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On April 08 2013 18:37 kafkaesque wrote:
"Too bad the throne isn't made of cocks, they would never have gotten Renly off of it." gave me a good laugh.
The only way they could have been less subtle about the issue is showing Renly and Loras banging...
I loved the Queen of Thornes-scene. Sansa absolutely nailed it.
"He [Renly] suggested something to me that...sounds very painful and couldn't possibly result in children" also cracked me up.
On April 08 2013 23:37 Meatex wrote:
imo Margery isn't looking to be joffery's queen - she wants to be THE queen.
I think thats why she was helping at the orphanage - building the favour of the people in preparation for taking the throne from joffery
But again - she does all this to be in a place of power, but who is SHE? What will she do with the power? She's a very intriguing character and one I'm terrified of, simply because there has yet to be an upstanding citizen south of Winterfell and it's going to take a lot of convincing for me to believe this conniving girl is going to use her power to help the common man.
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What were they doing with Theon's foot? Did they put it in a vice or drill a hole in it or something? It was pretty creepy.
Lady Olenna was hilarious :D
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The Queen of Thorns herself says in the episode that the Lord of Highgarden is determined for Margaery (his daughter) to be Queen. Margaery may simply be making the best of it by playing along with Joffrey as she is stuck with him no matter what.
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Isn't that the same guy that the Queen of Thorns dissed for being a lame son or something? I don't remember her exact words, and I think she was more trying to build rapport with Sansa and make her feel at ease by making fun of her own family, but she sounded like she's only half joking.
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Why is everyone calling her Queen of Thorns, I don't remember that name being given to her in the show yet?!
Too many book readers in this topic again? :D
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On April 09 2013 00:08 -Archangel- wrote:
Why is everyone calling her Queen of Thorns, I don't remember that name being given to her in the show yet?!
Too many book readers in this topic again? :D
You should read the books, that way you avoid spoilers
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Margery is probably one of the most manipulative characters in the show
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On April 08 2013 23:09 FireMonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 22:26 Gosi wrote:
I love how Joffrey is getting played by Margery. She is manipulating him with her act and at the same time it makes Cersei dig her hole deeper with Joffrey because she has no control over anything and it seems like Joffrey is just tired of her. Even more so now when his narcissistic self feel the need to always put himself in a good light for Margery in whatever the topic is. During all this she is also building up a trust and repetition with the people by doing her good deeds and her down to earth act.
Cersei knows for sure that Margery is winning the game for now, so I wonder how she will try to stop it? This storyline has become really interesting. Yeah ever since the dinner table scene in the first episode it's been clear that cercei is uncomfortable with maegery. Knowing Cersei she will probably try come up with a scheme to ruin maegeries reputation.
Joffrey as a person is weak, and his only semblance of power lies with his title. He seems to be drawn to assertive women, seeing how Cersei is and how he seems attracted to Margaery. He wants to be played, but not questioned. Cersei knows all this, and because Margaery share many of her traits, shes afraid to not be the main influence.
My guess Cersei's play will be around Loras' homosexuality and Joffreys aversion towards it, probably involving some blackmailing.
On April 08 2013 23:37 Meatex wrote:
imo Margery isn't looking to be joffery's queen - she wants to be THE queen.
I think thats why she was helping at the orphanage - building the favour of the people in preparation for taking the throne from joffery
Seeing how Joffrey is I don't think she has to take the throne from him to be true ruler, it's the other people surrounding him which is the problem. Those are the ones she has to outplay. The orphanage thing I think was multi-faceted. One point is building the image of being "the queen" among the people, another was to test Joffrey's reaction to understand him better.
On April 08 2013 23:16 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 06:01 Ultraliskhero wrote:On April 07 2013 12:18 jcroisdale wrote:
I just assumed that the Iron Islanders burnt the city. Using it as a distraction to escape. I do not think the northern army would have made any deal with them. Especially considering the honor for the son leading the attack. Actually, before Rob sent the men to Winterfell he said "Any ironborn who surrender will be allowed to return safely to their homes, with the exception of Theon Greyjoy." But I don't think the iron islanders made a deal with the northmen or anything, because prior to them taking out Theon, there was a scene where the Maester told Theon that there are secret passages to escape Winterfell. The iron islanders may have burnt the city then escaped through the secret passages. I think it's the ones who "freed" winterfell. Those who made the deal with the iron islanders and captured Theon, but we don't know who they are yet. Probably one Northern tribe that isn't so loyal to the starks after all and seized the opportunity to get rid of them now they are weak and far away.
I was under the impression he was on the Iron Islands, and that this was some kind of hard lesson from his father. Especially as his sister had a messenger present.
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On April 09 2013 00:16 Appendix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 23:09 FireMonkey wrote:On April 08 2013 22:26 Gosi wrote:
I love how Joffrey is getting played by Margery. She is manipulating him with her act and at the same time it makes Cersei dig her hole deeper with Joffrey because she has no control over anything and it seems like Joffrey is just tired of her. Even more so now when his narcissistic self feel the need to always put himself in a good light for Margery in whatever the topic is. During all this she is also building up a trust and repetition with the people by doing her good deeds and her down to earth act.
Cersei knows for sure that Margery is winning the game for now, so I wonder how she will try to stop it? This storyline has become really interesting. Yeah ever since the dinner table scene in the first episode it's been clear that cercei is uncomfortable with maegery. Knowing Cersei she will probably try come up with a scheme to ruin maegeries reputation. Joffrey as a person is weak, and his only semblance of power lies with his title. He seems to be drawn to assertive women, seeing how Cersei is and how he seems attracted to Margaery. He wants to be played, but not questioned. Cersei knows all this, and because Margaery share many of her traits, shes afraid to not be the main influence. My guess Cersei's play will be around Loras' homosexuality and Joffreys aversion towards it, probably involving some blackmailing. Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 23:37 Meatex wrote:
imo Margery isn't looking to be joffery's queen - she wants to be THE queen.
I think thats why she was helping at the orphanage - building the favour of the people in preparation for taking the throne from joffery Seeing how Joffrey is I don't think she has to take the throne from him to be true ruler, it's the other people surrounding him which is the problem. Those are the ones she has to outplay. The orphanage thing I think was multi-faceted. One point is building the image of being "the queen" among the people, another was to test Joffrey's reaction to understand him better. Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 23:16 Zandar wrote:On April 08 2013 06:01 Ultraliskhero wrote:On April 07 2013 12:18 jcroisdale wrote:
I just assumed that the Iron Islanders burnt the city. Using it as a distraction to escape. I do not think the northern army would have made any deal with them. Especially considering the honor for the son leading the attack. Actually, before Rob sent the men to Winterfell he said "Any ironborn who surrender will be allowed to return safely to their homes, with the exception of Theon Greyjoy." But I don't think the iron islanders made a deal with the northmen or anything, because prior to them taking out Theon, there was a scene where the Maester told Theon that there are secret passages to escape Winterfell. The iron islanders may have burnt the city then escaped through the secret passages. I think it's the ones who "freed" winterfell. Those who made the deal with the iron islanders and captured Theon, but we don't know who they are yet. Probably one Northern tribe that isn't so loyal to the starks after all and seized the opportunity to get rid of them now they are weak and far away. I was under the impression he was on the Iron Islands, and that this was some kind of hard lesson from his father. Especially as his sister had a messenger present.
Didn't think of that.
That makes sense indeed 
Father won't be pleased then, he's screaming for mercy like a pig 
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On April 09 2013 00:14 Skilledblob wrote:
Margery is probably one of the most manipulative characters in the show
I think so too.
As soon as she heard from Sansa Joffrey is a monster, she knows what he likes and tells him how she wants to kill something.
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well another thing, how come karstark thought that himself and other men lost faith in robb's cause when he married that lady i forgot her name...she's really hot though. I understand he broke the oath with frey, but i highly doubt the frey's were much of an asset to robb whether he married the hot girl or not.
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On April 09 2013 00:31 FireMonkey wrote:
well another thing, how come karstark thought that himself and other men lost faith in robb's cause when he married that lady i forgot her name...she's really hot though. I understand he broke the oath with frey, but i highly doubt the frey's were much of an asset to robb whether he married the hot girl or not.
The Freys provided men for his army as well as some protection for any Lannisters that wanted to attack the North.
Mod Edit: Removed minor spoiler
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On April 09 2013 00:35 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 00:31 FireMonkey wrote:
well another thing, how come karstark thought that himself and other men lost faith in robb's cause when he married that lady i forgot her name...she's really hot though. I understand he broke the oath with frey, but i highly doubt the frey's were much of an asset to robb whether he married the hot girl or not. The Freys provided men for his army as well as some protection for any Lannisters that wanted to attack the North.
I suppose so, even then i dont see how it's war ending but come to think of it karstark has been reckless himself and has bias to aid his opinions (loss of sons etc)
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On April 09 2013 00:37 FireMonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 00:35 Dakkas wrote:On April 09 2013 00:31 FireMonkey wrote:
well another thing, how come karstark thought that himself and other men lost faith in robb's cause when he married that lady i forgot her name...she's really hot though. I understand he broke the oath with frey, but i highly doubt the frey's were much of an asset to robb whether he married the hot girl or not. The Freys provided men for his army as well as some protection for any Lannisters that wanted to attack the North. I suppose so, even then i dont see how it's war ending but come to think of it karstark has been reckless himself and has bias to aid his opinions (loss of sons etc)
Also because the King of the North didn't live up to his promise, while he got the passage over bridge.
So his word can't always be trusted.
People in his army might look at it like his personal needs are more important to him than theirs, making them less willing to fight for him.
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I can't help but feel that if season 1&2 was about cutting off the Stark/Targaryan children from their parents and seeing how well they fare without them, season 3 seems to be leading towards the same thing for the Lannisters. Feels like the main focus of the story is slowly shifting from the wars of the aged to how their offspring carry it on. Seems like there's a continuous shift towards youth, now with Bran taking more importance and presumably Rickon will eventually as well, otherwise he's been completely useless to the show so far.
Because of this, I predict Tywin and Caitlin both die in this season. Probably Cersei too, just to throw Joffrey into the same situation. Sadly, I predict he doesn't kick the bucket 
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On April 09 2013 00:47 psychopat wrote:now with Bran taking more importance and presumably Rickon will eventually as well, otherwise he's been completely useless to the show so far.
Fairly useless but not totally, Bran found out he has the same dreams.
I think it was about Winterfell being swallowed by the sea.
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On April 09 2013 00:00 Paperplane wrote:
What were they doing with Theon's foot? Did they put it in a vice or drill a hole in it or something? It was pretty creepy.
Lady Olenna was hilarious :D
the finger torture was awful, too. i dont even wanne think about how that must hurt
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On April 09 2013 00:47 psychopat wrote:I can't help but feel that if season 1&2 was about cutting off the Stark/Targaryan children from their parents and seeing how well they fare without them, season 3 seems to be leading towards the same thing for the Lannisters. Feels like the main focus of the story is slowly shifting from the wars of the aged to how their offspring carry it on. Seems like there's a continuous shift towards youth, now with Bran taking more importance and presumably Rickon will eventually as well, otherwise he's been completely useless to the show so far. Because of this, I predict Tywin and Caitlin both die in this season. Probably Cersei too, just to throw Joffrey into the same situation. Sadly, I predict he doesn't kick the bucket
I think cersei will die next season, she's too good of a character to just throw away right now like she has the new rivalry or competition with maegery that's just begun. the thing with ned was that his purpose as a character was to reveal the twist and be on with it, aka dead. Cersei is the kind of character whos role is to pose threat and now they have a new sub story for her - her power is being over taken by someone younger, potentially smarter, more beautiful. Cersei's story is going from victimed wife (season 1) to string pulling power obsessed mother (season 2) now to out with the old, in with the new, if you know what i mean..
I think Tywin will die i just have a hunch maybe tyrion will try do something because as far as i know tywin hasn't written a will yet so the rightful heir is Tyrion and in episode 1's father and son moment we saw a good motive for a plot against Tywin from tyrion.
I don't actually care about cat
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You guys shouldnt worry too much about who is important to the show and who is not. Thats just asking for spoilers.
Most of the time there are just wrong predictions, i bet a lot of people are itching to correct you :D
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On April 09 2013 01:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
You guys shouldnt worry too much about who is important to the show and who is not. Thats just asking for spoilers.
Most of the time there are just wrong predictions, i bet a lot of people are itching to correct you :D
yeah well i tell you what, i'll be the one itching to correct people, just give me time to finish these damn books! i need to eat more fibre...
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