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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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whatwhatanut
United States195 Posts
On May 01 2013 09:22 EleanorRIgby wrote: once the 3 dragons are fully matured dany wont even need an army, everyone would bow to her. Basically how the first Targs did it. Full-grown dragons are godlike. | ||
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Jophess
United States95 Posts
On May 01 2013 09:25 whatwhatanut wrote: Basically how the first Targs did it. Full-grown dragons are godlike. ...and take years to actually grow to the size they'd need to be. I don't think Dany wants to wait that long. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On May 01 2013 09:25 whatwhatanut wrote: Its not entirely accurate, though. They had a small army at their back, it wasnt just three dragons. They also fought the kingdoms separately with large amounts of men switching to their side after the first few battles. And the North just gave up all together rather than fight. I highly doubt Dany will conquer all of Westeros without an army, especially given it'll probably be united by then.Basically how the first Targs did it. Full-grown dragons are godlike. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22663 Posts
On May 01 2013 10:02 Dazed_Spy wrote: Its not entirely accurate, though. They had a small army at their back, it wasnt just three dragons. They also fought the kingdoms separately with large amounts of men switching to their side after the first few battles. And the North just gave up all together rather than fight. I highly doubt Dany will conquer all of Westeros without an army, especially given it'll probably be united by then. United. Or dead from a wildling invasion :p | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On May 01 2013 08:52 killa_robot wrote: I think the biggest issue with the Unsullied is how hot of an environment they're used to. Sure, they can STAND the cold (because of training), but they naturally won't be able to fight as effective as those who have lived in it their whole lives. At this rate Dany will probably hit Westeros as the winter comes, giving her army a severe disadvantage compared to those native of the land (IMO). In the end, she'll probably just become another player in the game of thrones, not a powerhouse that can stomp all the lands into submission like her ancestors. That being said there's no telling how many people will accept her anyway, given how the last king of her kin was. I think they would be best in an open-field where their spears are in full strenght. But they say they have 3 types of spears. For me they are like macedonians, great warrior and tacticians : ![[image loading]](http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/phalanx4.jpg) The long spear then a medium sized and a small sized. The long and medium spear for an open field, great vs anything exept against catapuls and siege weapons. The small spear and the sword they talked about for melee combats and close quarters like inside a castle. Personally I can totally see her stomping everyone and then being stopped by a sudden aliance. But anyway I would love a fight with the fire believers and the white walkers and her or something along those lines. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://wallpaper.getwall.ru/10/preview/53205.jpg) The champion of light. ![[image loading]](http://s41.radikal.ru/i092/1207/fe/122e90953abe.jpg) Daenerys and one of her dragon ![[image loading]](http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/64485_243824565758672_1817170145_n.jpg) White walkers | ||
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
On May 01 2013 07:27 Whitewing wrote: Well, the real issue is how they will stack up against armored Westerosi knights and soldiers. The unsullied don't wear heavy armor and wield spears, they're basically well trained infantrymen. That will do well against untrained soldiers, but probably not so well against the knights in full plate armor. Spear will piece a full plate a lot easier than most other weapons so that isn't the best argument. Also most armies (especially northern but even the Lannisters) are light armored infantrymen; they don't have this mass of knights flowing around. Calvary will be the unsullied's biggest weakness if they don't understand proper formation to deflect cavalry charges which may be likely since horses rather scarce in any scene outside of the seven kingdoms. | ||
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Aegon I
Canada133 Posts
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haleu
Sweden47 Posts
On May 01 2013 08:40 Gorsameth wrote: Knight sits on horse. Poke horse, Knight falls, Knight cant get up cause hes wearing full plate. Kill knight. No i would say they are decently effective against knights. A man can get up from prone or lying just fine even while wearing full plate. It's only slightly less heavy than modern military infantryman equipment. | ||
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Nub4ever
Canada1981 Posts
On May 01 2013 11:03 Hitch-22 wrote: Spear will piece a full plate a lot easier than most other weapons so that isn't the best argument. Also most armies (especially northern but even the Lannisters) are light armored infantrymen; they don't have this mass of knights flowing around. Calvary will be the unsullied's biggest weakness if they don't understand proper formation to deflect cavalry charges which may be likely since horses rather scarce in any scene outside of the seven kingdoms. I'm far from well versed in any of the lore or combat knowledge but you'd think the Unsullied / Astapor has been in some sort of contact with the Dothraki. | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On May 01 2013 11:04 Aegon I wrote: The Lord of Light strikes me as this world version's of the devil at this point. I think he's bad mojo. I wouldn't be surprised if varys sorcerrer story also wasn't LoL related. Really? Because i feel if any religion is evil based it feels like it'd be the seven. People are always talking about knowing the light of the seven, being born in the light of the seven, and then here comes rylorr lord of light being like, yo, lights my thing dawgs, what up?. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
I don't think Daenerys is going to get to the throne that easily. Either there's going to be some sort of major alliance because SHIT dragons are scary and we don't want another Mad King on the throne, or some of the powers will strike an alliance with the invaders in the hopes of backstabbing their way to the throne themselves. Lannisters can't stay on the throne forever because that wouldn't be interesting... the Tyrells taking over may be more and more obvious. You wouldn't think of it around Season 2 because they're the Hufflepuffs of Westeros. Their crest is a rose and their main guy in the story is a fairy (in the personality way, not in the gay way, although he is that too coincidentally), and they seem to be on the surface concerned more with elegance and beauty than the politics of the Iron Throne. And that turns out to be their greatest advantage as two of their best players happen to be Margaery, who is pussywhipping Joffrey more and more with each episode, and Oleanna, who is stealing the "most cunning person in Westeros" award away from Tyrion. So they're probably the immediate gainers of the Iron Throne. It would be nice to see the repercussions of this, maybe the Lannisters will form unusual alliances to oust the Tyrells... but seeing as I didn't expect the Tyrells in season 2, everything past that is moot. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On May 01 2013 11:17 PrinceXizor wrote: Really? Because i feel if any religion is evil based it feels like it'd be the seven. People are always talking about knowing the light of the seven, being born in the light of the seven, and then here comes rylorr lord of light being like, yo, lights my thing dawgs, what up?. Except when you see Melisandre using the the power of the lord of light to create shadows - which is downright creepy. Oh, and zombie bannerless brothers. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On May 01 2013 11:19 plogamer wrote: Except when you see Melisandre using the the power of the lord of light to create shadows - which is downright creepy. Oh, and zombie bannerless brothers. White walkers are much more zombie-like than ressurection. and light creates shows. its kind of the requirement for shadows. and to be completely honest melisandre just seems like a bad person overall. Where the brotherhood without banners seems a lot friendlier. and a lot better people. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On May 01 2013 11:14 LoLAdriankat wrote: While everyone's wondering how Unsullied would fair against Westerosi armies, I wonder how Dothraki's mounted archers would do. Light cavalry could probably pick knights apart if they ride better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mohi Yeah, pretty much. The Dothraki are basically dumber Mongols pre-unification, before they assimilated all the technology of China (like gunpowder). The whole choosing to follow a leader because he's stronger, light cavalry tactics, etc. They ought to dominate against infantry, and be only slightly less competent, but still superior, to heavy cavalry. Discipline is key to making sure they wouldn't get caught in a close range fight. The Unsullied haven't been shown to carry swords, as far as I can make out, but we haven't seen the supply train. Also, I'm fairly certain we haven't seen Dothraki bowmen yet either, despite that supposedly being their signature thing. Swords are important, of course, to soldiers doing the phalanx thing, because spears are powerful but infamous for shattering. The weakness at short range and unwieldiness have traditionally been mitigated by use of tight formations, as the Unsullied seem to employ. Archers are the one really scary thing though. Unlike their Greek counterparts, the Unsullied appear to wear very light armor, and their shields aren't huge either. On May 01 2013 11:21 PrinceXizor wrote: White walkers are much more zombie-like than ressurection. and light creates shows. its kind of the requirement for shadows. and to be completely honest melisandre just seems like a bad person overall. Where the brotherhood without banners seems a lot friendlier. and a lot better people. As a technical point, you're not a zombie if you were dead and brought back. You're resurrected. The idea of zombies is of bodies without souls/minds, and is in opposition to ghosts, which are souls/minds without bodies. Though it sounds like zombie is the danger you face if you die and get brought back too much in this world. | ||
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Aegon I
Canada133 Posts
1) how the hell did Qyburn return to full health so quickly? 2) was it just me or was the whole Olyvar/Baelish/Sansa thing really rushed in the edit? | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
On May 01 2013 12:27 Aegon I wrote: I have a couple of issues with the last ep: 1) how the hell did Qyburn return to full health so quickly? 2) was it just me or was the whole Olyvar/Baelish/Sansa thing really rushed in the edit? They'll explain it later on. heh. As for the Baelish/Sansa thing, yeah it felt rushed, but eh. there is gonna be a lot more story thats more important | ||
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TeePee
United States132 Posts
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