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On April 30 2013 06:34 Poetry wrote:
I'm fairly certain they mention that Lancel was basically going "CHUG CHUG CHUG" with the wine skin
Varys also heavily implies it. Right after Ned visits Robert in his bed Varys asks who gave Robert the wine and comments on how dutiful the Lannister boy was by making sure Robert had his "refreshments" and how he hopes the lad doesn't feel guilty. It is never outright said, or specified that Cersei told Lancel to do it, but that's very likely.
And if you can consider that Cersei was planning the whole thing, it wouldn't be out of this world to imagine she had a backup plan or something. She seemed far too comfortable after Ned told her what he knew for someone whose only chances were of Robert having an acident on the hunting trip. It really doesn't feel like it was all luck.
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On April 29 2013 17:10 eviltomahawk wrote:Wow, this is my favorite episode by far, sex, gay sex (!!). The Kingslayer's amazing bathtub scene, man was that body smoking or what? Just smacking that ass...  ...Wouldn't mind riding his pole if you catch my drift 
So yeah.....
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Even with the wine though, seems like Cersei had a lot riding on Robert dying, what with Ned getting close to the truth about her children. I wonder if there was a contingency plan in case the wine didn't do him in. She didn't seem at all concerned when Ned told her he intends to tell the king when he returns from the hunt.
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Jaime's monologue was seriously one of the best parts of this show ever. His character for me this season is far and away the most insteresting (besides my hopless fanboyism over Dany). This season is just so sick, so sad when I realized it's already halfway over x.x
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On April 30 2013 06:20 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:10 revy wrote:On April 30 2013 04:45 Sub40APM wrote:On April 30 2013 04:28 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On April 30 2013 04:25 karazax wrote:On April 30 2013 04:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On April 30 2013 04:10 Zane wrote:
Jaime is right. Ned wouldn't have listened. He didn't listen to the story of the deserter who saw the White Walkers, he just executed him. Dealing in absolutes makes Starks terrible rulers. Ned Stark was a terrible ruler? He was beloved by all his vassals and ran the North perfectly fine. Ned was portrayed as one of the best rulers in the show so far (maybe you could argue Tywin or Tyrion is "better", but that's up for debate). I'd say the Starks are good rulers as long as they are completely in charge, but terrible politicians. "bad" at the Game of Thrones =p That's the nature of the game though. You can't be honorable/honest and still be good at the Game of Thrones because the very nature of the Game necessitates deception and the use of shady tactics. Playing the Game of Thrones is completely different from being a ruler though. like someone else said, they just have bad luck and the lannisters have good luck. in other words, the author went out of his way to clown the Starks. Look at all these ways: What were the odds that a boar would kill a drunken Robert, what if they didnt find a boar before Robert passed out from being drunk, came home, and Ned reports to him about the Lanisters? Thats it, gg house lanister. Isn't it said outright (or at least heavily implied) that Cersei had Robert's Lannister squire slip him a mickey and thus he died from the boar? It is? Where in the show is that mentioned?
I thought so.. but I suppose it's possible that I just assumed so because of the timing of the whole event.
Edit: Ah good, so I wasn't crazy. Finally someone who knows something! =)
On April 30 2013 06:43 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:34 Poetry wrote:
I'm fairly certain they mention that Lancel was basically going "CHUG CHUG CHUG" with the wine skin Varys also heavily implies it. Right after Ned visits Robert in his bed Varys asks who gave Robert the wine and comments on how dutiful the Lannister boy was by making sure Robert had his "refreshments" and how he hopes the lad doesn't feel guilty. It is never outright said, or specified that Cersei told Lancel to do it, but that's very likely. And if you can consider that Cersei was planning the whole thing, it wouldn't be out of this world to imagine she had a backup plan or something. She seemed far too comfortable after Ned told her what he knew for someone whose only chances were of Robert having an acident on the hunting trip. It really doesn't feel like it was all luck.
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On April 30 2013 06:17 Archers_bane wrote:
I agree on the Lord of Light being OP, I mean multiple resurrections is so imba
yarly. Lord of Light gets shit done!
Old gods? The faith of seven?
What do they do? :p
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On April 30 2013 04:24 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 04:12 serum321 wrote:On April 30 2013 03:42 Sub40APM wrote:
Loyalty seems like such a weird thing in Game of Thrones. Why would Kastark men stay loyal to their Lord if that Lord betrayed their other Lord? Youd think they'd be relieved that they were no longer commanded by a mentally unstable man. But like others said, the fact that Robb screws over a key ally for a random field medic makes all his grand standing about honor hilarious hypocritical. Not to mention his weird decision to just keep marching around down South. Go home Robb, if your men disperse then so what? The South cant invade the North, especially not in the Middle of Winter. So you already won. "Winning" would be taking Joffrey's head for taking Ned's head, it was never about becoming king and/or gaining some form of independence. Robb even says something to the effect that the war used to have purpose and now they're all just floundering around. he started the war to free his dad. once his dad was dead, his lords declared him King in the North and he took that crown. So he effectively is fighting for independence. And in fact he is effectively independent. Which is why the war part of the show is confusing right now -- there is literally no reason for the Starks not to just sit back and defend and win every battle (because the show has made it clear that Robb can defeated any combination of Lannister troops thrown at him). Well, there is one reason, the writer of the book needs to keep up with his "this is serious work because all the good guys get screwed over" theme and so Robb has to be the one that looks like he is stuck in a morass instead of the Lannisters (how is Joffrey relevant to any of the Kingdoms? Literally everyone has either declared independence or war on the king or is neutral, which is like independence!)
Well, if anything he can't stop fighting and go North because his allies and family from his mother's side are in the South. He basically has to at least fight for a draw in the South before going North, or Riverrun is fucked.
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I just realized the North is in huge danger because Jon Snow and his new friends are going to cross the wall which means a lot of raping and pillaging. It looks like Robb won't have anything to go back to soon.
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I remember some eps ago, when the onion knight was talking to stanis about how the red lady is evil, she said she could have saved the men from the wildfire but at last the onion knight didnt let her come so they lost.
At first i thought she was just lying and trying to get stanis even more on her side and remove the onion knight out of the picture. (which worked)
But after the hound fight scene and the guy being brought back to life, i'm wondering if maybe she could really have saved them all O_o if so i dont see why they cant march back to kings landing as they have unkillable soldiers (sure the priest in the hound fight, needed to say some words to bring the guy back to life) but im assuming the red lady is more powerful and plus if she could have saved like thousands of men from wildfire, i dont see why she couldnt do it on a normal battle field.
What happened with stanis's wife, (sure shes probably depressed from not being able to give sons) but shes now devoted to the lord of light, i think the redlady has brainwashed her or something.
Also what was that place where jaquen(? not sure if spelled right) told arya to go and say that phrase. Wheres that story 
Com'on arya get out and follow that path, i cant wait to see if she becomes a badass assassin.
Lastly on the talk of how many seasons we're going to have and how much of the novels (not using the b word) are left, somewhere back like 5 pages? someone said its going to be like 5 years before its close to catching up. Is any one wondering that bran, arya and all the little kids are gonna grow up and get sex scenes(especially with all this marriage talk with sansa and stuff). LOL that would be so weird
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On April 30 2013 08:15 Shock710 wrote:Also what was that place where jaquen(? not sure if spelled right) told arya to go and say that phrase. Wheres that story Com'on arya get out and follow that path, i cant wait to see if she becomes a badass assassin. Lastly on the talk of how many seasons we're going to have and how much of the novels (not using the b word) are left, somewhere back like 5 pages? someone said its going to be like 5 years before its close to catching up. Is any one wondering that bran, arya and all the little kids are gonna grow up and get sex scenes(especially with all this marriage talk with sansa and stuff). LOL that would be so weird
He told arya to seek out ANY man from braavos and say the phrase after giving them the coin.
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On April 30 2013 08:37 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 08:15 Shock710 wrote:Also what was that place where jaquen(? not sure if spelled right) told arya to go and say that phrase. Wheres that story Com'on arya get out and follow that path, i cant wait to see if she becomes a badass assassin. Lastly on the talk of how many seasons we're going to have and how much of the novels (not using the b word) are left, somewhere back like 5 pages? someone said its going to be like 5 years before its close to catching up. Is any one wondering that bran, arya and all the little kids are gonna grow up and get sex scenes(especially with all this marriage talk with sansa and stuff). LOL that would be so weird He told arya to seek out ANY man from braavos and say the phrase after giving them the coin.
Braavos, for those not keeping track, being the Free City whence came Syrio Forel, the coolest character in the entire show. Who is definitely the living incarnation of the Red God of Death.
(I think I am correct in identifying Syrio's God of Death with the Red God described by Jaquen, to whom assassination victims are "offered up.")
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On April 30 2013 08:15 Shock710 wrote:Also what was that place where jaquen(? not sure if spelled right) told arya to go and say that phrase. Wheres that story Com'on arya get out and follow that path, i cant wait to see if she becomes a badass assassin. Lastly on the talk of how many seasons we're going to have and how much of the novels (not using the b word) are left, somewhere back like 5 pages? someone said its going to be like 5 years before its close to catching up. Is any one wondering that bran, arya and all the little kids are gonna grow up and get sex scenes(especially with all this marriage talk with sansa and stuff). LOL that would be so weird
Hmmm, the show very well could catch up to the written works. This season, is a storm of swords pt 1, next season is spose t be ASOS part 2+ a little bit of feast for crows, and dance of dragons.
The wait in between Dance of dragons and feast for crows was like 5 years.
Next year will already be dipping into a dance of dragons, Assuming they get renewed for a 5th and 6th season, at the same pace it is at now. It could very easily catch up to Winds of winter.
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On April 30 2013 04:24 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 04:12 serum321 wrote:On April 30 2013 03:42 Sub40APM wrote:
Loyalty seems like such a weird thing in Game of Thrones. Why would Kastark men stay loyal to their Lord if that Lord betrayed their other Lord? Youd think they'd be relieved that they were no longer commanded by a mentally unstable man. But like others said, the fact that Robb screws over a key ally for a random field medic makes all his grand standing about honor hilarious hypocritical. Not to mention his weird decision to just keep marching around down South. Go home Robb, if your men disperse then so what? The South cant invade the North, especially not in the Middle of Winter. So you already won. "Winning" would be taking Joffrey's head for taking Ned's head, it was never about becoming king and/or gaining some form of independence. Robb even says something to the effect that the war used to have purpose and now they're all just floundering around. he started the war to free his dad. once his dad was dead, his lords declared him King in the North and he took that crown. So he effectively is fighting for independence. And in fact he is effectively independent. Which is why the war part of the show is confusing right now -- there is literally no reason for the Starks not to just sit back and defend and win every battle (because the show has made it clear that Robb can defeated any combination of Lannister troops thrown at him). Well, there is one reason, the writer of the book needs to keep up with his "this is serious work because all the good guys get screwed over" theme and so Robb has to be the one that looks like he is stuck in a morass instead of the Lannisters (how is Joffrey relevant to any of the Kingdoms? Literally everyone has either declared independence or war on the king or is neutral, which is like independence!) Neutrality is not like independence, neutrality is like neutrality. The lannisters effectively control half of Westeros [casterly rock+kings landing+storm lands now that stannis lost his army+tyrells], and if Robb backs off the Lannisters will stabilize. He will have lost a huge degree of credibility in the eyes of his bannerman-- allowing sansa to remain captured, remain in a [future] illegitimate marriage, and have totally failed in an aggressive war. The North in such conditions cant hold out against the combined might of the rest of the continent. Neutrality is entirely a political game where parties that concede they lack the actual ability [or lack the interests] to take the throne themselves, or go independent, can see who proves to be the strongest. When that happens they will come to heel. So yes, any future war for Robb will be one of the entire continent against the little old, depopulated, ravaged and humiliated north.
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At least the TV series catching up to the book may finally force GRR Martin to finish his books at least one per 3year with the added pressure.
Fantastic episode anyway.
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On April 30 2013 09:17 rezoacken wrote:
At least the TV series catching up to the book may finally force GRR Martin to finish his books at least one per 3year with the added pressure.
Fantastic episode anyway.
That's a blessing in disguise if that speed comes at the expense of quality.
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I see what you mean but 3 years for a book looks reasonable to get something good.
SoS was released 2 year after clash of kings. Is around the same length as ADwD and is considered by many as the best book. Its just after SoS that things got wrong with a book every 5years... and its not like there is a massive improvement in quality or something.
(that's not really the right thread for this but since we're just discussing release dates and no content, I guess its ok).
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Can someone please explain what is up with Shireen Barratheon's face?
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On April 30 2013 09:54 Kaien wrote:
Can someone please explain what is up with Shireen Barratheon's face?
just a skin condition
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