% chance to go crazy. My take is that she'll probably find a way to reach Braavos (she has too many connections with the place not to go there) and train to become an assasssin or a dancing master or anything like that.
She's like Batman, except she's Starkgirl ... but same story ...
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On June 04 2013 19:51 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 18:57 NVRLand wrote:
So, who do you guys think will be the new Robb? I believe that George R.R. Martin must make a new "fan favourite" soon. Someone the viewers can cheer for and hope that he or she avenges Ned, Robb and Catelyn?
I don't understand how the story will continue at all. My theory was that Robb would die but I didn't think it would happen this early, more like at the end of the series. At the moment we have Daenarys and Stannis with the "possibility" to avenge the Starks and claim the throne but I don't feel like Daenarys will get to King's Landing in a while and Stannis is just kinda lame.
The story has to pull out some tricks to keep watchers entertained. Even though Martin keeps it unpredictable (and totally awesome) I doubt some will continue watching if there's no good guy left. Jon Snow. You can see a lot of Eddard Stark in him; he is truly the man's son. Now the question is how will they deal with him being disinherited from all titles and being in no position of power.
Funny how both Robb and Jon seem to also share the trait of going against their vows for a woman.
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On June 04 2013 20:56 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 19:51 LoLAdriankat wrote:On June 04 2013 18:57 NVRLand wrote:
So, who do you guys think will be the new Robb? I believe that George R.R. Martin must make a new "fan favourite" soon. Someone the viewers can cheer for and hope that he or she avenges Ned, Robb and Catelyn?
I don't understand how the story will continue at all. My theory was that Robb would die but I didn't think it would happen this early, more like at the end of the series. At the moment we have Daenarys and Stannis with the "possibility" to avenge the Starks and claim the throne but I don't feel like Daenarys will get to King's Landing in a while and Stannis is just kinda lame.
The story has to pull out some tricks to keep watchers entertained. Even though Martin keeps it unpredictable (and totally awesome) I doubt some will continue watching if there's no good guy left. Jon Snow. You can see a lot of Eddard Stark in him; he is truly the man's son. Now the question is how will they deal with him being disinherited from all titles and being in no position of power. Funny how both Robb and Jon seem to also share the trait of going against their vows for a woman.
Did you watch last episode? Basically why did Robb die?
I'd say it's a common trait to all Starks man :D
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On June 04 2013 20:51 Thorakh wrote:
Do people actually instantly fall down after they get their throat cut like that. It would seem to be that there would be a lot more (trying to, at least) screaming and grabbing your neck with your hands. I don't believe you would instantly faint like that.
Well duh, except that it's a drama series, not a snuff movie. It's a pretty straightforward choice to make someone instantly fall down and end with silent credits instead of watching someone choking on their blood for 2 minutes.
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On June 04 2013 20:06 GhostOwl wrote:
Okay. I don't get it. Why would the Frey want to betray the Starks? If the Freys help the Starks, they will gain considerable favour with the future King, and one of the daughters is directly tied to the loyal bloodline.
And if that last question is answered because helping the Lannisters are better, then at least why kill Robb? I feel like Caitlyn could have answered, when the dickhead leader of Freys said "Why would I let him go", she could have said "Because the Lannisters want his head the most, and Lannisters are the richest family in the kingdoms. If you had Robb to them alive, you would probably get a hefty reward"
And thus, Caitlyn can at least delay Robb's death (giving him a slight window to escape) or maybe the even 1% chance that Tywin could respect Robb's military skills and have him around as a slave / military advisor
Because, walder frey and tywin lannister made a deal. Walder gets his vengeance and tywins protection and gets excused for helping robb who was losing the war. Also with killing the starks the freys and boltons have ambitions in the north
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On June 04 2013 20:57 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 20:51 Thorakh wrote:
Do people actually instantly fall down after they get their throat cut like that. It would seem to be that there would be a lot more (trying to, at least) screaming and grabbing your neck with your hands. I don't believe you would instantly faint like that. Well duh, except that it's a drama series, not a snuff movie. It's a pretty straightforward choice to make someone instantly fall down and end with silent credits instead of watching someone choking on their blood for 2 minutes.
yes, and also ... some people faint after seeing a bit of blood... I guess it's not that unrealistic to see someone faint after getting his throat cut : D
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