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Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
April 25 2013 21:51 GMT
#14481
On April 26 2013 06:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 06:08 Yoav wrote:

Hey, I love the UK. The only US-based world on the list (there's a reason for the dearth, we're worse at stories) is the least interesting and fleshed out world there. The UK invented modern fantasy, and they still do it better, and probably always will.

But fantasy means the making manifest of moral struggles. So the authors, to talk about things in a relevant way, are going to have to rely on their world. There are ways of getting around the issue of allegorizing our worldview, but I don't personally find them generally as convincing (His Dark Materials, set in our world with minor changes, for example).

Long story short, Brits rock, and their literature blows ours out of the water in every medium except film. And even then many of our best are adaptations of their stuff.


Britain isn't really Martin's world though. Martin was born in New Jersey.



yeah and apparently he is a ny jets fan.

poor thing...

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/380592-game-of-thrones-author-wants-jets-gm-fired?eref=fromSI
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Aegon I
Profile Joined April 2013
Canada133 Posts
April 25 2013 21:54 GMT
#14482
comparing Dany to Cersei for instance.

Cersei was gifted every conceivable advantage a women in Westeros could have. Wealthiest father in the land, married the King, lover with best knight in the land.

she's now in a spot where she has largely lost control of her son (the King, btw) and is in an emerging political battle with 2 women who just arrived in KL (Margaery and her grandmother). forced to beg her father to listen to her, who then tells her she's not all that.

Dany meanwhile is a teenage married off to a barbarian tribe who has no respect for him or her brother. she has nothing. she forces the leader of that tribe to respect her and he falls for her. she gets dragons gifted to her, sure, but is smart enough to reject the false help of everyone in Qarth, survives the traps there, and then has the foresight to use the dragons to gain a huge army for free (this may seem LDO as a plan, but both Selmy and Mormont were dead set against this).
"His silvery hair was blowing in the wind, and his eyes were a deep purple, darker than this boy's"
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 25 2013 21:55 GMT
#14483
On April 26 2013 06:51 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 06:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:08 Yoav wrote:

Hey, I love the UK. The only US-based world on the list (there's a reason for the dearth, we're worse at stories) is the least interesting and fleshed out world there. The UK invented modern fantasy, and they still do it better, and probably always will.

But fantasy means the making manifest of moral struggles. So the authors, to talk about things in a relevant way, are going to have to rely on their world. There are ways of getting around the issue of allegorizing our worldview, but I don't personally find them generally as convincing (His Dark Materials, set in our world with minor changes, for example).

Long story short, Brits rock, and their literature blows ours out of the water in every medium except film. And even then many of our best are adaptations of their stuff.


Britain isn't really Martin's world though. Martin was born in New Jersey.



yeah and apparently he is a ny jets fan.

poor thing...

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/380592-game-of-thrones-author-wants-jets-gm-fired?eref=fromSI

Haha, that's one explanation for why he's so cruel to his characters.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 22:03:09
April 25 2013 22:02 GMT
#14484
On April 26 2013 06:41 B1nary wrote:
I think it's pretty silly arguing over whether spoilers increase enjoyment or not when it obviously differs from person to person. I don't mind spoilers. Some people do. That's why there's 2 threads.

There's just too many story lines right now:

Jon Snow and Wildlings
Sam and nights watch
Robb and his rebellion
Arya with Robert's son and the assassins
Bran and the "Wargs"
Theon getting trolled
The stuff going on in King's landing
Jamie and Brienne
Stannis and the fire lady
Dany with her dragons

Did I miss any? On average, each story only gets ~5min of screen time per episode. I really look forward to when the different stories start interweaving more and everything comes together.


i think davos is the main character of dragonstone "arc", not stannis XD
so much shit happen to him and not much to stannis
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 26 2013 02:14 GMT
#14485
Nothing has happened to either this season really. Davos got locked up, and Stannis learned that he has erectile dysfunction so he can't spawn any more assassins
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10660 Posts
April 26 2013 02:15 GMT
#14486
So Im rewatching Season 1. And I got to the part where Arya's wolf ran away. Oh god, I will literally shed tears of joy when/if they reunite!!!
Skol
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
April 26 2013 02:23 GMT
#14487
On April 26 2013 06:55 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 06:51 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:08 Yoav wrote:

Hey, I love the UK. The only US-based world on the list (there's a reason for the dearth, we're worse at stories) is the least interesting and fleshed out world there. The UK invented modern fantasy, and they still do it better, and probably always will.

But fantasy means the making manifest of moral struggles. So the authors, to talk about things in a relevant way, are going to have to rely on their world. There are ways of getting around the issue of allegorizing our worldview, but I don't personally find them generally as convincing (His Dark Materials, set in our world with minor changes, for example).

Long story short, Brits rock, and their literature blows ours out of the water in every medium except film. And even then many of our best are adaptations of their stuff.


Britain isn't really Martin's world though. Martin was born in New Jersey.



yeah and apparently he is a ny jets fan.

poor thing...

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/380592-game-of-thrones-author-wants-jets-gm-fired?eref=fromSI

Haha, that's one explanation for why he's so cruel to his characters.

He's going to name a character Mark Sanchez and have him get killed for firing his bow into one of his own men or something.
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
Aegon I
Profile Joined April 2013
Canada133 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 02:29:30
April 26 2013 02:25 GMT
#14488
On April 26 2013 06:41 B1nary wrote:
I think it's pretty silly arguing over whether spoilers increase enjoyment or not when it obviously differs from person to person. I don't mind spoilers. Some people do. That's why there's 2 threads.

There's just too many story lines right now:

Jon Snow and Wildlings
Sam and nights watch
Robb and his rebellion
Arya with Robert's son and the assassins
Bran and the "Wargs"
Theon getting trolled
The stuff going on in King's landing
Jamie and Brienne
Stannis and the fire lady
Dany with her dragons

Did I miss any? On average, each story only gets ~5min of screen time per episode. I really look forward to when the different stories start interweaving more and everything comes together.



It´s always interweaving, what happens on one end can have consequences in the other end, it´s just that sometimes the impact is more subtle than others.

Now I can imagine the book is worse.
"His silvery hair was blowing in the wind, and his eyes were a deep purple, darker than this boy's"
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 02:32:50
April 26 2013 02:31 GMT
#14489
Also, I was watching the Dothraki hot whore with Dany's brother in the bathtub scene. She was talking about how she saw a knife made from "dragon glass" (not sure if I heard that right), a man who can change his face, and a pirate who wears his weight in gold.

So the whole dragon knife glass thing. Was that the same knife used on the attempted assassination on Bran. Not asking for spoilers, but is it a fair assumption that is the same knife she was referring to. Since it was quite obvious who the face changer and the pirate was lol.

This is a very good show to rewatch, you catch small details like these.
Skol
Devise
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1131 Posts
April 26 2013 02:34 GMT
#14490
On April 26 2013 11:31 Emnjay808 wrote:
Also, I was watching the Dothraki hot whore with Dany's brother in the bathtub scene. She was talking about how she saw a knife made from "dragon glass" (not sure if I heard that right), a man who can change his face, and a pirate who wears his weight in gold.

So the whole dragon knife glass thing. Was that the same knife used on the attempted assassination on Bran. Not asking for spoilers, but is it a fair assumption that is the same knife she was referring to. Since it was quite obvious who the face changer and the pirate was lol.

This is a very good show to rewatch, you catch small details like these.


I think that was Valaryin? steel like Ned starks sword, Jon's sword etc
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
April 26 2013 02:39 GMT
#14491
On April 26 2013 11:31 Emnjay808 wrote:

So the whole dragon knife glass thing. Was that the same knife used on the attempted assassination on Bran. Not asking for spoilers, but is it a fair assumption that is the same knife she was referring to. Since it was quite obvious who the face changer and the pirate was lol.

This is a very good show to rewatch, you catch small details like these.

this is referring to the dragon glass that Sam found at the fist of the first men, IIRC
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 02:53:31
April 26 2013 02:49 GMT
#14492
On April 26 2013 11:31 Emnjay808 wrote:
Also, I was watching the Dothraki hot whore with Dany's brother in the bathtub scene. She was talking about how she saw a knife made from "dragon glass" (not sure if I heard that right), a man who can change his face, and a pirate who wears his weight in gold.

So the whole dragon knife glass thing. Was that the same knife used on the attempted assassination on Bran. Not asking for spoilers, but is it a fair assumption that is the same knife she was referring to. Since it was quite obvious who the face changer and the pirate was lol.

This is a very good show to rewatch, you catch small details like these.


I have no idea, Valarian steel and dragon glass are 2 different things. Valarian steel is basically a super sharp sword, think of Damascus steel for all intends and puposes. Dragon glass is what Samwell, Grenn and Edd find near the Fist of the First Men according to the TV show wiki.

Source

It's under the tag The Prince of Winterfell
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 04:05:40
April 26 2013 02:53 GMT
#14493
unneeded words
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
April 26 2013 02:58 GMT
#14494
George R.R. Martin walks into a bar and
+ Show Spoiler +
NO SPOILERS : (
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
Faceroll52
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden26 Posts
April 26 2013 20:47 GMT
#14495
Remember that guy that was a total dick to Jon when he joined the Night's watch? I seem to remember the lord Commander sending him for King's landing with the dead hand, but I don't recall what the response was. Did we ever get one?
murphs
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland417 Posts
April 26 2013 20:50 GMT
#14496
On April 27 2013 05:47 Faceroll52 wrote:
Remember that guy that was a total dick to Jon when he joined the Night's watch? I seem to remember the lord Commander sending him for King's landing with the dead hand, but I don't recall what the response was. Did we ever get one?


I think they just forgot about him, it shouldn't take a full series to get from Castle Black to Kings Landing.

I don't think we'll be seeing Alistair Thorne again.
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 21:00:20
April 26 2013 20:58 GMT
#14497
On April 27 2013 05:50 murphs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 05:47 Faceroll52 wrote:
Remember that guy that was a total dick to Jon when he joined the Night's watch? I seem to remember the lord Commander sending him for King's landing with the dead hand, but I don't recall what the response was. Did we ever get one?


I think they just forgot about him, it shouldn't take a full series to get from Castle Black to Kings Landing.

I don't think we'll be seeing Alistair Thorne again.

I would think we see him again, if you recall he was the one who let Tyrion know that the wall needed more men (you hear this in a council meeting and I believe Cersei shrugs it off). This was before the Lord Commander decided to go out into the north and bring the fight there.
"We all let our sword do the talking for us once in awhile I guess" - Bregor, the legendary critical striker and critical misser who triple crits 2 horses with 1 arrow but lands 3 1's in a row
Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
April 26 2013 21:19 GMT
#14498
On April 26 2013 11:49 NPF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 11:31 Emnjay808 wrote:
Also, I was watching the Dothraki hot whore with Dany's brother in the bathtub scene. She was talking about how she saw a knife made from "dragon glass" (not sure if I heard that right), a man who can change his face, and a pirate who wears his weight in gold.

So the whole dragon knife glass thing. Was that the same knife used on the attempted assassination on Bran. Not asking for spoilers, but is it a fair assumption that is the same knife she was referring to. Since it was quite obvious who the face changer and the pirate was lol.

This is a very good show to rewatch, you catch small details like these.


I have no idea, Valarian steel and dragon glass are 2 different things. Valarian steel is basically a super sharp sword, think of Damascus steel for all intends and puposes. Dragon glass is what Samwell, Grenn and Edd find near the Fist of the First Men according to the TV show wiki.

Source

It's under the tag The Prince of Winterfell


Dragon glass is essentially obsidion i believe. So it's quite different from Valarian steel (which is what the dagger was made of).
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
pzea469
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1520 Posts
April 26 2013 21:53 GMT
#14499
There's really something to this dragon glass/obsidion. Or else why have that scene in the second season? My first reaction was that it was something better than valarian steel or maybe even more rare. Or maybe somehow it's the cryptonite for dragons lol. Though I doubt it since the Targaryens stayed in Dragon Stone for a while which is filled with dragon glass. Have no doubt that it's important somehow.

This video is from Stannis point of view. He talks about the Targaryens in Dragon Stone and and talks about how it's filled with dragon glass. He claims it's totally useless. "Too brittle for war and too sharp for building." The show has made it obvious that he's wrong though in saying it's useless. This also tells us that it's probably not that valuable.
Kill the Deathball
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 21:59:05
April 26 2013 21:58 GMT
#14500
ComicBookGirl19 started making history videos for the main families of GoT -- they're spoiler free and very well made; I suggest watchin' them:

Note: She uses NSFW language so don't watch at work or if you lose all respect to that kind of thing
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