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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9241 Posts
April 08 2013 16:06 GMT
#12921
I wonder if Margaery is going to torture people to amuse Joffrey.
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IamVirGin
Profile Joined March 2012
119 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 16:40:21
April 08 2013 16:36 GMT
#12922
On April 09 2013 00:16 Appendix wrote:
I was under the impression he was on the Iron Islands, and that this was some kind of hard lesson from his father. Especially as his sister had a messenger present.


That seems extremely unlikely to me. Why would his sister, who appears very loyal to her father have a "savior" present?
The Bolton bastard burned Winterfell and captured Theon is my prediction. Robb was informed that Winterfell was already burned and the Iron Islanders escaped when they arrived, which is clearly not true. I get capturing and torturing Theon, but why they burned Winterfell escapes me.

On April 09 2013 00:47 psychopat wrote:
I can't help but feel that if season 1&2 was about cutting off the Stark/Targaryan children from their parents and seeing how well they fare without them, season 3 seems to be leading towards the same thing for the Lannisters. Feels like the main focus of the story is slowly shifting from the wars of the aged to how their offspring carry it on. Seems like there's a continuous shift towards youth, now with Bran taking more importance and presumably Rickon will eventually as well, otherwise he's been completely useless to the show so far.

Because of this, I predict Tywin and Caitlin both die in this season. Probably Cersei too, just to throw Joffrey into the same situation. Sadly, I predict he doesn't kick the bucket


I think Joffrey might die, perhaps so we can see more of his younger brother (I don't even know his name) although I really hope he doesn't. He's a really good character to hate, and his relationship with Margery is growing very interesting.
oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 16:47:27
April 08 2013 16:46 GMT
#12923
While watching the show not knowing what happens next is cool i recommend reading the books to anyone who has the ability to do so. The show cuts some of the story and nothing compares to actually being the character while the story unfolds.
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 17:15:34
April 08 2013 17:06 GMT
#12924
On April 09 2013 01:05 FireMonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 01:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
You guys shouldnt worry too much about who is important to the show and who is not. Thats just asking for spoilers.
Most of the time there are just wrong predictions, i bet a lot of people are itching to correct you :D


just give me time to finish these damn books! i need to eat more fibre...


That went over my head... Where's the connection between those statements?

Did anyone else laugh at Gendry's incredulity when asking Arya about Jaquen's victims?
I'm convinced they put this into the show as an homage to all those fans who wondered why Arya chose such unlikely characters to kill.
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Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 17:46:21
April 08 2013 17:41 GMT
#12925
On April 09 2013 02:06 kafkaesque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 01:05 FireMonkey wrote:
On April 09 2013 01:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
You guys shouldnt worry too much about who is important to the show and who is not. Thats just asking for spoilers.
Most of the time there are just wrong predictions, i bet a lot of people are itching to correct you :D


just give me time to finish these damn books! i need to eat more fibre...


That went over my head... Where's the connection between those statements?

Did anyone else laugh at Gendry's incredulity when asking Arya about Jaquen's victims?
I'm convinced they put this into the show as an homage to all those fans who wondered why Arya chose such unlikely characters to kill.


He - like every normal person - is asking the same damn thing. These assassins clearly cost a ton of money to hire, or the streets of the 7 kingdoms would be littered with corpses from infallible assassins. (You're telling me no one's thought of hire an assassin to kill high-priority targets like Joffrey, Tywin, Robb, or the Baratheons?) Either that or have some limitation we haven't seen.

As for death prediction of the "older" generation, you have to include the Night's Watch leadership and maybe the wildings. I feel like Jon and the rest of those guys can't shine unless the current leader dies.

I don't know if Tywin can die, though maybe Tyrion does something? Not sure how the Lannisters would fare with weak leadership, since the other Lannisters we've seen don't seem like commander material. Maybe Tywin dies and Jaime takes over? Which is weird since, even if he gets free, he's a kingsguard anyway. Also Cersei comes across as more and more predictable every episode. Heck any one of those guys could die, including Jaime and Tyrion, though I feel like their stories have a lot of room to be developed.

Catelynn, Robb, and his wife are in serious shit, since like his bannermen said marrying that girl is a huge mistake and seems to be diverting the purpose of the war. Someone pointed out on the map how close Harrenhall is to King's Landing, and I guess he doesn't feel there are enough men to attack the city now. Also isn't the reason he was supposed to marry a Frey girl, because the Freys hold one of the most important passages between Winterfell and the rest of the kingdom? The problem is if Robb dies the entire northern army is in shambles, and the war would come down to just two parties. May make sense for a contingent of his men to betray him, and he flees with a smaller group of loyalists.

Arya, Brann, and Ricard have too much development left to die. I expect the really young guys - Ricard, Joffrey's little brother, and the young Arryn.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
April 08 2013 18:05 GMT
#12926
@Sandster. They made a reference to how expensive the assassins would be at one point [when they were discussing assassinating daenyers]. I think it was something like one assassin would constitute the entire upkeep for the whole army of the seven kingdoms in a year. Cant remember the exact figure but your right, its absurdly expensive.

Also, does anyone know if divorce is actually permissible in either the northern religion or the mainstream 'seven divines' faith? Robb might be forced to simply divorce that one chick.
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Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
April 08 2013 19:23 GMT
#12927
Even if divorces were allowed, I think it's more of Robb's bannermen losing faith in him for making solid decisions. His mother releasing Jaime didn't help, and redirecting his army to attend a funeral (which is how his men see it) seems bizarre too. He essentially has no home to return to, no way to get home if the Freys are unhappy, didn't push forward to King's Landing (which is now solidified under Tywin), and are now stranded with thousands of men far away from home with no clear sense of purpose.
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
April 08 2013 19:34 GMT
#12928
I really enjoy reading peoples predictions of how the story goes on here, while forums and threads from people with book knowledge are usually annoying to read because of all the negativity whenever something is changed, compared to the novels, small as these changes may be. So keep on speculating, it's cool and informative to see how people comprehend this massive story without novel background.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 19:46:15
April 08 2013 19:42 GMT
#12929
I feel like John Snow and Daenarys will end up coming together for the throne. This show is fantastic- just watched all of season 1&2 last weekend with some friends for a GOT marathon in order to start the new season. I had never touched the series before then, so I'm glad I finally gave it a chance. I am planning to try the novels soon. My only gripe is that the guy may die before finishing the series, at the rate he's going (heard this from a friend who was probably joking, but ~4 years between so many books is quite a lot)
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
April 08 2013 19:45 GMT
#12930
I just want to see CGI dragon fire roasting zombies. Even if that's several seasons/years away.
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
April 08 2013 20:33 GMT
#12931
On April 09 2013 04:42 FallDownMarigold wrote:
I feel like John Snow and Daenarys will end up coming together for the throne. This show is fantastic- just watched all of season 1&2 last weekend with some friends for a GOT marathon in order to start the new season. I had never touched the series before then, so I'm glad I finally gave it a chance. I am planning to try the novels soon. My only gripe is that the guy may die before finishing the series, at the rate he's going (heard this from a friend who was probably joking, but ~4 years between so many books is quite a lot)

That's what I want to see because I love Jon and Dany; but at the same time, it seems a little too fairy tale for this series. Two young people who have basically been exiled from their society (family, in Snow's case) coming together to fight against the greater threat (The White Walkers). Doesn't help that both Kit Harrington and Emilia Clarke are freaking hot.
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
April 08 2013 20:35 GMT
#12932
On April 09 2013 01:06 Sent. wrote:
I wonder if Margaery is going to torture people to amuse Joffrey.

lol, for a moment, I thought I was in the Margaret Tatcher thread
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Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 20:43:57
April 08 2013 20:43 GMT
#12933
"This is cruel and unfair. Cruelly unfair."

Best line of the episode, roflmao xD
Skol
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 20:58:50
April 08 2013 20:54 GMT
#12934
On April 09 2013 04:23 Sandster wrote:
Even if divorces were allowed, I think it's more of Robb's bannermen losing faith in him for making solid decisions. His mother releasing Jaime didn't help, and redirecting his army to attend a funeral (which is how his men see it) seems bizarre too. He essentially has no home to return to, no way to get home if the Freys are unhappy, didn't push forward to King's Landing (which is now solidified under Tywin), and are now stranded with thousands of men far away from home with no clear sense of purpose.


Well they don't have to go thru the Frey's to get home. They could just go north up the King's Road from Harrenhal since Robb brough his whole army there.
Map of Westeros:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]
Map close up: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/e/e7/Map_of_westeros.jpg

Of course now it looks like they are going back west the way they came towards Riverrun for Catelyn's father's funeral.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
April 08 2013 21:04 GMT
#12935
the execution of the show: I think now that there are so many different story lines, and the storylines are starting to diverge the weakness of having a one hour show really shows. Some parts of an episode end up being really well done, the Tyrells for example, but then you have just weird cuts of the Starks and the big cliff hangers from previous episodes are just abandoned temporarily.

In story stuff:
seems pretty clear that Robb inherited only his fathers war field command. His life time choices are clearly inherited from his mother. Still, I dont see why the Stark noblemen are so mad. Better to rest and feed in the Kingdom of their ally instead of marching around on hungry stomachs, looking for a fight the Lannisters are wisely not going to give.

Also, based on the map posted, the invasion of Winterfel by Ironborn continues to make less and less sense. Clearly Seagard, the Twins and the Northern half of hte Lanister land is where they should have gone, seems like.

Finally, I still dont really see why the Tyrells -- or in fact any lord -- continues to be loyal to the crown. Why not declare independence, the Lannister-Crownlands clearly alone cant even handle Rob so how would they handle the other kingdoms just leaving? And why is Robb still marching around pointlessly, clearly the Lannisters wont fight him because they realized he will beat them on a field of battle so why not march to Riverrun and hold there. After all, if Joffrey really wants to claim to be the King of Seven Kingdoms then he will have to come to them. And otherwise he is just a Lannister king who happened to annex crown lands.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
April 08 2013 21:11 GMT
#12936
Jaime is hilarious. I don't think the Lannister bros got their sense of humor from their father, so Tywin's wife must have been the funniest woman in the seven kingdoms.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
April 08 2013 21:15 GMT
#12937
The North is (from what I understand) more segregated than the other kingdoms. It's a vast land, and most men are working for their local lords - think feudal Europe. The local lords will join their liege lord because they pledged their service, but if Robb situates the army hundreds of miles from home for no reason than I think they will lose morale in the cause since they do have family and fields back at home.

I think taking Winterfell was more Theon's desire to seek approval from his father/sister than any concrete plan. Winterfell is far away from the islands and would probably be a pain for them to hold.

The Tyrells are probably similar to the Lannisters, in that they support who they feel has the best chance of hanging on to the crown. Didn't they remain neutral until the Battle of Blackwater was in favor of the Lannisters?
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9241 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 21:24:23
April 08 2013 21:23 GMT
#12938
@Sandster: Loras and his troops were supporting Renly untill he died. He loved Renly so he couldn't join Stannis like others. He had to find another ally. The choice between Starks and Lannisters was pretty obvious.
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Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
April 08 2013 21:42 GMT
#12939
On April 09 2013 00:00 Paperplane wrote:
What were they doing with Theon's foot? Did they put it in a vice or drill a hole in it or something? It was pretty creepy.
It's just a simple vise to crush the foot. Aparently the term is "foot press".
http://www.occasionalhell.com/infdevice/detail.php?recordID=Foot Press

On April 09 2013 00:08 -Archangel- wrote:
Why is everyone calling her Queen of Thorns, I don't remember that name being given to her in the show yet?!
Too many book readers in this topic again? :D
I don't recall hearing it mentioned either (but wasn't sure if it was mentioned), but someone here said it and I understood who they meant, so I used the same name. I thought that if I used a different name that maybe people wouldn't understand who I meant by "lady Olenna", since her name isn't well established and not everyone's good with names.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
Thor.Rush
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden702 Posts
April 08 2013 21:49 GMT
#12940
On April 09 2013 06:23 Sent. wrote:
@Sandster: Loras and his troops were supporting Renly untill he died. He loved Renly so he couldn't join Stannis like others. He had to find another ally. The choice between Starks and Lannisters was pretty obvious.


You mean genetically inherited from their mother? Tyrion killed the mother by being born ;O
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