EPTOn April 10 2013 18:58 sc4k wrote:
Nudity is taboo. Violence is not taboo
Nudity is taboo. Violence is not taboo
And that, in a nutshell, is the problem.
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Germany2516 Posts
And that, in a nutshell, is the problem. | ||
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
Exactly. I think in Sweden there is a better understanding of this. Movies with nudity are allowed from the age of 7, while violent movies are allowed from the age of 15. Sex is natural and healthy. Murdering someone is a bit worse don't you think? | ||
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Xayoz
Estonia373 Posts
On April 10 2013 18:58 sc4k wrote: I still find it uncomfortable though. Actual boobs belong in porn. Dicks in vaginas belong in porn. Sloppy 10 second gay blowjob scenes belong in gay porn. I get what George is saying, but I completely disagree. Nudity is taboo. Violence is not taboo, it's just illegal. Putting taboo things on a TV show immediately forces people recommending it to preface it. Unless you are recommending it to a male teenager, you will have to say 'yeah just ignore the nudity, the show isn't like that all the way through, it only has like one scene an episode'. Well. I can only be glad there are less and less people in the new generations, who think like you. On the 'male teenagers' part - entertainingly, the biggest fans of GoT and Spartacus I know of, are all in fact females in their mid 20's. | ||
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Bash
Finland1533 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 10 2013 19:33 Thor.Rush wrote: Exactly. I think in Sweden there is a better understanding of this. Movies with nudity are allowed from the age of 7, while violent movies are allowed from the age of 15. Sex is natural and healthy. Murdering someone is a bit worse don't you think? that s one way to look at it. Another is that war and soldiers killing each other are distant and pretty much cannot be experienced by most people, nor do they want to suffer it on their own skin. While sex and nudity is a base desire/ demand. So if you watch a show to satisfy your base desires or to experience/watch something you otherwise wouldnt, i think there's a difference. not that im complaining about either, but i get both sides of this argument, i dont think it's that obvious. For me it's more like, "does it make sense/ does it drive the story forward" to have this kill or this sex scene. When Stannis chops a soldier in half, i couldnt care less if they left that one out, Ned's beheading or Bronn's duel and such make the show awesome. While the sex scenes rarely are there to advance the story/deepen characters (one counter example is obviously Jaime-Cercei at Winterfell and there are others i guess) the rest is just there for eye-candy. | ||
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On April 10 2013 19:33 Thor.Rush wrote: Exactly. I think in Sweden there is a better understanding of this. Movies with nudity are allowed from the age of 7, while violent movies are allowed from the age of 15. Sex is natural and healthy. Murdering someone is a bit worse don't you think? there are a shocking number of Americans who would be inclined to disagree. I'm glad to say I'm not one of them. | ||
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
As for the sex scenes, most of them are eye candy, but also 'realistically' play into the atmosphere of the story. Without it, there would be a definitive lack of authenticity in this epic tale. | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
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Appendix
Sweden979 Posts
On April 10 2013 20:50 Thor.Rush wrote: As for the sex scenes, most of them are eye candy, but also 'realistically' play into the atmosphere of the story. Without it, there would be a definitive lack of authenticity in this epic tale. No there wouldn't be any lack of authenticity if they removed much of the irrelevant sex and nudity. I get showing some of who Littlefinger is by having him tutor his new whores riding each other, but having multiple long scenes with it just brings tackiness. Shying away from nudity is silly, typical to the Hollywood "lets have sex with our underwear on"-scenes, but as argued having it for the sake of having it drags the impression down. I'd rather have it like this than totally censored, but there is some lack of balance to it in GoT. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On April 10 2013 21:03 Emix_Squall wrote: AS there been a sex scene in the last episode for this debate to come once more? .... it's getting annoying to ALWAYS have the same debates here ... Don't tell me some people managed to complain about the 5 sec, off-camera, suggested only, Shae blowjob to Tyrion ... That was far closer to what I consider acceptable than the sloppy gay blowjob that lasted like 10 seconds I think in season 2 right? So yeah, as I said, seems like they are trying to be a bit more classy about it!! Actually the other thing my gf just mentioned is that it's kind of embarrassing to watch with other people around ie family, on a train, out and about in general. It just adds unnecessary awkwardness. And for all the people saying 'it's realistic to have sex in the show, we all have sex don't we?' that's a retarded argument. We all shit, do you want to spend 5 minutes an episode watching Jaime blast a particularly hefty dookie? | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10979 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On April 10 2013 21:05 sc4k wrote: That was far closer to what I consider acceptable than the sloppy gay blowjob that lasted like 10 seconds I think in season 2 right? So yeah, as I said, seems like they are trying to be a bit more classy about it!! Actually the other thing my gf just mentioned is that it's kind of embarrassing to watch with other people around ie family, on a train, out and about in general. It just adds unnecessary awkwardness. And for all the people saying 'it's realistic to have sex in the show, we all have sex don't we?' that's a retarded argument. We all shit, do you want to spend 5 minutes an episode watching Jaime blast a particularly hefty dookie? Again Spartacus comes to mind. Early in the show, you can see someone taking a dump (you don't actually see anything, of course, you just see him sit down and then get back up a bit later). But why is this taboo? They act it out like its the most normal thing in the world..because it is! I'm not saying every movie needs a "dump" scene in it, but sometimes it can be a nice touch to enrich the atmosphere (back to spartacus, the reason it works there is because it shows 1. Men don't really care about nudity of other men, they are fairly sure on their own sexuality, unlike a lot of modern audience, and 2. It shows the way common slaves are treated (I don't remember if they actually had to wipe, but I wouldn't doubt it)). So you see, even something as simple and "taboo" as a dump scene can enrich the experience. So imagine what a sex scene can do. I do completely agree that there are a couple unneeded sex scenes in GoT, just like there are a couple unneeded violence scenes and boring drama scenes. But there are also a lot which really enriches the story and atmosphere, and that is important. Which is why I believe Hollywood is missing out some really important storytelling elements by simply ignoring these. edit: By clarifying what I mean with people not sure on their own sexuality: Remember Amnesia a while back? Remember the outcry of the violence? No? Me neither. There wasn't any. Remember the outcry of the naked penis on a dead corpse around 80% into the game? Yeah, there was some really pissed off people. For some its apparently completely ok to watch and listen to torture, but the second a penis comes into the picture, it's taboo! | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
On April 10 2013 19:33 Thor.Rush wrote: Exactly. I think in Sweden there is a better understanding of this. Movies with nudity are allowed from the age of 7, while violent movies are allowed from the age of 15. Sex is natural and healthy. Murdering someone is a bit worse don't you think? lol not in 'murica. It's funny because I fully see the logic in your argument but I guess I'm just brainwashed to be OK with violence in films but not nudity, haha. | ||
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AbuseYouMerc
Netherlands171 Posts
On April 10 2013 21:05 sc4k wrote: That was far closer to what I consider acceptable than the sloppy gay blowjob that lasted like 10 seconds I think in season 2 right? So yeah, as I said, seems like they are trying to be a bit more classy about it!! Actually the other thing my gf just mentioned is that it's kind of embarrassing to watch with other people around ie family, on a train, out and about in general. It just adds unnecessary awkwardness. And for all the people saying 'it's realistic to have sex in the show, we all have sex don't we?' that's a retarded argument. We all shit, do you want to spend 5 minutes an episode watching Jaime blast a particularly hefty dookie? Cultural differences really show in this thread. Me and my family give exactly 0 fucks about nudity or sex scenes. We'd rather watch people pleasuring each other then skulls getting crushed to bits and pieces + gore. I really enjoy the show because it is such a 'real' setting. Real stuff happens, envy, lust for power, violence, sex, all part of RL and portrayed superbly in this series. If you're shocked by a tit or 'suggested action' I think you're in for a real shocker when you grow up and venture into the real world. and yeah, as for the Swedish culture. I, as a child no older then 8, enjoyed a movie named 'dunderklumpen' I dont even remember the child nudity in there, I just enjoyed the movie as a kid. Im not scarred for life because of nudity  If anything, as you've probably guessed, I'm more open and tolerant towards nudity. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On April 10 2013 21:27 AbuseYouMerc wrote: Cultural differences really show in this thread. Me and my family give exactly 0 fucks about nudity or sex scenes. We'd rather watch people pleasuring each other then skulls getting crushed to bits and pieces + gore. I really enjoy the show because it is such a 'real' setting. Real stuff happens, envy, lust for power, violence, sex, all part of RL and portrayed superbly in this series. If you're shocked by a tit or 'suggested action' I think you're in for a real shocker when you grow up and venture into the real world. and yeah, as for the Swedish culture. I, as a child no older then 8, enjoyed a movie named 'dunderklumpen' I dont even remember the child nudity in there, I just enjoyed the movie as a kid. Im not scarred for life because of nudity If anything, as you've probably guessed, I'm more open and tolerant towards nudity. I'm going to ignore the ad hominem. I bet you think you're extremely sophisticated by showing how you are not at all bothered by such themes appearing in your show but in my opinion you're unsophisticated if you can't see the class in a show that is able to avoid blatant base nudity-for-the-sake-of-nudity. Seriously, watch I, Claudius. A million times richer and deeper than a show like Spartacus, covering exactly the same subject matter but doing it in a FAR classier and more subtle way. I agree with the people who say that some of the sex/ nudity scenes are acceptably plot-driven, but I think the majority are really just to attract the attention of a certain demographic, ie the male 18-34 target audience. Also, I think the general argument of 'lets be grown up about this' would probably fly a bit more if we saw penises rather than have many scenes where men are fully naked but conveniently their penises are hidden. The one-sidedness of the nudity 'deployment' undermines the arguments. Although I do accept there have been like two penises so far. Still though, quite a few times there has been a strategic existence of a bedsheet or a table or something that obscures the view. Although I don't know about the actual situation with HBO and the censors, have they not shown any vaginas because they specifically want to be a teenage road trip style movie or because the censors disallow such exposition? | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
How one can complain about the off screen suggested blow jobs is beyond me though. | ||
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DisneylandSC
Netherlands435 Posts
I'd appreciate it if people would open a nudity in movies and such discussion thread if they insist on carrying on this drivel. | ||
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brian
United States9644 Posts
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RCMDVA
United States708 Posts
On April 10 2013 19:46 Bash wrote: It's a bit unfortunate that they have so goddamn many characters to catch up with and (re)introduce that we have to spend 2 episodes just doing that and there is no time for anything to actually happen. Hopefully that won't be the theme for the season. Two episodes and no Varys.  | ||
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