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On April 06 2013 02:45 SheaR619 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:39 UdderChaos wrote:On April 05 2013 18:40 Geo.Rion wrote:On April 05 2013 18:00 FrogOfWar wrote:On April 03 2013 03:42 Sabu113 wrote:On April 03 2013 03:02 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
I wonder what stops Daenarys to recruit 8000 soldiers and pillage Astapor with help of dragons? After that slowly capturing Free cities one of the time.
If I would be any of the major houses from Westeros I would start negoating with Daenarys any alliances incase of another Targaryan conquest campaign.Secretly of course. Why? Dragons have been dead for ages so that's probably a rumor and god knows I can't imagine too many major houses care for the goings on over yonder. All three armies over in Westeros are still enough to destroy a small 8000 man force, however good they are. Plus this is their home. They'll have advantages in the terrain and logistics routes. Dany really isn't a concern. How do you know the army sizes? I remember a dialogue between Tywin and his men (or maybe Tyrion) about Robb Stark's force, when Robb tricked him by splitting up his army. Wasn't it something around 2000 men? I assume others might have joined him in the meantime, but still, if that was the number and he can give the Lannisters a fight, then Dany should be able to do something with 8000 pain-proof badasses. From what we know, Robb's host was around 20k when he descended from the North, from which he "sent 2000 to die" as a distraction while with his main army he captured Jaime, scattered his host, then went on to win a battle at Oxcross or whatever it's called. It's a bit confusing, because there is a scene with Tywinn and Littlefinger in which he says the Tyrells are the 3rd largest military force after Stark and Lannister (and at that time Stannis's army was nice and unhurt), meaning that the Stark host is the 2nd largest, which is kinda contrary to the other hints at the army sizes in Westeros, but hey, maybe LF was just wrong, or he specifically meant only the Tyrells, not the Tyrells+their bannermen, and by Stark he meant all the Stark bannermen and allies, who knows. To the point, yes, 8k soldiers are not enough on their own to conqure a continent, even if they are of superior quality. I still think danyeri's plan is to get the dothraki back, then plus the 8k is easily enough surely, even if they refuse to fight the dothraki on open ground, they can control the lands with the fast moving horseback army and starve out the cities. Even if the dothraki arn't part of the plan, i imagine 8k amazing soldier to distract any size army while dragon absolutely anhialate them seems like a fairly legit strategy, and the RUINS of harrenhal tell you something about trying to hide in a castle against dragons. Basically 3 fully grown dragons seem to be equal to any sized army by the sounds of it. P.S Ive never understood dany's "the dragons arnt growing fast enough!", shes young, and has absolutely nothing to do. How impatient is she? Ya, I dont quiet understand this either. I mean she has 3 dragon.....she basically just need to wait till they a grown and then can take down kingdom easily. To put it in starcraft term, she could of hidden her tech (dragon) till it complete and then just take everyone by surprise and take Kings Landing. She has the late game in the palm of her hands but yet she wants to try and be aggressive in the early game? It rather silly and I guess it basically her being impatient is part of her nature.
Yes but right now the other kingdoms are fighting each other. Later they may be united and make a much tougher opponent. She also has the warlocks after her now, and has to do something to prepare for that late game. Certainly the dragons can be a huge part, but if she wants to rule rather than just raze Westeros, she has to have armies. The dragons can't be every where and there is a reason they went extinct for how ever long until Dany's eggs hatched. They aren't immortal even as adults.
On April 05 2013 18:23 FrogOfWar wrote:
I don't think Sansa is evil or something, but for the most part of the first 2 seasons she seemed busy exploring unknown heights of stupidity and then suffering the consequences that anyone half awake would have seen coming from a mile away.
You have to remember Sansa was a 13 year old sheltered noble girl who had fairy tale like beliefs about how knights, queens, princes and such act when the show starts. Sure she was spoiled and selfish in season 1, but by season 2 there wasn't much she had control over. She was a captive who was being beaten regularly and had no one to protect her or confide in.
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On April 06 2013 02:45 SheaR619 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:39 UdderChaos wrote:On April 05 2013 18:40 Geo.Rion wrote:On April 05 2013 18:00 FrogOfWar wrote:On April 03 2013 03:42 Sabu113 wrote:On April 03 2013 03:02 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
I wonder what stops Daenarys to recruit 8000 soldiers and pillage Astapor with help of dragons? After that slowly capturing Free cities one of the time.
If I would be any of the major houses from Westeros I would start negoating with Daenarys any alliances incase of another Targaryan conquest campaign.Secretly of course. Why? Dragons have been dead for ages so that's probably a rumor and god knows I can't imagine too many major houses care for the goings on over yonder. All three armies over in Westeros are still enough to destroy a small 8000 man force, however good they are. Plus this is their home. They'll have advantages in the terrain and logistics routes. Dany really isn't a concern. How do you know the army sizes? I remember a dialogue between Tywin and his men (or maybe Tyrion) about Robb Stark's force, when Robb tricked him by splitting up his army. Wasn't it something around 2000 men? I assume others might have joined him in the meantime, but still, if that was the number and he can give the Lannisters a fight, then Dany should be able to do something with 8000 pain-proof badasses. From what we know, Robb's host was around 20k when he descended from the North, from which he "sent 2000 to die" as a distraction while with his main army he captured Jaime, scattered his host, then went on to win a battle at Oxcross or whatever it's called. It's a bit confusing, because there is a scene with Tywinn and Littlefinger in which he says the Tyrells are the 3rd largest military force after Stark and Lannister (and at that time Stannis's army was nice and unhurt), meaning that the Stark host is the 2nd largest, which is kinda contrary to the other hints at the army sizes in Westeros, but hey, maybe LF was just wrong, or he specifically meant only the Tyrells, not the Tyrells+their bannermen, and by Stark he meant all the Stark bannermen and allies, who knows. To the point, yes, 8k soldiers are not enough on their own to conqure a continent, even if they are of superior quality. I still think danyeri's plan is to get the dothraki back, then plus the 8k is easily enough surely, even if they refuse to fight the dothraki on open ground, they can control the lands with the fast moving horseback army and starve out the cities. Even if the dothraki arn't part of the plan, i imagine 8k amazing soldier to distract any size army while dragon absolutely anhialate them seems like a fairly legit strategy, and the RUINS of harrenhal tell you something about trying to hide in a castle against dragons. Basically 3 fully grown dragons seem to be equal to any sized army by the sounds of it. P.S Ive never understood dany's "the dragons arnt growing fast enough!", shes young, and has absolutely nothing to do. How impatient is she? Ya, I dont quiet understand this either. I mean she has 3 dragon.....she basically just need to wait till they a grown and then can take down kingdom easily. To put it in starcraft term, she could of hidden her tech (dragon) till it complete and then just take everyone by surprise and take Kings Landing. She has the late game in the palm of her hands but yet she wants to try and be aggressive in the early game? It rather silly and I guess it basically her being impatient is part of her nature.
Dragons are nasty but they can be killed, even fully grown ones. I don't think she can wait for the current confusion and chaos to end and let someone become entrenched on the throne, then show up with just 3 dragons. She needs either the dragons fully grown now (which can't happen), or an army to go with them.
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On April 05 2013 11:24 holdthephone wrote:
Question: Who was involved at Winterfell at the end of season 2? That was unclear to me. They bagged Theon to take him back home, I assume, and weren't there Northern forces surrounding the keep at that point? But then the opening of season 3 shows the whole place is slaughtered. Just confused as to what the hell happened there...
Maybe I shouldn't know yet? lol
This question has intruiged me as well. We know it wasn't the iron-islenders who burned Winterfell, because they betrayed Theon, to "go home", which implies some sort of deal with the northern army (commanded by one of Robbs advisors sons, I belive?). You get Theon, we get to go free. Thus, if we assume this is the case, it would be completely retarded to set Winterfell on fire.
Which means the only remaining option is that the Northerners did it. Seems unreasonable, given that all we've been shown is how popular Robb is, and how devoted all his bannermen is to him, but the simple fact is nothing else is plausible, for me. It wouldn't be a very unexpected twist though. Perhaps there is some old rivalry between the Starks and another northern family, that we don't know about.
Edit: Hrm. I suppose it's possible that Theon's sisters army arrived to defeat the Northern force and re-take Winterfell. But they were far away, weren't they? And why burn it, then?
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On April 06 2013 08:05 IamVirGin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 11:24 holdthephone wrote:
Question: Who was involved at Winterfell at the end of season 2? That was unclear to me. They bagged Theon to take him back home, I assume, and weren't there Northern forces surrounding the keep at that point? But then the opening of season 3 shows the whole place is slaughtered. Just confused as to what the hell happened there...
Maybe I shouldn't know yet? lol This question has intruiged me as well. We know it wasn't the iron-islenders who burned Winterfell, because they betrayed Theon, to "go home", which implies some sort of deal with the northern army (commanded by one of Robbs advisors sons, I belive?). You get Theon, we get to go free. Thus, if we assume this is the case, it would be completely retarded to set Winterfell on fire. Which means the only remaining option is that the Northerners did it. Seems unreasonable, given that all we've been shown is how popular Robb is, and how devoted all his bannermen is to him, but the simple fact is nothing else is plausible, for me. It wouldn't be a very unexpected twist though. Perhaps there is some old rivalry between the Starks and another northern family, that we don't know about. Edit: Hrm. I suppose it's possible that Theon's sisters army arrived to defeat the Northern force and re-take Winterfell. But they were far away, weren't they? And why burn it, then?
The ruins Robb "visits" in the middle of this episode aren't Winterfell.
As for the end of season 2 I dont remember clearly how it was presented in the series, Its clear from the book to me but I remember there were differences.
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I am aware of that. It's Harrenhal. Still Winterfell was burned, as showed at the end of S2, and it's interesting to speculate on who did it, and why.
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On April 06 2013 08:33 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 08:05 IamVirGin wrote:On April 05 2013 11:24 holdthephone wrote:
Question: Who was involved at Winterfell at the end of season 2? That was unclear to me. They bagged Theon to take him back home, I assume, and weren't there Northern forces surrounding the keep at that point? But then the opening of season 3 shows the whole place is slaughtered. Just confused as to what the hell happened there...
Maybe I shouldn't know yet? lol This question has intruiged me as well. We know it wasn't the iron-islenders who burned Winterfell, because they betrayed Theon, to "go home", which implies some sort of deal with the northern army (commanded by one of Robbs advisors sons, I belive?). You get Theon, we get to go free. Thus, if we assume this is the case, it would be completely retarded to set Winterfell on fire. Which means the only remaining option is that the Northerners did it. Seems unreasonable, given that all we've been shown is how popular Robb is, and how devoted all his bannermen is to him, but the simple fact is nothing else is plausible, for me. It wouldn't be a very unexpected twist though. Perhaps there is some old rivalry between the Starks and another northern family, that we don't know about. Edit: Hrm. I suppose it's possible that Theon's sisters army arrived to defeat the Northern force and re-take Winterfell. But they were far away, weren't they? And why burn it, then? The ruins Robb "visits" in the middle of this episode aren't Winterfell.
It still stands. There was a slight misidentification earlier in which someone said that burned Winterfell was shown in s3e1, when that was actually Harrenhall. Burned Winterfell was shown in s2e10, and someone had to have burned it.
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On April 06 2013 08:35 IamVirGin wrote:
I am aware of that. It's Harrenhal. Still Winterfell was burned, as showed at the end of S2, and it's interesting to speculate on who did it.
Ok but the person you quoted however made the mistake as for S2 I can't help you from the TV series because I dont remember. I could tell you from the book in PM however.
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On April 06 2013 08:37 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 08:35 IamVirGin wrote:
I am aware of that. It's Harrenhal. Still Winterfell was burned, as showed at the end of S2, and it's interesting to speculate on who did it. Ok but the person you quoted however made the mistake as for S2 I can't help you from the TV series because I dont remember. I could tell you from the book in PM however.
Ah, no. I don't want to know the answers  I just like to speculate and see how far off I am ^^,
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On April 06 2013 08:36 Irrelevant Label wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 08:33 rezoacken wrote:On April 06 2013 08:05 IamVirGin wrote:On April 05 2013 11:24 holdthephone wrote:
Question: Who was involved at Winterfell at the end of season 2? That was unclear to me. They bagged Theon to take him back home, I assume, and weren't there Northern forces surrounding the keep at that point? But then the opening of season 3 shows the whole place is slaughtered. Just confused as to what the hell happened there...
Maybe I shouldn't know yet? lol This question has intruiged me as well. We know it wasn't the iron-islenders who burned Winterfell, because they betrayed Theon, to "go home", which implies some sort of deal with the northern army (commanded by one of Robbs advisors sons, I belive?). You get Theon, we get to go free. Thus, if we assume this is the case, it would be completely retarded to set Winterfell on fire. Which means the only remaining option is that the Northerners did it. Seems unreasonable, given that all we've been shown is how popular Robb is, and how devoted all his bannermen is to him, but the simple fact is nothing else is plausible, for me. It wouldn't be a very unexpected twist though. Perhaps there is some old rivalry between the Starks and another northern family, that we don't know about. Edit: Hrm. I suppose it's possible that Theon's sisters army arrived to defeat the Northern force and re-take Winterfell. But they were far away, weren't they? And why burn it, then? The ruins Robb "visits" in the middle of this episode aren't Winterfell. It still stands. There was a slight misidentification earlier in which someone said that burned Winterfell was shown in s3e1, when that was actually Harrenhall. Burned Winterfell was shown in s2e10, and someone had to have burned it.
He was referring to it being shown in the opening credits.
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On April 05 2013 18:40 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 18:00 FrogOfWar wrote:On April 03 2013 03:42 Sabu113 wrote:On April 03 2013 03:02 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
I wonder what stops Daenarys to recruit 8000 soldiers and pillage Astapor with help of dragons? After that slowly capturing Free cities one of the time.
If I would be any of the major houses from Westeros I would start negoating with Daenarys any alliances incase of another Targaryan conquest campaign.Secretly of course. Why? Dragons have been dead for ages so that's probably a rumor and god knows I can't imagine too many major houses care for the goings on over yonder. All three armies over in Westeros are still enough to destroy a small 8000 man force, however good they are. Plus this is their home. They'll have advantages in the terrain and logistics routes. Dany really isn't a concern. How do you know the army sizes? I remember a dialogue between Tywin and his men (or maybe Tyrion) about Robb Stark's force, when Robb tricked him by splitting up his army. Wasn't it something around 2000 men? I assume others might have joined him in the meantime, but still, if that was the number and he can give the Lannisters a fight, then Dany should be able to do something with 8000 pain-proof badasses. From what we know, Robb's host was around 20k when he descended from the North, from which he "sent 2000 to die" as a distraction while with his main army he captured Jaime, scattered his host, then went on to win a battle at Oxcross or whatever it's called. It's a bit confusing, because there is a scene with Tywinn and Littlefinger in which he says the Tyrells are the 3rd largest military force after Stark and Lannister (and at that time Stannis's army was nice and unhurt), meaning that the Stark host is the 2nd largest, which is kinda contrary to the other hints at the army sizes in Westeros, but hey, maybe LF was just wrong, or he specifically meant only the Tyrells, not the Tyrells+their bannermen, and by Stark he meant all the Stark bannermen and allies, who knows. To the point, yes, 8k soldiers are not enough on their own to conqure a continent, even if they are of superior quality.
Ah, thanks. It seems I somehow thought 18 hundred when it was in fact 18 thousand that Tywin mentioned to be in the main army.
So basically, then, she has to hope that some people in Westeros will support her claim and join her. I think Selmy might help with that. Finally someone reputable around her.
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On April 06 2013 18:31 FrogOfWar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 18:40 Geo.Rion wrote:On April 05 2013 18:00 FrogOfWar wrote:On April 03 2013 03:42 Sabu113 wrote:On April 03 2013 03:02 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
I wonder what stops Daenarys to recruit 8000 soldiers and pillage Astapor with help of dragons? After that slowly capturing Free cities one of the time.
If I would be any of the major houses from Westeros I would start negoating with Daenarys any alliances incase of another Targaryan conquest campaign.Secretly of course. Why? Dragons have been dead for ages so that's probably a rumor and god knows I can't imagine too many major houses care for the goings on over yonder. All three armies over in Westeros are still enough to destroy a small 8000 man force, however good they are. Plus this is their home. They'll have advantages in the terrain and logistics routes. Dany really isn't a concern. How do you know the army sizes? I remember a dialogue between Tywin and his men (or maybe Tyrion) about Robb Stark's force, when Robb tricked him by splitting up his army. Wasn't it something around 2000 men? I assume others might have joined him in the meantime, but still, if that was the number and he can give the Lannisters a fight, then Dany should be able to do something with 8000 pain-proof badasses. From what we know, Robb's host was around 20k when he descended from the North, from which he "sent 2000 to die" as a distraction while with his main army he captured Jaime, scattered his host, then went on to win a battle at Oxcross or whatever it's called. It's a bit confusing, because there is a scene with Tywinn and Littlefinger in which he says the Tyrells are the 3rd largest military force after Stark and Lannister (and at that time Stannis's army was nice and unhurt), meaning that the Stark host is the 2nd largest, which is kinda contrary to the other hints at the army sizes in Westeros, but hey, maybe LF was just wrong, or he specifically meant only the Tyrells, not the Tyrells+their bannermen, and by Stark he meant all the Stark bannermen and allies, who knows. To the point, yes, 8k soldiers are not enough on their own to conqure a continent, even if they are of superior quality. Ah, thanks. It seems I somehow thought 18 hundred when it was in fact 18 thousand that Tywin mentioned to be in the main army. So basically, then, she has to hope that some people in Westeros will support her claim and join her. I think Selmy might help with that. Finally someone reputable around her.
yes, and there are seven kingdoms (+Greyjoys), so there are options to play around with.
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This is really enjoyable. Episode 1 spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +
edit: thanks for the warning about the spoilers in the comments, I made the whole thing just a picture, original link here if you don't care about spoilers.
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On April 07 2013 07:26 Blisse wrote:This is really enjoyable. Episode 1 spoiler. s3e1 on facebook
that was great thank you lol
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Dont read comments from that page however, there are some big book spoilers and book theories (theories to what will happen in book 6/7).
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That Facebook thing is awesome.
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On April 06 2013 08:36 Irrelevant Label wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 08:33 rezoacken wrote:On April 06 2013 08:05 IamVirGin wrote:On April 05 2013 11:24 holdthephone wrote:
Question: Who was involved at Winterfell at the end of season 2? That was unclear to me. They bagged Theon to take him back home, I assume, and weren't there Northern forces surrounding the keep at that point? But then the opening of season 3 shows the whole place is slaughtered. Just confused as to what the hell happened there...
Maybe I shouldn't know yet? lol This question has intruiged me as well. We know it wasn't the iron-islenders who burned Winterfell, because they betrayed Theon, to "go home", which implies some sort of deal with the northern army (commanded by one of Robbs advisors sons, I belive?). You get Theon, we get to go free. Thus, if we assume this is the case, it would be completely retarded to set Winterfell on fire. Which means the only remaining option is that the Northerners did it. Seems unreasonable, given that all we've been shown is how popular Robb is, and how devoted all his bannermen is to him, but the simple fact is nothing else is plausible, for me. It wouldn't be a very unexpected twist though. Perhaps there is some old rivalry between the Starks and another northern family, that we don't know about. Edit: Hrm. I suppose it's possible that Theon's sisters army arrived to defeat the Northern force and re-take Winterfell. But they were far away, weren't they? And why burn it, then? The ruins Robb "visits" in the middle of this episode aren't Winterfell. It still stands. There was a slight misidentification earlier in which someone said that burned Winterfell was shown in s3e1, when that was actually Harrenhall. Burned Winterfell was shown in s2e10, and someone had to have burned it.
Maybe Theon just forgot to put out the fire in his fireplace when he left.
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On April 07 2013 09:33 Just_a_Moth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 08:36 Irrelevant Label wrote:On April 06 2013 08:33 rezoacken wrote:On April 06 2013 08:05 IamVirGin wrote:On April 05 2013 11:24 holdthephone wrote:
Question: Who was involved at Winterfell at the end of season 2? That was unclear to me. They bagged Theon to take him back home, I assume, and weren't there Northern forces surrounding the keep at that point? But then the opening of season 3 shows the whole place is slaughtered. Just confused as to what the hell happened there...
Maybe I shouldn't know yet? lol This question has intruiged me as well. We know it wasn't the iron-islenders who burned Winterfell, because they betrayed Theon, to "go home", which implies some sort of deal with the northern army (commanded by one of Robbs advisors sons, I belive?). You get Theon, we get to go free. Thus, if we assume this is the case, it would be completely retarded to set Winterfell on fire. Which means the only remaining option is that the Northerners did it. Seems unreasonable, given that all we've been shown is how popular Robb is, and how devoted all his bannermen is to him, but the simple fact is nothing else is plausible, for me. It wouldn't be a very unexpected twist though. Perhaps there is some old rivalry between the Starks and another northern family, that we don't know about. Edit: Hrm. I suppose it's possible that Theon's sisters army arrived to defeat the Northern force and re-take Winterfell. But they were far away, weren't they? And why burn it, then? The ruins Robb "visits" in the middle of this episode aren't Winterfell. It still stands. There was a slight misidentification earlier in which someone said that burned Winterfell was shown in s3e1, when that was actually Harrenhall. Burned Winterfell was shown in s2e10, and someone had to have burned it. Maybe Theon just forgot to put out the fire in his fireplace when he left.
I suppose that could be a valid theory. -User Edit: The part which I presume was the offending sentence is now redacted, though it is quoted multiple times elsewhere.-
User was temp banned for this post.
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On April 07 2013 09:35 Irrelevant Label wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 09:33 Just_a_Moth wrote:On April 06 2013 08:36 Irrelevant Label wrote:On April 06 2013 08:33 rezoacken wrote:On April 06 2013 08:05 IamVirGin wrote:On April 05 2013 11:24 holdthephone wrote:
Question: Who was involved at Winterfell at the end of season 2? That was unclear to me. They bagged Theon to take him back home, I assume, and weren't there Northern forces surrounding the keep at that point? But then the opening of season 3 shows the whole place is slaughtered. Just confused as to what the hell happened there...
Maybe I shouldn't know yet? lol This question has intruiged me as well. We know it wasn't the iron-islenders who burned Winterfell, because they betrayed Theon, to "go home", which implies some sort of deal with the northern army (commanded by one of Robbs advisors sons, I belive?). You get Theon, we get to go free. Thus, if we assume this is the case, it would be completely retarded to set Winterfell on fire. Which means the only remaining option is that the Northerners did it. Seems unreasonable, given that all we've been shown is how popular Robb is, and how devoted all his bannermen is to him, but the simple fact is nothing else is plausible, for me. It wouldn't be a very unexpected twist though. Perhaps there is some old rivalry between the Starks and another northern family, that we don't know about. Edit: Hrm. I suppose it's possible that Theon's sisters army arrived to defeat the Northern force and re-take Winterfell. But they were far away, weren't they? And why burn it, then? The ruins Robb "visits" in the middle of this episode aren't Winterfell. It still stands. There was a slight misidentification earlier in which someone said that burned Winterfell was shown in s3e1, when that was actually Harrenhall. Burned Winterfell was shown in s2e10, and someone had to have burned it. Maybe Theon just forgot to put out the fire in his fireplace when he left. I suppose that could be a valid theory. You have to admit it kinda reeks though.
Yeah, I know. It'd be terrible if that actually was the reason, but also so cool because stuff like that does happen in real life, now and then. So why not in a book?
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On April 07 2013 09:35 Irrelevant Label wrote:
I suppose that could be a valid theory. You have to admit it kinda reeks though.
I laughed aloud. That Facebook series was pretty good too.
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On April 07 2013 09:35 Irrelevant Label wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 09:33 Just_a_Moth wrote:On April 06 2013 08:36 Irrelevant Label wrote:On April 06 2013 08:33 rezoacken wrote:On April 06 2013 08:05 IamVirGin wrote:On April 05 2013 11:24 holdthephone wrote:
Question: Who was involved at Winterfell at the end of season 2? That was unclear to me. They bagged Theon to take him back home, I assume, and weren't there Northern forces surrounding the keep at that point? But then the opening of season 3 shows the whole place is slaughtered. Just confused as to what the hell happened there...
Maybe I shouldn't know yet? lol This question has intruiged me as well. We know it wasn't the iron-islenders who burned Winterfell, because they betrayed Theon, to "go home", which implies some sort of deal with the northern army (commanded by one of Robbs advisors sons, I belive?). You get Theon, we get to go free. Thus, if we assume this is the case, it would be completely retarded to set Winterfell on fire. Which means the only remaining option is that the Northerners did it. Seems unreasonable, given that all we've been shown is how popular Robb is, and how devoted all his bannermen is to him, but the simple fact is nothing else is plausible, for me. It wouldn't be a very unexpected twist though. Perhaps there is some old rivalry between the Starks and another northern family, that we don't know about. Edit: Hrm. I suppose it's possible that Theon's sisters army arrived to defeat the Northern force and re-take Winterfell. But they were far away, weren't they? And why burn it, then? The ruins Robb "visits" in the middle of this episode aren't Winterfell. It still stands. There was a slight misidentification earlier in which someone said that burned Winterfell was shown in s3e1, when that was actually Harrenhall. Burned Winterfell was shown in s2e10, and someone had to have burned it. Maybe Theon just forgot to put out the fire in his fireplace when he left. I suppose that could be a valid theory. You have to admit it kinda reeks though.
I see what you did there.
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