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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
April 30 2013 13:17 GMT
#14921
A thousand men defending a wall that is hundreds of feet tall is a huge difference from a few hundred men, most of whom are probably stewards like Sam. Remember at the end of season 1 Mormont said he was riding out with "all of our strength". Which if I remember correctly was around 300 men. So it seems unlikely they would have left 1,000 men or even close to that in reserve back at Castle Black. The preparations Mance would need to make to take the wall with a thousand defenders could delay him, while if he knew there was hardly any defenders then he might rush to attack in order to take advantage of the situation.
Mambo
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark1338 Posts
April 30 2013 13:26 GMT
#14922
On April 30 2013 22:15 antelope591 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 22:04 Mambo wrote:
I hope this is not a spoiler or spoiler bait. I have been watching the "History and Lore" videos on youtube, which are narrated by the actors, so I don't think they spoil anything.

What i don't understand is, what happened to the dragons between Agon the conqueror, and the rebellion against Aerys?


simply died of old age...dragons live longer but they're not immortal

Do dragons not have offspring? If not, where did Danys eggs originate from. I know she was given them, but...
Boxer | MVP | Taeja | TLO | Grubby | Bunny (danish)
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
April 30 2013 13:33 GMT
#14923
So how will the show deal with the issue that winter can last for decades? Also I hope Shae doesnt make a big deal out of the Tyrion situation because I already got enough of forced drama bullshit in Walking Dead.
Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
April 30 2013 13:34 GMT
#14924
On April 30 2013 22:33 Bowzar wrote:
So how will the show deal with the issue that winter can last for decades?


We'll have 4 snowy seasons??? What's the problem?
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1947 Posts
April 30 2013 13:38 GMT
#14925
It is never mentioned why the breeding did not give them equally-sized dragons. However, it probably has something to do with less magic. The history-lessons on season 2 dvd tell us from the cataclysm that destroyed Valyria, the old home of the dragons and the targaryens. If after that event, they only had 3 Dragons left, it might be a matter of bad breeding, maybe they just had bad genetics, maybe it's just that the "incest" amongst dragons makes them smaller. Or the loss of valyria, the inhabitants and or their dragons weakened the magic in a way, that new born dragons would degenerate. It is not explained.
awaller
Profile Joined February 2012
United States23 Posts
April 30 2013 13:38 GMT
#14926
On April 30 2013 06:36 unkkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 06:04 awaller wrote:
On April 30 2013 04:45 Aegon I wrote:
What do the the Starks say when winter is actually here?

It's been bugging me

Winter seems to be a term used to represent a time when evil is at its strongest. The White Walkers are back, and the
Kingdoms are fighting among themselves. Ned Stark is dead, Sansa and Arya are lost to their family. Jon Snow is at the Wall with the wilding's King. Catlyn has broken ranks with Rob, weakening his army. Winter is here for the Stacks.


No winter represents winter. Cold and freezing winter. Winter is pretty damn bad and the words urge you to consider that winter is eventually gonna come, so be prepared. When winter truly comes, the white walkers are gonna fuck shit up, people will starve in droves and this petty conflict they have now will mean nothing.


I agree with your literal definition of winter, but my statement is from the Starks point of view. For them
S*** is really F*** up now.

Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
April 30 2013 13:40 GMT
#14927
this episode was kinda crazy.. I think Robb is fucked, almost everyone can probably agree on that.
spaZps
Profile Joined December 2012
52 Posts
April 30 2013 14:01 GMT
#14928
On April 30 2013 22:38 Broetchenholer wrote:
It is never mentioned why the breeding did not give them equally-sized dragons. However, it probably has something to do with less magic. The history-lessons on season 2 dvd tell us from the cataclysm that destroyed Valyria, the old home of the dragons and the targaryens. If after that event, they only had 3 Dragons left, it might be a matter of bad breeding, maybe they just had bad genetics, maybe it's just that the "incest" amongst dragons makes them smaller. Or the loss of valyria, the inhabitants and or their dragons weakened the magic in a way, that new born dragons would degenerate. It is not explained.


I think they said, but not sure. The breeding didnt worked out, because those dragons had walls around them, because they werent free to roam around, they never grew.
PerryHooter
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden268 Posts
April 30 2013 14:25 GMT
#14929
Robb is starting to remind me of Arthas from the WC3 campaign, partly because he looked so tortured just after the execution. And the "he was only the watcher, hang him last so he can watch the others die" felt more like a Joffrey-line than one from Robb. He's really starting to scare me.

I like the Jaime bit though, looks like he's not pure evil like his sister and father. The douchebag-attitude he's had earlier was probably just a way of shielding himself from constantly getting hurt by being called 'Kingslayer'. I feel the Jaime-character would make more sense if it instead had been Cersei pushing Bran out the window, but I don't mind the complexity in Jaime.

On April 30 2013 13:57 Emnjay808 wrote:
Still bothers me how no one questioned Joffrey's real father. I mean, seriously, did you need to read a book to remind yourself that the line of Baratheon sons were black of hair.


The way I see it, it's not impossible for a Baratheon son (or daughter) to have anything else but black hair, it's just uncommon. Ned reading that book gave him the idea that Joffrey might not be Robert's son but Jaime's, and that coupled with the fact that it would explained how Bran fell out through the window was evidence enough for him to confront Cersei, who confirmed it. At least that works as a perfectly plausible explanation for me.
"The fundamental cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt"
Aegon I
Profile Joined April 2013
Canada133 Posts
April 30 2013 14:27 GMT
#14930
Loyalty back then was a far more personal matter. They were loyal to their Lord, to the House Kastark, to duty, to kinship etc. In a feudal system there would be actually no direct oath by them to the king so depending on the way the group dynamics work or the charisma of the Lord (and Kastark does not come over as an uncharismatic man, his followers might have seen his instability as being caused by Robb denying him justice and know the man as a leader worthy to follow).

Overall the whole loyalty business is a more fickle thing than appeals to God and country. Ser Barristan served three kings, he still is considered very honourable but obviously he never cared about any of those kings personally.
"His silvery hair was blowing in the wind, and his eyes were a deep purple, darker than this boy's"
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 15:39:14
April 30 2013 15:38 GMT
#14931
On April 30 2013 22:40 Nomzter wrote:
this episode was kinda crazy.. I think Robb is fucked, almost everyone can probably agree on that.


yep probably lol honor and justice are frowned upon in this show. T_T
Question.?
Aegon I
Profile Joined April 2013
Canada133 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 17:01:56
April 30 2013 17:01 GMT
#14932
On April 30 2013 18:40 zatic wrote:
Initially, they have 60k troops, of which Tywin and Jamie command 30k each.



Do they?
"His silvery hair was blowing in the wind, and his eyes were a deep purple, darker than this boy's"
NightOne
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada215 Posts
April 30 2013 17:31 GMT
#14933
On April 30 2013 22:02 Hier wrote:
Number of people in Castle Black does not directly correlate to the number of people actively walking around night and day, and looking for people trying to sneak in. I don't think you understand this part.



I just watched the 3rd episode of Game of Thrones (my girlfriend is getting into it so I'm re-watching the first season with her). In the 3rd episode, the Lord Commander speaks with Tyrion and tells him that there are less than 1000 men left defending/manning the walls and that Tyrion should bring word and reinforce the wall. I too was wondering the significance of the scene where Jon mentioned the number of men. There would be no significance to that scene unless Jon was lieing. This puts the character in a position where he will eventually be found out (he'll get his guts spilled if they find out he's lieing). Otherwise, there is no other significance to this scene. Re-watching the 3rd episode from season 1 only confirmed my theory.

It is likely that Jon would know that there are less than 1000 men and that most of the fighting force has marched out. Therefore, Jon is consciously lieing in an attempt to delay Mance's plans. Even though they are an infiltrating force, the number of crows manning the wall does matter. One reason it matters, as already mentioned, it delays Mance's plans to prepare for an attack on a heavier fortified wall.

Another example: Think of yourself sneaking into a village where you can be easily identified as an outsider. There might be a few lamp posts here and there that you have to sneak in and out of. The likelihood of people walking around the streets (besides those on guard) is not as likely as.. lets say a City. A city has many street lights and also a few drunks walking around. Regardless, there are more people, therefore, your chances of being detected is higher.

Anyhoo - love the series - cheers.



TotalNightmare
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Germany139 Posts
April 30 2013 18:35 GMT
#14934
I know a lot of people allready said that Robb is fucked but I just realized just HOW screwed he was, considering an army of wildlings that is as big as all the other armies in Westeros combined, probably bigger, is just about to invade his domain...
"That's like somone walking into YOUR house and putting a plant down on the table and starting to water it. While he shoots you with a gun!" - Day9
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9247 Posts
April 30 2013 18:40 GMT
#14935
On April 30 2013 22:26 Mambo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 22:15 antelope591 wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:04 Mambo wrote:
I hope this is not a spoiler or spoiler bait. I have been watching the "History and Lore" videos on youtube, which are narrated by the actors, so I don't think they spoil anything.

What i don't understand is, what happened to the dragons between Agon the conqueror, and the rebellion against Aerys?


simply died of old age...dragons live longer but they're not immortal

Do dragons not have offspring? If not, where did Danys eggs originate from. I know she was given them, but...


Wasn't it explained in season 1 when Arya was wandering around dungeons ? She found dragon skeletons there and asked someone about them.
You're now breathing manually
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
April 30 2013 18:42 GMT
#14936
On May 01 2013 03:35 TotalNightmare wrote:
I know a lot of people allready said that Robb is fucked but I just realized just HOW screwed he was, considering an army of wildlings that is as big as all the other armies in Westeros combined, probably bigger, is just about to invade his domain...


You're forgetting this is Game of Thrones and it's just as likely that a meteor comes out of the sky and destroys the entire wildling army and drops battlebots that will help Robb retake the North.
scudst0rm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1149 Posts
April 30 2013 19:19 GMT
#14937
On April 30 2013 22:26 Mambo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 22:15 antelope591 wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:04 Mambo wrote:
I hope this is not a spoiler or spoiler bait. I have been watching the "History and Lore" videos on youtube, which are narrated by the actors, so I don't think they spoil anything.

What i don't understand is, what happened to the dragons between Agon the conqueror, and the rebellion against Aerys?


simply died of old age...dragons live longer but they're not immortal

Do dragons not have offspring? If not, where did Danys eggs originate from. I know she was given them, but...


So what you're saying is.... what came first, the dragon or the egg?

In the scene with Viserys in the tub he talks about dragons he mentions that each generation was smaller than the last until the last of the dragons which were no bigger than dogs.
You're like a one ranger army comin' at me...
Zealotdriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1557 Posts
April 30 2013 19:32 GMT
#14938
You know nothing, Jon Snow.
Turn off the radio
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
April 30 2013 19:36 GMT
#14939
On May 01 2013 03:35 TotalNightmare wrote:
I know a lot of people allready said that Robb is fucked but I just realized just HOW screwed he was, considering an army of wildlings that is as big as all the other armies in Westeros combined, probably bigger, is just about to invade his domain...

Don't forget about Jon Snow though. It would seem rather likely that he will play a role in determining how the Wildlings and the Northmen interact. With the White Walkers moving and winter coming, humans might have to set aside their bullshit for a time.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
April 30 2013 19:42 GMT
#14940
Anyone else feel littlefingers voice has gotten more raspy as if forced? I mean, call me crazy and all, but it's almost annoying now to the point where I use to love his scenes to "when is this over".

Pissed there was nothing on the sorcerer in that episode.
"We all let our sword do the talking for us once in awhile I guess" - Bregor, the legendary critical striker and critical misser who triple crits 2 horses with 1 arrow but lands 3 1's in a row
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