On April 10 2013 22:47 sc4k wrote: I am genuinely surprised that it's even possible for a geek not to like GoT. I mean it's just so freaking awesome. Perhaps it's because some people just automatically dislike popular things.
Not everyone agrees on everything but that must me the dumbest argument thrown on that thread for quite a while. To make things clear:
You're a geek and you like GOT = GOT is awesome = all geeks should like GOT ...
Can I pee one last time before you try to chop my dick off?? Or can I still choose where and when it will be used??
Edit: and I love that fucking show but it doesn't mean I shouldn't make a critical analysis of it ...
His argument isn't as bad as you think. There are usually more people who dislike something than people who automatically likes it because its popular. These are the type of people the rest of us likes to refer to as hipsters.
Now disliking GoT certainly doesn't make you a hipster. But disliking it because its popular does. And when you troll around in a thread for a show you dislike and have stopped watching, and start acting like you know better and being arrogant about it, you certainly do come across as a hipster.
edit: and by "you" I don't mean you specifically. I actually meant someone else..specifically..
"There are usually more people who dislike something than people who automatically likes it because its popular."
Should I just accept that as a fact too? Do you have anything to back this up? Looks to me like you are doing the same thing the guy I previously quoted did: taking your personnal opinion and considering that since you had a few experience going your away it should be considered as fact.
I don't want to engage into arguments with everyone but the amount of generalization on this thread is appalling. I read "this" or "that" being facts all the time with absolutely nothing to back it up ... just people claiming their observations are general facts everyone should believe. If that's the way the thread works I surely missed something (and I don't recall it being like this a year ago), but I'd rather read some critical opinions on the show or some guessing of what's going to happen than the everlasting "too much nudity" debate and generalizations of what geeks should or shouldn't like (considering the word "geek" still even means something).
I love how you completely ignored my whole post to twerp on that one thing that may or may not be a fact. Even if that one "fact" is wrong, that doesn't really detract from the rest of my statement. (Just for the record, I have no idea. I heard it somewhere else. It might not be true. But there is a FACT that people WILL dislike something because its unpopular, whetever its good or bad)
I didn't ignore it but your whole argument is based on the idea that "people WIIL dislike smething because it's popular" (people you refer to as hipsters) ... I don't agree nor think what you say is true ... therefore there's no point answering to the rest. Don't take as a personnal agression that I don't agree with you and explain why. People get way too upset when someone disagrees with them and has a logical explanation to it (not saying I'm necesseraly right)
Back on topic:
Like someone said before, we had hints pointing at Bran's relation to animals several times in the previous seasons and Osha basically said that people with much weirder "powers" or "capacities" than what is known to peoples of Westeros, live way up North. I'm actually happy we get to see all this finally taking shape in this episode (giant, wargs and display of their powers etc ...).
On April 10 2013 23:44 Redox wrote: Please guys could you stop feeding the troll? We should get this thread back on track.
Getting the thread back on track!
Did the Reeds appearance feel jarring to you guys? They kind of just showed up without warning - it felt very uneven. They also could have done better with foreshadowing when it comes to wargs.
They forshadowed it for two entire seasons, we have seen Bran enter Summers mind in his dreams, and he saw his fathers death along with the greyjoys taking winterfell in his dreams aswell. We have seen it before, they just gave it a name in this episode.
On April 10 2013 22:06 corumjhaelen wrote: [quote] Oh yeah I forgot, never criticize what others like because that would spoil the mood ! There is 650 pages to this thread, almost of all them are circlej... positive discussion about the show. I think speaking about its most glaring flaws isn't such a bad thing. And don't worry for me, I find largely enough movies to watch for my enjoyment.
Why do you watch the show if you don't like it?
I've watched only the first season.
I honestly don't understand the urge to participate in threads about shows that you don't like and don't even watch anymore..
I just thought the debate on nudity was interesting. Don't worry, I'll be gone in a few pages and your world will remained untroubled. Edit : And I also happen to believe in the confrontation of opinion. Terrible, I know.
Could you confront others with your opinion in a less arrogant way, then? There's nothing wrong with the opinion itself, and as I said above, I certainly agree that GoT shows sex and violence just to show sex and violence. It's the sense of superiority that you throw around that's getting on people's nerves.
I'll try, but people's reactions are not helping either...
On April 10 2013 22:35 Redox wrote:
On April 10 2013 22:32 corumjhaelen wrote:
On April 10 2013 22:26 Redox wrote:
On April 10 2013 21:59 corumjhaelen wrote: Yeah, definitely, only the others watch it for the gratuitous violence and nudity. But you, you're smarter than that, you watch it for the awesome view of politics it contain or something. Obviously.
The people that watch this show for violence and nudity have to be a very small minority. Personally I could not care less about it. Also your opinions are so far off, I have the feeling you are just trolling.
Nobody will admit that, even for itself. Personnally I think it's the most glaring evidence of the show's immaturity, just behind the title.
Oh well so you are trolling. Thanks for wasting everyones time.
I'm not, why are people so intent on believing I am ?
On April 10 2013 22:47 sc4k wrote: I am genuinely surprised that it's even possible for a geek not to like GoT. I mean it's just so freaking awesome. Perhaps it's because some people just automatically dislike popular things.
So geeks who don't like it are hipsters or something ? I don't think you should so easily dismiss the opinion you disagree with.
I love this show for the writing/production quality as I'm sure many others do. If I wanted tits and violence I'd just watch Spartacus. If you don't like GoT maybe it's just not your genre? Do you find fantasy in general to be too immature?
I was annoyed at the people denying the gratuitous nudity and violence, not really at sc4k, who seems to be critical of the show, so I'm happy to disagree with him As for fantasy... As a written genre, I'm not a huge client, but I've read some from time to time, and well, it's not what I like most but I don't hate it either. And I hold Tolkien in pretty high estime, I've read him plenty... As a movie genre, I must say that I'm far more suspicious, I haven't really seen a fantasy movie that convinced me (I don't like Jackson's work very much).
On April 10 2013 22:55 sc4k wrote: This is basically my approach to the show. Some of the violence is mildly interesting but it is still completely secondary to the three most important things: actors, dialogue, plot.
And this show feeds the viewer a strict diet of awesome.
As i said above, I don't dislike your attitude specifically. If you allow me to develop, here's my opinion on what you like the most : actors are indeed pretty good. Dialogue is okayish. Plot doesn't work for me, for various reason. One of them is that it's a very shallow view of politics. Another is that character development is very unequal, and overall way worst than in the books. Finally, I think Martin's idea of one-chapter-per-character works well in his book, but very badly in a tv one hour format. Instead of making each change of view work as a cliffhanger, which was a good way to make even bad chapters enjoyable for you wanted very bad the next, let's say Tyrion chapter, here you just have a unsolved puzzle, a succession of unlinked pieces which tends to show the weakness of the plot rather than hide them.
All that to say, that no, I'm not trolling, I'm not a hipster, I have my reasons for disliking GoT, so huge thanks to the people insisting I must be a troll or a hipster for disagreeing with them, you're the salt of the earth.
how can you tell people you have your own reasons and your opinion shouldn't be dismissed while also posting
On April 10 2013 21:59 corumjhaelen wrote: Yeah, definitely, only the others watch it for the gratuitous violence and nudity. But you, you're smarter than that, you watch it for the awesome view of politics it contain or something. Obviously.
people go to troll because it's easier to believe than hypocrite.
well i think it was done pretty neatly. I seemed legit to me. They have given hints of Brans superpowers since season 1. Now the guy that knows what his quest has to be just showed up. I can agree it was kinda random for an encounter but I dont see how Brans plot can work w/o them or how it couldve been relevant to show them before.
I usually sighed when he had scenes but last week I thought he had the most interesting developments.
I did feel a little depressed on Tyrion's behalf for the way Tywin treated him. He initially seemed to be quite approving of Tyrion's sensibility and brain, when he told him to be hand of the king to Joffre. But then when they talked this season he was extremely nasty, even though in reality Tyrion seemed to be the reason King's Landing wasn't overrun. Quite a lot of the plot in this show is actually quite depressing isn't it lol.
On April 10 2013 23:44 Redox wrote: Please guys could you stop feeding the troll? We should get this thread back on track.
Getting the thread back on track!
Did the Reeds appearance feel jarring to you guys? They kind of just showed up without warning - it felt very uneven. They also could have done better with foreshadowing when it comes to wargs.
They forshadowed it for two entire seasons, we have seen Bran enter Summers mind in his dreams, and he saw his fathers death along with the greyjoys taking winterfell in his dreams aswell. We have seen it before, they just gave it a name in this episode.
They foreshadowed Bran having prophetic dreams not controlling animals purposefully.
That being said, I think Jojen is extremely well cast.
offtopic: how are you guys so good with names. I barely can remember any of them, especially after a long break. Once you start remembering someone's name - he dies and BAM - you have 5 new names to remember.
On April 11 2013 00:45 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: offtopic: how are you guys so good with names. I barely can remember any of them, especially after a long break. Once you start remembering someone's name - he dies and BAM - you have 5 new names to remember.
My brother watched the show with subtitles especially to solve this problem.
On April 11 2013 00:45 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: offtopic: how are you guys so good with names. I barely can remember any of them, especially after a long break. Once you start remembering someone's name - he dies and BAM - you have 5 new names to remember.
Subtitles and depends on your "type" of memory. I have the kind of photo memory where you tell me something and I associate it with pictures (which is good for remmbering names and faces they go with, but not so good for other stuff ...).
On April 11 2013 00:05 sc4k wrote: I did feel a little depressed on Tyrion's behalf for the way Tywin treated him. He initially seemed to be quite approving of Tyrion's sensibility and brain, when he told him to be hand of the king to Joffre. But then when they talked this season he was extremely nasty, even though in reality Tyrion seemed to be the reason King's Landing wasn't overrun. Quite a lot of the plot in this show is actually quite depressing isn't it lol.
well as he said in his monologue, as a lanister he will be given certain roles and benefits that suit his name, it wouldnt be proper for someone else to be hand of the king in that situation no matter tywins opinion of tyrion. but he still blames him for the death of his wife so he will not be giving him a foot up beyond that. even though tywin doesnt love him, the strick codes of conduct for 'proper familes' dictates certain things.
On April 11 2013 00:45 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: offtopic: how are you guys so good with names. I barely can remember any of them, especially after a long break. Once you start remembering someone's name - he dies and BAM - you have 5 new names to remember.
When you've watched each epsiode a minimum of three times, watched all the commentaries, read the books... You kind of get a handle on who's who. #addicted?
On April 11 2013 00:45 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: offtopic: how are you guys so good with names. I barely can remember any of them, especially after a long break. Once you start remembering someone's name - he dies and BAM - you have 5 new names to remember.
When you've watched each epsiode a minimum of three times, watched all the commentaries, read the books... You kind of get a handle on who's who. #addicted?
Yeah for the fans its really easy (even more for book readers), for the casual viewer its quite hard. For example a friend of mine had no idea who this Theon guy was when he travelled to his father in the beginning of season 2. He swore he had never seen him before, although he had watched season 1 only a week before. The producers at least tried to reduce the number of characters compared to the books but its still a lot..
On April 11 2013 00:45 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: offtopic: how are you guys so good with names. I barely can remember any of them, especially after a long break. Once you start remembering someone's name - he dies and BAM - you have 5 new names to remember.
When you've watched each epsiode a minimum of three times, watched all the commentaries, read the books... You kind of get a handle on who's who. #addicted?
Yeah for the fans its really easy (even more for book readers), for the casual viewer its quite hard. For example a friend of mine had no idea who this Theon guy was when he travelled to his father in the beginning of season 2. He swore he had never seen him before, although he had watched season 1 only a week before. The producers at least tried to reduce the number of characters compared to the books but its still a lot..
Yeah, 10+ simultaneous story lines is kind of a lot to handle for casual people. The characters are all living for so long... its kind of weird.
On April 10 2013 23:51 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: btw did they first introduce the wargs? i don't remember from prevous episodes them talking about them, and now boom! very nice turn of events for the injured kid.
They've been mentioned before. Bran definitely talked about it with Lewin before. He told him he's been having dreams about being a wolf and that he's heard stories of people who could get inside the minds of animals. Lewin tells him that they may have existed but they're gone from this world, including giants and the children of the forest.
On April 11 2013 17:00 BobMcJohnson wrote: I'm surprised nobody talks about the Joffrey/Maegery(spelling?) scene, what the fuck is she playing with him...
This is 100% going to end up with Joffrey forcing her to kill Loras with the crossbow to prove her "loyalty" towards him :x
That was my favorite scene. She's sexy and seemingly twisted, though I admire her for perhaps knowing truly how to play the game of thrones. Does that make me sick? lol.
On April 11 2013 17:00 BobMcJohnson wrote: I'm surprised nobody talks about the Joffrey/Maegery(spelling?) scene, what the fuck is she playing with him...
This is 100% going to end up with Joffrey forcing her to kill Loras with the crossbow to prove her "loyalty" towards him :x
I think that scene was trying to convey on how much of a mastermind Margery is. She would have Joffrey on the palm of her hand, that is, unless we're in for more surprises from Joffrey himself.
On April 11 2013 17:00 BobMcJohnson wrote: I'm surprised nobody talks about the Joffrey/Maegery(spelling?) scene, what the fuck is she playing with him...
This is 100% going to end up with Joffrey forcing her to kill Loras with the crossbow to prove her "loyalty" towards him :x
I think that scene was trying to convey on how much of a mastermind Margery is. She would have Joffrey on the palm of her hand, that is, unless we're in for more surprises from Joffrey himself.
I feel like this shows that the Tyrell women are the ones that run the show in their house. It backs up their attitude in the meeting with Sansa. It doesn't matter if he's a nutjob, they know how to handle it. Though now he's a confirmed sicko, they can handle it properly.
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