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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 17 2013 22:04 Figgy wrote: Ned did confess in order to try and save his own life. He took Varys offer and Jeoffry simply ignored it and executed him anyways. Lol so wrong. Ned explicitly said he doesnt care about his life, as a soldier he has learned dying a long time ago. Varys could only convince him by bringing up his daughters. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 17 2013 22:16 massivez wrote: No, like he said to Varys he was ready to die. But after Varys brought up his children and how they would fare if he didn't confess treason, that's what made him change his mind. That's the only reason he confessed treason, not him trying to save his own life. Varys and most smart people wanted to send him to the wall, so Robb wouldn't rebel etc. Joffrey is responsible for the war of the five Kings. There might have still been a war though just without the Starks. The Baratheons really wanted that throne. Ultimately the war is the fault of Jaime and Cersei. Also I just realized the Starks were already at war with the Lannisters before Eddard was killed. | ||
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frontliner2
Netherlands844 Posts
Crown/Realm has enough threats to deal without being able to avoid them (stannis). Having the full host of the North wanting vengeance on the Crown is a risk they would rather not take. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 17 2013 22:35 frontliner2 wrote: I agree with zatic, even Cersei wanted Ned to live and exiled to the Wall. There was no need for bloodshed or war if that happened. Diplomatic ties would have been broken between realm and the North for some time. Jamie would have been exchanged for Sansa/Arya and it would have been peace after all between Crown and the North. Crown/Realm has enough threats to deal without being able to avoid them (stannis). Having the full host of the North wanting vengeance on the Crown is a risk they would rather not take. The main battles between Stark and Lannister already hapened and Jaime was already taken prisoner before Ned was executed. But yeah, maybe it would have been possible to negotiate a peace between Stark and Lannister if he had lived, in exchange for Jaime for example. The baratheons would have continued marching anyway though. | ||
zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
Joeffrey really fucked up that one haha. | ||
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
Then the same thing happens with Renly and Stannis but now what remains of the Lannister army can defend KL so their position is even stronger and most likely the Tyrells join them and Blackwater ends up going the same way. With no other distractions Stannis is hunted down and the war is effectively over. The North would probably still be seriously pissed but I imagine Tywin having enough common sense to give them some concessions in order to avoid future conflict. But still, with retard Jeoffrey on the Throne for most likely many decades the chances of him seriously pissing off most other great houses is pretty great. So in the end there may been a Robert's Rebellion part II. | ||
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Aegon I
Canada133 Posts
On May 16 2013 20:09 Scorch wrote: It's getting late in the week and we need some more unending discussion. After character alignments, swordsman rankings and ice melting methods, it's time for a current Power Rank of the Great Houses. = 1 Lannister (still firmly in control, has the king, a good army and loads of money) Well, they're sharing power with the Tyrells, and they have far fewer troops than at the outset of hostilities. They started out with around 45k men, raised another 10-15, which got destroyed, but now they're down to around 20k, because for the past two years they've been waging a brutal war of attrition. As for the king, yeah, they still have that. Loads of money? The crown is at least 6 million gold dragons in debt (which, considering the rough value of medieval gold coins, is billions if not trillions in today's money), and to some pretty hardass creditors. On May 16 2013 20:09 Scorch wrote: ▲ 2 Tyrell (plays the Game well, about to have the queen, Margaery can control Joffrey, decent army and wealth) Indeed, although I'd say not decent, but excellent army. By far the largest of any in the field. On May 16 2013 20:09 Scorch wrote: ▼ 3 Stark (lost the Karstarks, will soon gain Frey's forces) Well, the Karstarks were hardly half of Robb's force. It's an exaggeration. But definitely fallen somewhat. On May 16 2013 20:09 Scorch wrote: ▲ 4 Targaryen (playing Spartacus. Will be the strongest force when dragons grow and slaves and Dothraki join) 8000 men + baby dragons is not much, although definitely an increase. Though I wouldn't say having tens of thousands of unarmed, untrained slaves would be good. They'd be pretty worthless and hamper logistics. On May 16 2013 20:09 Scorch wrote: ▼ 5 Baratheon (has not recovered from Blackwater Bay. Melisandre may still assassinate anyone with a shadow) Quite so, although I wouldn't wager on Mel's assassination abilities anytime soon. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
Charles dance/tywin has a such a strong presence on screen, but he migt piss joffrey off a bit too much. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
can anyone recite from memory? lol | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On May 18 2013 04:33 jinorazi wrote: dany has the longest title, therefore is the strongest. can anyone recite from memory? lol first of her name, queen of westeros, breaker of chains, mother of dragons, rider of horsies + Show Spoiler + lol | ||
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albis
United States652 Posts
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
Also they seem to only focus on the red dragon, would like to get some close ups of the other dragons. | ||
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Jophess
United States95 Posts
How could anybody forget? It's only a paragraph of titles, lol. + Show Spoiler + I looked it up  Edit: I got it her titles from http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Daenerys_Targaryen in order to not confuse myself between book and show titles. I have no idea which titles are in each version. I think "blood of Old Valyria" is just something she says to sound more badass, not an actual title. | ||
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
On May 18 2013 05:00 Jophess wrote: She is Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Lady Regent of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Breaker of Chains, and Mother of Dragons. How could anybody forget? It's only a paragraph of titles, lol. + Show Spoiler + I looked it up You forgot "Queen Across the Sea", "The Unburnt" and "Something Something of the Rhoynar". | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
On May 18 2013 05:38 CrimsonLotus wrote: You forgot "Queen Across the Sea", "The Unburnt" and "Something Something of the Rhoynar". Daenerys "where the hell are my dragons" Targaryen | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
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GWdeathscythe
Brazil1091 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8251 Posts
On May 18 2013 09:13 Emnjay808 wrote: I just finished rewatching Season 2. Wasnt Sam supposed to die at the very last scene there. What the fuck happened exactly. I thought he was good as dead -_- We can only speculate.I think it might be the same reason they let the guy in the very first scene in season 1 live as well. Maybe they don't kill cowards/helpless/not aggressive people? | ||
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