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Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
April 09 2013 08:43 GMT
#12981
Very nice episode! Why isn't there more debate on the fight between Jaimie and Brienne here, first thing I thought after seeing it was "damm people are gonna go crazy on forums about who is the best swordsman".

Jaimie was handcuffed and obviously a bit weakened as he had been a prisonner for a while, yet Brienne kicked his ass pretty badly ...
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
April 09 2013 09:05 GMT
#12982
It was not a fair fight. Brienne was at full ready and Jamie was underfed, wasn't training at all, was handcuffed and didn't have any armor or his sword. It would be like having an UFC fight between a champion contender and ex champion that didn't train for 2 months and was picked up from a local pub 1h before to come and fight.
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-09 09:08:13
April 09 2013 09:08 GMT
#12983
While the book readers certainly know what happens, I'm personally quite curious:
Noro reminded me of something that I had entirely forgot when I watched episode 2
...like in 2.9 after the battle they had that conversation about the Hound leaving and his offer to take Sansa back to Winterfell, and then he just like upped and left and they didn't make any mention of it again...

With that fact in mind, it makes me wonder if the hostility the Brotherhood without Banners seemed to have towards Sandor Clegane would diminish. Aside from the fact that he was once he was associated with the kingdom, I don't see much reason why they'd dislike him or want him since he was a deserter and obviously doesn't seem to care much for the kingdom or his brother for that fact. Maybe they somehow don't know that nor believe that? or maybe they just don't care. Personally I think it would be cool if they let him go somehow and/or he joined them. That does seem unlikely though, since while he was a deserter, he did still seem to be quite a loyal/honorable person to those who he did serve (Robert, etc.).
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-09 10:03:22
April 09 2013 10:02 GMT
#12984
On April 09 2013 18:08 Xapti wrote:
While the book readers certainly know what happens, I'm personally quite curious:
Noro reminded me of something that I had entirely forgot when I watched episode 2
Show nested quote +
...like in 2.9 after the battle they had that conversation about the Hound leaving and his offer to take Sansa back to Winterfell, and then he just like upped and left and they didn't make any mention of it again...

With that fact in mind, it makes me wonder if the hostility the Brotherhood without Banners seemed to have towards Sandor Clegane would diminish. Aside from the fact that he was once he was associated with the kingdom, I don't see much reason why they'd dislike him or want him since he was a deserter and obviously doesn't seem to care much for the kingdom or his brother for that fact. Maybe they somehow don't know that nor believe that? or maybe they just don't care. Personally I think it would be cool if they let him go somehow and/or he joined them. That does seem unlikely though, since while he was a deserter, he did still seem to be quite a loyal/honorable person to those who he did serve (Robert, etc.).


I think one of the Clegane brothers did pretty awfull stuff to people of the Brotherhood without Banners (IIRC they talk about it in Harenhal during S2) so I would not see that being a possibility either.

On another note, Thoros and his Robin Hood friend both seem pretty badass, hope we see their fighting skills really displayed soon (all this story was missing in terms of fighters were great archers IMO, now we have one at last )
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
April 09 2013 10:07 GMT
#12985
This is possibly a repost but for those who dont follow the books but the TV series only, this playlist http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOf6UEpityVbHpIjohttPLpG1QULCHJxZ contains 4 deleted scenes in season 2, some were really important in order to understand the character and story development .

Cheers.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-09 10:26:06
April 09 2013 10:25 GMT
#12986
On April 09 2013 17:43 Emix_Squall wrote:
Very nice episode! Why isn't there more debate on the fight between Jaimie and Brienne here, first thing I thought after seeing it was "damm people are gonna go crazy on forums about who is the best swordsman".

Jaimie was handcuffed and obviously a bit weakened as he had been a prisonner for a while, yet Brienne kicked his ass pretty badly ...


For stories sake she never loses there, and she knows it. At the same time though Jamie never thought he was going to win either, he wanted to spend as much time on the bridge. He was so weakened from time spent in custody, but having no armor puts him at huge a deficit as well.
"I think bringing a toddler to a movie theater is a terrible idea. They are too young to understand what is happening it would be like giving your toddler acid. Bad idea." - Sinensis
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
April 09 2013 12:39 GMT
#12987
On April 09 2013 19:25 jcroisdale wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 17:43 Emix_Squall wrote:
Very nice episode! Why isn't there more debate on the fight between Jaimie and Brienne here, first thing I thought after seeing it was "damm people are gonna go crazy on forums about who is the best swordsman".

Jaimie was handcuffed and obviously a bit weakened as he had been a prisonner for a while, yet Brienne kicked his ass pretty badly ...


For stories sake she never loses there, and she knows it. At the same time though Jamie never thought he was going to win either, he wanted to spend as much time on the bridge. He was so weakened from time spent in custody, but having no armor puts him at huge a deficit as well.


Why would he want to spend as much time on the bridge as possible? It is very much in his own interest that Brienne gets him to King's Landing, i mean then he will be freed. If any of the northmen find them, which they now have, they will surely try to hang him or bring him back to Robb. Him trying to "get them caught" makes no sense, he also indicates this as he wants Brienne to kill the peasant in the start of the episode and then in the end he gives her a "i told you so" look when said peasant is the one who ran to get the soldiers.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
April 09 2013 12:48 GMT
#12988
I think Jaime definitely thought he could win, otherwise why try? Sure he was out of practice, and probably out of shape, but not having armor actually makes fighting easier, especially since he had a feeling Brienne wouldn't try to hurt him or she would break her oath of delivering him to King's Landing. He was in good enough shape to kill his cousin and his guard and try and escape. He just underestimated Brienne because she is a woman.
Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
April 09 2013 12:57 GMT
#12989
I want the next episode already
Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
April 09 2013 13:00 GMT
#12990
On April 09 2013 21:39 unkkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 19:25 jcroisdale wrote:
On April 09 2013 17:43 Emix_Squall wrote:
Very nice episode! Why isn't there more debate on the fight between Jaimie and Brienne here, first thing I thought after seeing it was "damm people are gonna go crazy on forums about who is the best swordsman".

Jaimie was handcuffed and obviously a bit weakened as he had been a prisonner for a while, yet Brienne kicked his ass pretty badly ...


For stories sake she never loses there, and she knows it. At the same time though Jamie never thought he was going to win either, he wanted to spend as much time on the bridge. He was so weakened from time spent in custody, but having no armor puts him at huge a deficit as well.


Why would he want to spend as much time on the bridge as possible? It is very much in his own interest that Brienne gets him to King's Landing, i mean then he will be freed. If any of the northmen find them, which they now have, they will surely try to hang him or bring him back to Robb. Him trying to "get them caught" makes no sense, he also indicates this as he wants Brienne to kill the peasant in the start of the episode and then in the end he gives her a "i told you so" look when said peasant is the one who ran to get the soldiers.


He's messing with her more than anything else. IMO, there's nothing to read of what Jaimie wants from his interactions with Brienne so far in S03. But I think Jaimie really thought he could win this and that's the point. He even acts kinda cocky at a point in the duel when he sees her getting shaky for a few seconds.
Considering the Lannister's pride, I don't think Jaimie nor Tywinn would find it very glorious to have Brienne delivering him at King's Landing (even if the trade is done in secret).
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-09 13:08:09
April 09 2013 13:07 GMT
#12991
On April 09 2013 21:57 Nomzter wrote:
I want the next episode already


Yeah I find it really hard to watch these 1 week at a time given how many story-lines are running simultaneously.
Amestir
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2126 Posts
April 09 2013 13:07 GMT
#12992
On April 09 2013 19:07 NB wrote:
This is possibly a repost but for those who dont follow the books but the TV series only, this playlist http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOf6UEpityVbHpIjohttPLpG1QULCHJxZ contains 4 deleted scenes in season 2, some were really important in order to understand the character and story development .

Cheers.


Ty man, didn't see those yet ^^
We know nothing.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-09 13:10:51
April 09 2013 13:10 GMT
#12993
On April 09 2013 19:07 NB wrote:
This is possibly a repost but for those who dont follow the books but the TV series only, this playlist http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOf6UEpityVbHpIjohttPLpG1QULCHJxZ contains 4 deleted scenes in season 2, some were really important in order to understand the character and story development .

Cheers.

Thanks for that. Loved all of them, even if I partly understand why they were deleted.
Off-season = best season
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 09 2013 13:11 GMT
#12994
On April 09 2013 22:00 Emix_Squall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 21:39 unkkz wrote:
On April 09 2013 19:25 jcroisdale wrote:
On April 09 2013 17:43 Emix_Squall wrote:
Very nice episode! Why isn't there more debate on the fight between Jaimie and Brienne here, first thing I thought after seeing it was "damm people are gonna go crazy on forums about who is the best swordsman".

Jaimie was handcuffed and obviously a bit weakened as he had been a prisonner for a while, yet Brienne kicked his ass pretty badly ...


For stories sake she never loses there, and she knows it. At the same time though Jamie never thought he was going to win either, he wanted to spend as much time on the bridge. He was so weakened from time spent in custody, but having no armor puts him at huge a deficit as well.


Why would he want to spend as much time on the bridge as possible? It is very much in his own interest that Brienne gets him to King's Landing, i mean then he will be freed. If any of the northmen find them, which they now have, they will surely try to hang him or bring him back to Robb. Him trying to "get them caught" makes no sense, he also indicates this as he wants Brienne to kill the peasant in the start of the episode and then in the end he gives her a "i told you so" look when said peasant is the one who ran to get the soldiers.


He's messing with her more than anything else. IMO, there's nothing to read of what Jaimie wants from his interactions with Brienne so far in S03. But I think Jaimie really thought he could win this and that's the point. He even acts kinda cocky at a point in the duel when he sees her getting shaky for a few seconds.
Considering the Lannister's pride, I don't think Jaimie nor Tywinn would find it very glorious to have Brienne delivering him at King's Landing (even if the trade is done in secret).


Pretty sure he would have ganked her if he had the chance. He would have traveled home much quicker solo and if he gets south enough he can just bribe someone for supplies/food/horse leveraging the reputation that a Lannister always pays his debt.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
April 09 2013 13:30 GMT
#12995
On April 09 2013 22:07 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 21:57 Nomzter wrote:
I want the next episode already


Yeah I find it really hard to watch these 1 week at a time given how many story-lines are running simultaneously.

I discovered GoT when season 1 was over and it was a month or so to go before season 2 started. That was the best 10 hours in my life for a long time and I doubt any marathon will ever fly by so easy as my GoT season 1 experience that night. It just felt like a 10 hour movie that you didn't want to end.

I wish I was able to save up the 10 episodes per season and do more marathons but knowing that the episodes are available and not being able to discuss the show with other people makes it impossible to stay away from watching week to week.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
April 09 2013 13:54 GMT
#12996
On April 09 2013 22:10 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 19:07 NB wrote:
This is possibly a repost but for those who dont follow the books but the TV series only, this playlist http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOf6UEpityVbHpIjohttPLpG1QULCHJxZ contains 4 deleted scenes in season 2, some were really important in order to understand the character and story development .

Cheers.

Thanks for that. Loved all of them, even if I partly understand why they were deleted.


I thought they were pretty important. No idea why they would be deleted.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
April 09 2013 14:03 GMT
#12997
Remember most people don't know how good of a swordswoman Brienne really is, and think she's just a giant woman. Jaime hasn't held as word in over a year for probably the first time in his life, so he had no idea what he was getting himself into.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 09 2013 14:14 GMT
#12998
On April 09 2013 23:03 Sandster wrote:
Remember most people don't know how good of a swordswoman Brienne really is, and think she's just a giant woman. Jaime hasn't held as word in over a year for probably the first time in his life, so he had no idea what he was getting himself into.


Exactly - he was arrogant and underestimated Brienne.
Okee
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden54 Posts
April 09 2013 14:36 GMT
#12999
On April 09 2013 23:14 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 23:03 Sandster wrote:
Remember most people don't know how good of a swordswoman Brienne really is, and think she's just a giant woman. Jaime hasn't held as word in over a year for probably the first time in his life, so he had no idea what he was getting himself into.


Exactly - he was arrogant and underestimated Brienne.


That could definitely be one reason, but I also think he's kind of toying with her and her emotions, as well as testing her and seeing how she reacts. Also, I don't really see why he wouldn't take the chance to test her skills in a swordfight when he could - he knows she can't hurt him or the deal would be off so why not take the chance and test her skills and techniques for when he gets a better chance?
You haven't failed until you quit trying.
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
April 09 2013 14:53 GMT
#13000
Rome saves GoT!
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