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On April 09 2013 23:36 Okee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 23:14 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 09 2013 23:03 Sandster wrote:
Remember most people don't know how good of a swordswoman Brienne really is, and think she's just a giant woman. Jaime hasn't held as word in over a year for probably the first time in his life, so he had no idea what he was getting himself into. Exactly - he was arrogant and underestimated Brienne. That could definitely be one reason, but I also think he's kind of toying with her and her emotions, as well as testing her and seeing how she reacts. Also, I don't really see why he wouldn't take the chance to test her skills in a swordfight when he could - he knows she can't hurt him or the deal would be off so why not take the chance and test her skills and techniques for when he gets a better chance?
I don't know how much weight should be placed on special features but the actor playing Jamie said that his character thought he could take the fight despite his disadvantages, since she is a woman. He is then surprised that he isn't able to and also that she doesn't kill him.
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On April 09 2013 23:57 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 23:36 Okee wrote:On April 09 2013 23:14 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 09 2013 23:03 Sandster wrote:
Remember most people don't know how good of a swordswoman Brienne really is, and think she's just a giant woman. Jaime hasn't held as word in over a year for probably the first time in his life, so he had no idea what he was getting himself into. Exactly - he was arrogant and underestimated Brienne. That could definitely be one reason, but I also think he's kind of toying with her and her emotions, as well as testing her and seeing how she reacts. Also, I don't really see why he wouldn't take the chance to test her skills in a swordfight when he could - he knows she can't hurt him or the deal would be off so why not take the chance and test her skills and techniques for when he gets a better chance? I don't know how much weight should be placed on special features but the actor playing Jamie said that his character thought he could take the fight despite his disadvantages, since she is a woman. He is then surprised that he isn't able to and also that she doesn't kill him.
This all makes sense to me from the POV of Jamie Lannister. The character is arrogant but also kind of lucid about his situation and what he did (EG. when he says he's not judging Brienne for who she might love, or long ago, when his father asked him if it didn't bother him to be called "Kingslayer" etc...). Some could argue that with all the questionning and trash talk he's been through, he kind of gave up on life. He's not trying to die at all but he defintely takes life much more lightly now than he did in the first season.
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On April 10 2013 00:11 Emix_Squall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 23:57 rastaban wrote:On April 09 2013 23:36 Okee wrote:On April 09 2013 23:14 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 09 2013 23:03 Sandster wrote:
Remember most people don't know how good of a swordswoman Brienne really is, and think she's just a giant woman. Jaime hasn't held as word in over a year for probably the first time in his life, so he had no idea what he was getting himself into. Exactly - he was arrogant and underestimated Brienne. That could definitely be one reason, but I also think he's kind of toying with her and her emotions, as well as testing her and seeing how she reacts. Also, I don't really see why he wouldn't take the chance to test her skills in a swordfight when he could - he knows she can't hurt him or the deal would be off so why not take the chance and test her skills and techniques for when he gets a better chance? I don't know how much weight should be placed on special features but the actor playing Jamie said that his character thought he could take the fight despite his disadvantages, since she is a woman. He is then surprised that he isn't able to and also that she doesn't kill him. This all makes sense to me from the POV of Jamie Lannister. The character is arrogant but also kind of lucid about his situation and what he did (EG. when he says he's not judging Brienne for who she might love, or long ago, when his father asked him if it didn't bother him to be called "Kingslayer" etc...). Some could argue that with all the questionning and trash talk he's been through, he kind of gave up on life. He's not trying to die at all but he defintely takes life much more lightly now than he did in the first season.
I would say he already didnt give a fuck in season 1. How he handled the Ned Stark situation is an example for this.
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He didn't give much fuck I agree but I think he started to give negative fuck from the point he got captured the second time (after he tried to escape by killing the lad and the guard).
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Why does jaime try to escape Brienne? Simple, negotiation terms. If he brings himself to Kings landing there is no reason to release the stark girls (no trade). If Brienne does, they SHOULD trade or be dishonorable. They probably would still be dishonorable but then at least people would know the Lannisters where dishonorable.
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So your point is Jaime wants everyone to know how dishonorable his family is?
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On April 09 2013 23:14 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 23:03 Sandster wrote:
Remember most people don't know how good of a swordswoman Brienne really is, and think she's just a giant woman. Jaime hasn't held as word in over a year for probably the first time in his life, so he had no idea what he was getting himself into. Exactly - he was arrogant and underestimated Brienne.
I'd also think he overestimated himself more than anything. Doing any sort of activity after a long period of not doing it (particularly a physical one after being shackled and unmoving) can shock you at how much you've atrophied. I picture Jaime as never having gone through a period like that, having been a knight for a long time.
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I feel like a total idiot, I watched the episode last night and I've been thinking and still don't get it. Who is that boy and girl that found/rudely introduced themselves to Bran? And why are they traveling together now?
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On April 10 2013 01:18 VirtuallyJesse wrote:
I feel like a total idiot, I watched the episode last night and I've been thinking and still don't get it. Who is that boy and girl that found/rudely introduced themselves to Bran? And why are they traveling together now?
Not your fault, they are new characters. The boy saw Bran in his dreams or something.
I thought overall the last episode was probably quite confusing to people that havent read the books and generally watch more casually.
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This boy and girl are sons and daughters of a former ally of Ned Stark. The kids talk about it and Bran even say they (their fathers) met during the rebellion (to which the other kid replies his father never talked to him about the rebellion).
Basically the boy would be a Warg too from what I understand, Warg's being people that can kind of "communicate" with animal's spirits and see through their eyes. But there is more to it as the new boy explains to Bran, it seems that they can also learn to control their power to the point whre they can see past and future events as if they were there, even current event taking places far away.
The girls is his sister and she just stays with him to handle the fighting part (from what we know of them at this point)
EDIT: I didn't read the book so all I say here is from what I understand of the episode and some might not be exactly true. But I think I got the basic idea of who they are and what they are doing with Bran.
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Anyone else that thought the whole things with Wargs was a little rushed? i feel like they could have introduced them in 1 or 2 episodes before instead of just rushing trough that they exist and then have bran be discovered as one in the same episode.
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On April 10 2013 01:18 VirtuallyJesse wrote:
I feel like a total idiot, I watched the episode last night and I've been thinking and still don't get it. Who is that boy and girl that found/rudely introduced themselves to Bran? And why are they traveling together now?
We don't really know other than those two are having dreams about each others lives among other things. It seems Bran has magical capabilities that we don't fully understand yet, just give it a episode or two and I'm sure they will provide more details. (Squall said it better than I did). To respond to Squall, are you sure they can see the future though? I agree on maybe seeing past events but even then I don't even fully believe that yet. The Warg in the North seemed like a very well trained one and it didn't seem like he had any of those "future" seeing powers, he was only able to master the skill of seeing through animals eyes where and when he wanted to. On the other hand, Bran is still only able to do it when he loses control of his mind.... aka when he is sleeping.
@ the posts above about why would Jaime try and flee. He doesn't want to show up in cuffs looking like a rag tag bum when he holds probably the most prideful, honorable family name among the kingdoms. Being that they base their whole image on being portrayed a certain way, could you even picture what Tywin would do if his son showed up looking like that in front of the common people.... The guy would probably lose his shit not only on the people that captured his son but also Jaime for damaging the family name. The whole thing about these families is keeping up a perfect image in front of the common people.
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On April 10 2013 01:18 VirtuallyJesse wrote:
I feel like a total idiot, I watched the episode last night and I've been thinking and still don't get it. Who is that boy and girl that found/rudely introduced themselves to Bran? And why are they traveling together now?
Yeah the introduction was somehow abrupt and out of the blue. Without really revealing anything: In the books they are introduced somewhat early and there is a nicer transition there. What I have to say for season three as of now I do not know how they will play it out, because the differences from book to the show are growing. I am really interrested to see this 
I am also please by the spacial effects espacially of the magical creatures. You still know and see that it is animated, but I really like and enjoy the effort that they put into them to make them as good as possible with a budget of a show.
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On April 10 2013 01:38 Holy_AT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 01:18 VirtuallyJesse wrote:
I feel like a total idiot, I watched the episode last night and I've been thinking and still don't get it. Who is that boy and girl that found/rudely introduced themselves to Bran? And why are they traveling together now? Yeah the introduction was somehow abrupt and out of the blue. Without really revealing anything: In the books they are introduced somewhat early and there is a nicer transition there. What I have to say for season three as of now I do not know how they will play it out, because the differences from book to the show are growing. I am really interrested to see this I am also please by the spacial effects espacially of the magical creatures. You still know and see that it is animated, but I really like and enjoy the effort that they put into them to make them as good as possible with a budget of a show.
I dunno, for me it kinda works, the whole Bran story line is the most, how should i say, mysthical/enigmatic (deams, warging and stuff)? So it works out if his new companions are enigmatic/strange as well.
About the direwolves, i think they filmed real wolves and magnified them ~150%.
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On April 10 2013 01:27 RespectTheNerd wrote:
Anyone else that thought the whole things with Wargs was a little rushed? i feel like they could have introduced them in 1 or 2 episodes before instead of just rushing trough that they exist and then have bran be discovered as one in the same episode.
Brans storyline since season one is about being able to communicate with his wolf. They just gave it a name now. I dont really get why you think this is rushed
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thank you for your contribution Kind of you
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On April 10 2013 01:49 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 01:27 RespectTheNerd wrote:
Anyone else that thought the whole things with Wargs was a little rushed? i feel like they could have introduced them in 1 or 2 episodes before instead of just rushing trough that they exist and then have bran be discovered as one in the same episode. Brans storyline since season one is about being able to communicate with his wolf. They just gave it a name now. I dont really get why you think this is rushed
Hmm, well maybe it's just me but the whole "Bran can communicate with animails" part was completely lost on me. Obvioulsy I knew something was up with the raven, and he had a strong bond with his wolf. But for me the "yeah people can control animals" part really fell out of the sky.
Of course thats what I enjoy a lot too, I don't knw this world so every now and again something catches me completely off guard. Like that fact that there are real dragons, or the shadow asassin thingy.
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Enjoying the first two episodes of this season, although I was annoyed by the ginger haired girl who captured Jon Snow saying 'What, you've never seen x before?' regarding the giants and wargs. If she says it one more fucking time...lol.
Also, it's funny how there are now so many storylines that they have to spread them over two episodes to actually cover everyone's progress. Still, I'm on tentahooks to find out how they all turn out, and I can't really say anyone's story is particularly bad. Although I don't enjoy watching Sansa muddle her way through 50 shades of grief. I swear someone could come up to her and offer her a scone and she would spend about 10 seconds staring blankly until she gathered the courage to say something like 'have you got any jam?'
Speaking of 50 shades, pleased that they didn't have too much boobage so far in Season 3. Maybe some focus groups with taste have been consulted. I still feel compelled to warn people about the clumsy addition of teenage road-movie level nudity when I tell them to watch the show. But at least it seems like it MIGHT be getting better.
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I think Jaime less underestimated Brienne than he underestimated the poverty of his own physical condition. He was huffing and puffing basically the second he pulled out the sword [if not before]. I personally dont doubt he would of killed her rather easily if he was anything resembling fit.On April 10 2013 01:18 VirtuallyJesse wrote:
I feel like a total idiot, I watched the episode last night and I've been thinking and still don't get it. Who is that boy and girl that found/rudely introduced themselves to Bran? And why are they traveling together now? I think hes suppose to be the son of one of starks bannermen, and hes a warg or w/e as well, and for some reason saw Bran in his dreams/visions and decided to seek him out.
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dat 2 fat kids are seriously slowing the show down. Especially the polar one.
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