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On May 01 2013 13:11 TeePee wrote:
I hope a battle with the lord of light faction vs the white walkers happens and both sides fight over corpses to resurrect them to add to their armies.
I dont think the lord of light can resurrect people the way you are describing. Otherwise, i feel like they would of told Arya that they could revive their father.
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Don't forget that those who are 'resurrected' feel lesser than previously each time. How many times before they are just fiery versions of the white walkers?
I call it here first! They will be called red riders, or red raiders. That's what it will be called.
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On May 01 2013 13:38 plogamer wrote:
Don't forget that those who are 'resurrected' feel lesser than previously each time. How many times before they are just fiery versions of the white walkers?
I call it here first! They will be called red riders, or red raiders. That's what it will be called.
Red Runners. not to be confused with rum runners.
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On May 01 2013 06:20 Spykiller wrote:OK im waaay behind on this thread, but i remember reading in a Norwegian newspaper that if the show was succesful, it would take 8 seasons to finish the show. This was from some source i dont remember, but it was written just before season 2 started, and just after i started watching season 1, so it burnt itself into my memory. On the other hand, me and my friend have a theory that the dragons need to be ridden. Deny will ride one, the second one i had Brann riding, but after realising his talent was "worging" or whatever im not so sure anymore. However when i saw Stannises daughter i was like " SHE HAEV TEH DRAGON SCALES ON HER FACE DAWG!!" and now she is suspect number 3 for Dragon Rider. So thats my 2 cents 
Dude they are dragons! Not Nazgul fell beasts.
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'Finally, the demoralised soldiers were routed. They tried to escape through a gap left open on purpose by the Mongols, because fleeing soldiers can be killed more easily than those who, with their backs to a wall, are forced to fight to the death.'
Badass mongols
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On May 01 2013 12:27 Aegon I wrote:
I have a couple of issues with the last ep:
1) how the hell did Qyburn return to full health so quickly?
2) was it just me or was the whole Olyvar/Baelish/Sansa thing really rushed in the edit?
Time spent in this series can go very fast without any indication. Could have been multiple weeks since the first episode where Qyburn was in a shitty state.
When a character (Robb) says he goes somewhere (Riverun) and the next episode he's already there etc... Realisticly it took a lot of days to move there. Especially when army movement are involved.
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On May 01 2013 14:41 ShloobeR wrote:'Finally, the demoralised soldiers were routed. They tried to escape through a gap left open on purpose by the Mongols, because fleeing soldiers can be killed more easily than those who, with their backs to a wall, are forced to fight to the death.' Badass mongols
If you think that's cool, you should read The Devil's Horsemen: The Mongol Invasion of Europe by James Chambers. It's a short historical book about the Mongol invasion of Europe (duh), and it is filled with a bunch of insane tactics like the one you quoted used by the Mongols. It's also eye opening to know that the Mongols really did almost conquer all of Europe if it weren't for some internal political struggles.
Here's another instance of Mongol badassery:
Inalchuk was sent to Chingis Khan's [that's Genghis Khan] headquarters, where molten silver was poured into his eyes and ears until he died.
Khal Drogo anyone?
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On May 01 2013 11:03 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 07:27 Whitewing wrote:On May 01 2013 07:23 ZasZ. wrote:On May 01 2013 07:08 Aegon I wrote:
Wildlings- much closer to 10k, I believe. With next to no armory except the raided material & Giants. Well, plus the inexpressive face of Jon Snow.
Dany - Don't think they have clear advantage, yet. The Unsullied are unproven, untrained in Westerosi-combat, light-armed and the Dragons are hardly hitting puberty. Say whatever you want about the Unsullied, but if they are anything it is proven. They are trained from young boys to be the perfect soldier and no nothing else. Experience in real battle isn't a factor when morale isn't a factor. Well, the real issue is how they will stack up against armored Westerosi knights and soldiers. The unsullied don't wear heavy armor and wield spears, they're basically well trained infantrymen. That will do well against untrained soldiers, but probably not so well against the knights in full plate armor. Spear will piece a full plate a lot easier than most other weapons so that isn't the best argument. Also most armies (especially northern but even the Lannisters) are light armored infantrymen; they don't have this mass of knights flowing around. Calvary will be the unsullied's biggest weakness if they don't understand proper formation to deflect cavalry charges which may be likely since horses rather scarce in any scene outside of the seven kingdoms.
I would think that they have received a lot of training in fighting vs the Dothraki (considering who they would usually be sold to). It might be a bit different fighting against heavy cavalry though.
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What was up with Pycell? Was he internationally misinforming the mad king about the loyalty of the Lannisters? He's shady as hell. Also, it's kind of ironic how Jaime served a mad king and is father to one.
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On May 01 2013 19:29 Kishin2 wrote:
What was up with Pycell? Was he internationally misinforming the mad king about the loyalty of the Lannisters? He's shady as hell. Also, it's kind of ironic how Jaime served a mad king and is father to one.
That's how I understood it at least. It coincides with my view of Pycelle being a cunning, scheming man that's not primarily loyal to the crown (him betraying Tyrions a.k.a the acting hand of the king's confidence and telling Cersei of the wedding plans for Myrcella is one example of this). He's definitely not the old harmless fart he pretends to be.
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Pycelle seems an asshole no doubt.
What I really liked this episode is how Jamie being a dishonorable asshole is suddenly turned upside down. He was kind of right to kill the king, was he not? The mad king really was mad. It seems we're going to have to start liking Jamie, it's unfortunate that he lost his hand.
Anyway, I think many of you are underestimating the absolute power that you get from 3 dragons. The Targaryens conquered all of Westoros with a handful, if I recall correctly. I'm looking forward to see how them grow up and start owning everyone. As of now, they're already pretty dangerous.
The marriage arrangements that Tywin want are actually pretty huge. Joffrey and Margaret give the Tyrells to the Lannisters. Cersei and Loras make that claim even tighter. Tyrion and Sansa give the Lannisters the north, though only if Robb falls. They also get to keep Sansa has a hostage against the Starks. Tywin is really fucking cunning; the guy who acts for him is an excellent actor as well.
Considering he lost half of his men, it's possible that he does fall. I hope he doesn't. I wonder how the invasion at Casterly Rock will go. That could turn out to be a trump card for the Starks if it goes through. Also Arya getting back to Robb, that's going to be pretty good.
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On May 01 2013 19:29 Kishin2 wrote:
What was up with Pycell? Was he internationally misinforming the mad king about the loyalty of the Lannisters? He's shady as hell. Also, it's kind of ironic how Jaime served a mad king and is father to one.
Unless Joffrey's insecurities escalate really badly I see no reason to compare him with the mad king... Who was truly mad. He's just a whiny teen, not mad.
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On May 01 2013 20:07 son1dow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 19:29 Kishin2 wrote:
What was up with Pycell? Was he internationally misinforming the mad king about the loyalty of the Lannisters? He's shady as hell. Also, it's kind of ironic how Jaime served a mad king and is father to one. Unless Joffrey's insecurities escalate really badly I see no reason to compare him with the mad king... Who was truly mad. He's just a whiny teen, not mad.
Tyrion would disagree with you 
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The Dothraki follow those who are strong. Does Daenerys, having a loyal army of Unsullied and dragons, count as strong, or does only strength in 1vs1 combat count?
IF the Dothraki rejoin their khaleesi, IF she can get her army to the other side of the ocean, IF she can take care of morale and supplies, and IF the dragons grow up decently quickly, Daenerys should be unstoppable. That's a lot of ifs though.
Both Unsullied and Dothraki riders are experienced expert fighters and should own any opposing army of poorly trained peasants on an open field, especially with dragon support. Dragons setting a group of Westerosi soldiers ablaze should strike fear into the untrained militia's hearts, and fleeing enemies are easy pickings for the Dothraki light cavalry. While Daenerys' ground army isn't any good for attacking a fortified castle, castle walls don't do much against dragons except trap the defenders in a burning city.
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On May 01 2013 20:16 Scorch wrote:
The Dothraki follow those who are strong. Does Daenerys, having a loyal army of Unsullied and dragons, count as strong, or does only strength in 1vs1 combat count?
IF the Dothraki rejoin their khaleesi, IF she can get her army to the other side of the ocean, IF she can take care of morale and supplies, and IF the dragons grow up decently quickly, Daenerys should be unstoppable. That's a lot of ifs though.
Both Unsullied and Dothraki riders are experienced expert fighters and should own any opposing army of poorly trained peasants on an open field, especially with dragon support. Dragons setting a group of Westerosi soldiers ablaze should strike fear into the untrained militia's hearts, and fleeing enemies are easy pickings for the Dothraki light cavalry. While Daenerys' ground army isn't any good for attacking a fortified castle, castle walls don't do much against dragons except trap the defenders in a burning city.
I would tend to disagree. The Targaryens conquered all of Westoros with dragons. I think one of the factors is that that castles are good at defending against ground forces. Dragons can fly and bypass castle walls with a ranged (fire) attack. I imagine dragons are highly armored or resilient and wouldn't be taken down easily by arrows or javelins. How else would the Targaryens have taken all of Westoros with them?
Edit: disregard my post, i misread. I agree with you. my bad! ._.
Yeah she has a long way to go before becoming a true power.
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On May 01 2013 06:33 Craze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Executing Karstark was the right decision though, the lord's soldiers wouldn't have fought effectively for Robb either way, and this way he still gets the respect from the rest of his troops for executing Karstark for treason. Arresting and imprisoning Karstark would have guaranteed his family's cooperation and that the men would continue to fight for Robb. This was the worst decision he could possibly make. Once again for the Starks honor gets in the way of what is politically pragmatic and now he's lost half his army for it and most likely doomed his cause. He has to approach a man he has scorned because he "followed his heart," another noble quality.
Karstark completely forced his hand when he was openly taunting him about being a pussy to traitors. There was nothing else he could have done.
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On May 01 2013 20:01 Incognoto wrote:
Pycelle seems an asshole no doubt.
What I really liked this episode is how Jamie being a dishonorable asshole is suddenly turned upside down. He was kind of right to kill the king, was he not? The mad king really was mad. It seems we're going to have to start liking Jamie, it's unfortunate that he lost his hand.
Anyway, I think many of you are underestimating the absolute power that you get from 3 dragons. The Targaryens conquered all of Westoros with a handful, if I recall correctly. I'm looking forward to see how them grow up and start owning everyone. As of now, they're already pretty dangerous.
The marriage arrangements that Tywin want are actually pretty huge. Joffrey and Margaret give the Tyrells to the Lannisters. Cersei and Loras make that claim even tighter. Tyrion and Sansa give the Lannisters the north, though only if Robb falls. They also get to keep Sansa has a hostage against the Starks. Tywin is really fucking cunning; the guy who acts for him is an excellent actor as well.
Considering he lost half of his men, it's possible that he does fall. I hope he doesn't. I wonder how the invasion at Casterly Rock will go. That could turn out to be a trump card for the Starks if it goes through. Also Arya getting back to Robb, that's going to be pretty good.
He killed a bunch of stark important people and just think about it, if you were the bodyguard of a mad president and if you killed him on your own, would you expect people to thank you?
No I think it is normal that he dies or loses something because he has been bitching, insulting, killing whoever he wants since the beginning, I even thought it was strange it didnt happen sooner, they should have cut his balls or something a long time ago. Either way it s good soon he will die. With his sister they make a good pair of disgusting people who want to be pitied because they didnt recieve any love from their father and/or got misunderstood.
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On May 01 2013 20:07 son1dow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 19:29 Kishin2 wrote:
What was up with Pycell? Was he internationally misinforming the mad king about the loyalty of the Lannisters? He's shady as hell. Also, it's kind of ironic how Jaime served a mad king and is father to one. Unless Joffrey's insecurities escalate really badly I see no reason to compare him with the mad king... Who was truly mad. He's just a whiny teen, not mad.
Whiny teens don't force prostitutes to beat other prostitutes to death with a spiked club sir.
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On May 01 2013 08:40 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 08:36 Warri wrote:On May 01 2013 08:20 MrMercuG wrote:On May 01 2013 07:27 Whitewing wrote:On May 01 2013 07:23 ZasZ. wrote:On May 01 2013 07:08 Aegon I wrote:
Wildlings- much closer to 10k, I believe. With next to no armory except the raided material & Giants. Well, plus the inexpressive face of Jon Snow.
Dany - Don't think they have clear advantage, yet. The Unsullied are unproven, untrained in Westerosi-combat, light-armed and the Dragons are hardly hitting puberty. Say whatever you want about the Unsullied, but if they are anything it is proven. They are trained from young boys to be the perfect soldier and no nothing else. Experience in real battle isn't a factor when morale isn't a factor. Well, the real issue is how they will stack up against armored Westerosi knights and soldiers. The unsullied don't wear heavy armor and wield spears, they're basically well trained infantrymen. That will do well against untrained soldiers, but probably not so well against the knights in full plate armor. Huh? The Unsullied actually mostly use spears as their primary weapons, from what I saw in the scene where Daenarys optained them. Yes, thats what he said. Now i figure spears are pretty bad in a 1on1 close combat against a heavy armored knight with a sword. Knight sits on horse. Poke horse, Knight falls, Knight cant get up cause hes wearing full plate. Kill knight. No i would say they are decently effective against knights.
Do you REALLY think anyone would've wore armor while riding if it was hard to get up after you get knocked off?
Do you think before you type?
Medieval knights could move almost as good in armor as without armor.
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On May 01 2013 20:34 Acertos wrote:
He killed a bunch of stark important people and just think about it, if you were the bodyguard of a mad president and if you killed him on your own, would you expect people to thank you?
I would. I would expect everyone to acknowledge my contribution to saving thousands of lives and I certainly wouldn't expect to be hated for it.
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