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On April 27 2013 05:58 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 05:50 murphs wrote:On April 27 2013 05:47 Faceroll52 wrote:
Remember that guy that was a total dick to Jon when he joined the Night's watch? I seem to remember the lord Commander sending him for King's landing with the dead hand, but I don't recall what the response was. Did we ever get one? I think they just forgot about him, it shouldn't take a full series to get from Castle Black to Kings Landing. I don't think we'll be seeing Alistair Thorne again. I would think we see him again, if you recall he was the one who let Tyrion know that the wall needed more men (you hear this in a council meeting and I believe Cersei shrugs it off). This was before the Lord Commander decided to go out into the north and bring the fight there.
That conversation was between Mormont, Maester Eamon and Tyrion. He never spoke with Thorne as far as I know.
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On April 26 2013 06:51 Skilledblob wrote:
and Tolkien always fought against the notion that LotR had been inspired by his involvement in WW1
My understanding was that he rejected the notion of it being an allegory, or specifically referring to World War II, particularly as far as Atomic Weaponry/The One Ring is concerned. However, he allowed that his experiences in WWI had an influence, and any book about a war in defense of civilization written in WWII in Britain would have a hard time not being influenced by that war.
As regards spoilers, the Psych guy is right, and this is an important technique in literature and hermaneutics, with a lot being said about the specific experiences, particularly of one's first three readings of something.
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On April 27 2013 08:10 murphs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 05:58 Hitch-22 wrote:On April 27 2013 05:50 murphs wrote:On April 27 2013 05:47 Faceroll52 wrote:
Remember that guy that was a total dick to Jon when he joined the Night's watch? I seem to remember the lord Commander sending him for King's landing with the dead hand, but I don't recall what the response was. Did we ever get one? I think they just forgot about him, it shouldn't take a full series to get from Castle Black to Kings Landing. I don't think we'll be seeing Alistair Thorne again. I would think we see him again, if you recall he was the one who let Tyrion know that the wall needed more men (you hear this in a council meeting and I believe Cersei shrugs it off). This was before the Lord Commander decided to go out into the north and bring the fight there. That conversation was between Mormont, Maester Eamon and Tyrion. He never spoke with Thorne as far as I know.
He's talking about when he sent his guy to King's Landing with the Wight Arm as proof that the White Walkers were back.
They kinda accused it of being just a regular arm with Tyrion saying he'd seen things at the wall and believed him (what he saw wasn't in any episodes of course), but didn't actually help get them more troops.
I can't remember though if he sent the guy who hated Jon or if he sent the guy that rescued Arya and later died (or maybe they went together).
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Talking about this with my mates, once Margery marries Joffrey, if he were to die, who would sit on the throne? Would it go to Margery until Joffreys brother gets older? If it does I can see the Tyrells offing Joffrey somehow to claim more power.
Also there's no way Cersei is gonna let Sansa marry Loras. Shes still technically the Lannisters 'prisoner' and bargaining chip, and losing her would mean Cersei losing more control.
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On April 27 2013 10:49 Jaramir wrote:
Talking about this with my mates, once Margery marries Joffrey, if he were to die, who would sit on the throne? Would it go to Margery until Joffreys brother gets older? If it does I can see the Tyrells offing Joffrey somehow to claim more power.
Also there's no way Cersei is gonna let Sansa marry Loras. Shes still technically the Lannisters 'prisoner' and bargaining chip, and losing her would mean Cersei losing more control.
If Joffrey were to die then the throne would go to his little brother Tommen. Stannis is third in line. After Stannis I think it would be Robert's oldest uncle's oldest son, if there is one (aka Joffreys second cousin).
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On April 27 2013 11:01 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 10:49 Jaramir wrote:
Talking about this with my mates, once Margery marries Joffrey, if he were to die, who would sit on the throne? Would it go to Margery until Joffreys brother gets older? If it does I can see the Tyrells offing Joffrey somehow to claim more power.
Also there's no way Cersei is gonna let Sansa marry Loras. Shes still technically the Lannisters 'prisoner' and bargaining chip, and losing her would mean Cersei losing more control. If Joffrey were to die then the throne would go to his little brother Tommen. Stannis is third in line. After Stannis I think it would be Robert's oldest uncle's oldest son, if there is one (aka Joffreys second cousin).
Depends on whether women can inherit the throne if they have no lawful brothers. Then Myrcella would be ahead of Stannis.
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On April 27 2013 11:05 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 11:01 hzflank wrote:On April 27 2013 10:49 Jaramir wrote:
Talking about this with my mates, once Margery marries Joffrey, if he were to die, who would sit on the throne? Would it go to Margery until Joffreys brother gets older? If it does I can see the Tyrells offing Joffrey somehow to claim more power.
Also there's no way Cersei is gonna let Sansa marry Loras. Shes still technically the Lannisters 'prisoner' and bargaining chip, and losing her would mean Cersei losing more control. If Joffrey were to die then the throne would go to his little brother Tommen. Stannis is third in line. After Stannis I think it would be Robert's oldest uncle's oldest son, if there is one (aka Joffreys second cousin). Depends on whether women can inherit the throne if they have no lawful brothers. Then Myrcella would be ahead of Stannis.
Renly says in S1 that he's 4th in line (Joffrey, Tommen, Stannis, Renly). Clearly Myrcella isn't in the running.
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at any age can a boy become king? Like joffrey was pretty young when he became king. Can a 10 year old become king?
Also why is sansa the "key to the north" if robb dies, whoever marries her will become king of the north? What about bran?
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On April 27 2013 13:22 EleanorRIgby wrote:
at any age can a boy become king? Like joffrey was pretty young when he became king. Can a 10 year old become king?
Also why is sansa the "key to the north" if robb dies, whoever marries her will become king of the north? What about bran?
Theon "killed" Bran and Rickon Stark according to everyone in the world.
And yes at any age you be can king as far as I know. When it use to happen in middle ages you would have a Regent (like a godfather) be the acting head of state till he comes of age.
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On April 27 2013 13:22 EleanorRIgby wrote:
at any age can a boy become king? Like joffrey was pretty young when he became king. Can a 10 year old become king?
Also why is sansa the "key to the north" if robb dies, whoever marries her will become king of the north? What about bran?
Bran is missing, presumed dead. Theon displayed bodies that as far as anybody knows (except now that traitor Iron Isles guy), were Bran and Rickon.
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On April 27 2013 13:26 NPF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:22 EleanorRIgby wrote:
at any age can a boy become king? Like joffrey was pretty young when he became king. Can a 10 year old become king?
Also why is sansa the "key to the north" if robb dies, whoever marries her will become king of the north? What about bran? Theon "killed" Bran and Rickon Stark according to everyone in the world. And yes at any age you be can king as far as I know. When it use to happen in middle ages you would have a Regent (like a godfather) be the acting head of state till he comes of age.
thanks
ah yes i forgot about theon and his confession to that undercover torture guy. Also i guess everyone assumes they are dead because theon killed pretty much everyone(cant even do a beheading properly, that was even more grusome then ned starks beheading). Really want to see more of his lieutenant or w/e(actor from the office uk who play chris finch lol)
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On April 27 2013 13:22 EleanorRIgby wrote:
at any age can a boy become king? Like joffrey was pretty young when he became king. Can a 10 year old become king?
Also why is sansa the "key to the north" if robb dies, whoever marries her will become king of the north? What about bran? We dont know the inheritance laws so it might be that they will be Lord of Winterfell and warden of the north. On the other hand, it might just be to tie the north [from their loyalty to the stark family beyond simply title, but reputation] to the Lannisters.
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Claims to inheritance are not absolute or indisputable. Otherwise, there would never be any wars of succession.
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Right, even if Little Finger tries to marry sansa would the people of the North actually follow him? Probably not. But I think the thing is that you still need a right to the throne for people to follow you first, so even if the Northerners don't actually follow Little Finger, with enough wealth and influence he could get his own followers.
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On April 27 2013 14:16 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:22 EleanorRIgby wrote:
at any age can a boy become king? Like joffrey was pretty young when he became king. Can a 10 year old become king?
Also why is sansa the "key to the north" if robb dies, whoever marries her will become king of the north? What about bran? We dont know the inheritance laws so it might be that they will be Lord of Winterfell and warden of the north. On the other hand, it might just be to tie the north [from their loyalty to the stark family beyond simply title, but reputation] to the Lannisters.
well we do know that you can become king, but have a lord protector make your decisions until you are old enough. That was Ned's job before the queen tore up the request and proclaimed herself queen protector.
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I believe this is the line of succession for Westeros:
1. True born sons
2. Brothers
3. Daughters until they marry. The husband becomes Lord/King
4. Bastards or uncles? I'm not sure if either are eligible.
(All from oldest to youngest)
Right now Robb is "King in the North" / Lord of Winterfell, and it's assumed that Bran & Rickon are dead, so Sansa is next in line for Winterfell, so whoever marries her becomes heir to Winterfell if Robb were to die.
If the person is too young to rule, like Joffrey, the mother/guardian holds power until he comes of age.
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On April 26 2013 06:08 Emnjay808 wrote:
Are we ever gonna get to see Sansa's tits. She is so hot. I bet she has a red strip down there too.
On a more serious note. Im rewatching Season 1. And wow, Tyrion is like my favorite character even more now. When I first started watching, I just thought they added a dwarf to the cast to add color and variety. But seriously, this character alone brings so much depth and cunning-ness to the other characters that the show would be seriously boring without him.
its like on season 2 or something idk she is just 17 =/
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On April 28 2013 01:45 Jophess wrote:
I believe this is the line of succession for Westeros:
1. True born sons
2. Brothers
3. Daughters until they marry. The husband becomes Lord/King
4. Bastards or uncles? I'm not sure if either are eligible.
(All from oldest to youngest)
Right now Robb is "King in the North" / Lord of Winterfell, and it's assumed that Bran & Rickon are dead, so Sansa is next in line for Winterfell, so whoever marries her becomes heir to Winterfell if Robb were to die.
If the person is too young to rule, like Joffrey, the mother/guardian holds power until he comes of age.
In middle age succession, you can't become the heir by marrying someone. It would be their children who inherit Winterfell. Sansa would also be the main liege that Northerners would bend the knee to since she's a direct descendant of the Stark bloodline and the First Men while Loras is a Southerner and of the Andals.
When it comes to Stark-Tyrell children, I think the oldest son inherits Winterfell and takes up the Stark surname while younger children inherit Loras Tyrell's lands.
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yeah the concept of marrying sansa and the claim to the north is that you get her pregnant asap so the child holds the title but the husband can claim to be the warden of the north in representation of the child until it comes of age.
but the concept is not that one person has "the" claim. Its more that some got a better and some got a weaker claim. To quote Varys: "Power resides where men believe it resides. No more and no less."
Your claim is just an instrument to make people believe you have the power. For example Stannis has the rightful claim to the throne because Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella are born from incest. That didnt stop people to follow Renly's claim because they thought he was more fit to rule.
In the end the winner on the field decides who is a traitor and whos not. The conflict between law and realpolitik is just one of the main themes of GoT.
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On April 28 2013 04:20 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 01:45 Jophess wrote:
I believe this is the line of succession for Westeros:
1. True born sons
2. Brothers
3. Daughters until they marry. The husband becomes Lord/King
4. Bastards or uncles? I'm not sure if either are eligible.
(All from oldest to youngest)
Right now Robb is "King in the North" / Lord of Winterfell, and it's assumed that Bran & Rickon are dead, so Sansa is next in line for Winterfell, so whoever marries her becomes heir to Winterfell if Robb were to die.
If the person is too young to rule, like Joffrey, the mother/guardian holds power until he comes of age. In middle age succession, you can't become the heir by marrying someone. It would be their children who inherit Winterfell. Sansa would also be the main liege that Northerners would bend the knee to since she's a direct descendant of the Stark bloodline and the First Men while Loras is a Southerner and of the Andals. When it comes to Stark-Tyrell children, I think the oldest son inherits Winterfell and takes up the Stark surname while younger children inherit Loras Tyrell's lands.
Bastards are not eligible at all in real life generally, but then why would they be hunted down in GoT? I assume that a bastard has just as much claim to the throne as a legitimate son in westoros. If there are no sons or daughters it moves to eldest brother of the king/queen, then thier children, then next eldest, then their children, then finally sisters, their children, ect Finaly if none can be found, it goes to eldest uncle and then repeats, his eldest son, his eldest grandson ect.
Stark-Tyrell eldest son once the parents die, as far as i am aware, would carry the title Lord of High Garden and Winterfell, ie Lord of both houses. As for the marraige, Tyrell would be Lord of the high garden and sansa would be Lady of Winterfel.
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