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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On April 03 2013 20:47 kafkaesque wrote: I think it's pretty apparent that the wall was build not to keep the wildlings out, but to keep the white walkers out... I believe he meant that the white walkers could just walk out on the ice a few meters from land and just go around the wall that way | ||
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massivez
Belgium653 Posts
Btw is Jon Snow the only rightheous charachter in the series? The rest of the main cast seem are all gray, even Dany (with the exception of Joffrey ofcourse). | ||
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TrickyGilligan
United States641 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:23 massivez wrote: Damn, excellent episode. But now i get why this series isnt for everyone, you have to have alot of patience. Btw is Jon Snow the only rightheous charachter in the series? The rest of the main cast seem are all gray, even Dany (with the exception of Joffrey ofcourse). Sean Bean was all about honor and duty... and look where that got him. I think it's safe to say that realpolitik is one of the themes of the show, and it goes out of it's way repeatedly to show that traditional values have no place in the harsh reality of King's Landing. That said, I think the Stark children are for the most part pretty innocent, which could explain why bad things keep happening to them. I have nothing but sympathy for Sansa and Arya. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On April 04 2013 02:26 TrickyGilligan wrote: Sean Bean was all about honor and duty... and look where that got him. I think it's safe to say that realpolitik is one of the themes of the show, and it goes out of it's way repeatedly to show that traditional values have no place in the harsh reality of King's Landing. That said, I think the Stark children are for the most part pretty innocent, which could explain why bad things keep happening to them. I have nothing but sympathy for Sansa and Arya. Probably because of their upbringing from their father, and the fact that the Northern lands are so far removed from the daily politics of King's Landing, Highgarden, etc. I mean just look at Margarie. She may very possibly be a kind person, but she's clearly no saint. But I personally think all her "kindness" is a pretense, honed from exposure to politics in her kingdom since childhood. I actually fear her more than almost any other character simply because she clearly has a political agenda, but with unknown motives and capabilities at this point. She fits the "knife behind a smile" stereotype almost perfectly...so if she's indeed a genuinely benevolent ruler who just happens to understand politics I'll be so surprised. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On April 04 2013 02:26 TrickyGilligan wrote: Sean Bean was all about honor and duty... and look where that got him. I think it's safe to say that realpolitik is one of the themes of the show, and it goes out of it's way repeatedly to show that traditional values have no place in the harsh reality of King's Landing. That said, I think the Stark children are for the most part pretty innocent, which could explain why bad things keep happening to them. I have nothing but sympathy for Sansa and Arya. I would say Davos (onion knight) would fit Eddard Starks righteous way. He fears Stannis but still has courage to say against. Of course Barristan Selmy too. Tyrion talking with Tywin was so wrong many ways. Tyrion didn't get any glory and Tywin said he doesn't need any at all, yet Tywin had epic ceremony at last episode of season 2. Seems they have some rivalry coming up knowing how Tyrion thinks after that. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On April 04 2013 02:37 Sandster wrote: Probably because of their upbringing from their father, and the fact that the Northern lands are so far removed from the daily politics of King's Landing, Highgarden, etc. I mean just look at Margarie. She may very possibly be a kind person, but she's clearly no saint. But I personally think all her "kindness" is a pretense, honed from exposure to politics in her kingdom since childhood. I actually fear her more than almost any other character simply because she clearly has a political agenda, but with unknown motives and capabilities at this point. She fits the "knife behind a smile" stereotype almost perfectly...so if she's indeed a genuinely benevolent ruler who just happens to understand politics I'll be so surprised. I disagree, I think she might be a manipulative nd power hungry character but at the same time charitable and considerate for the poor. An interesting mix | ||
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haleu
Sweden47 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On April 04 2013 02:37 Sandster wrote: Probably because of their upbringing from their father, and the fact that the Northern lands are so far removed from the daily politics of King's Landing, Highgarden, etc. I mean just look at Margarie. She may very possibly be a kind person, but she's clearly no saint. But I personally think all her "kindness" is a pretense, honed from exposure to politics in her kingdom since childhood. I actually fear her more than almost any other character simply because she clearly has a political agenda, but with unknown motives and capabilities at this point. She fits the "knife behind a smile" stereotype almost perfectly...so if she's indeed a genuinely benevolent ruler who just happens to understand politics I'll be so surprised. Ah, but does it matter if she's genuinely kind hearted or faking it if her deeds are good all the same? If her goal is simply power, but she continues to be kind during her rule because she views it as the most expedient way to maintain power, does it really matter what her motives are? | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On April 04 2013 04:28 Whitewing wrote: Ah, but does it matter if she's genuinely kind hearted or faking it if her deeds are good all the same? If her goal is simply power, but she continues to be kind during her rule because she views it as the most expedient way to maintain power, does it really matter what her motives are? makes her better than the lannisters anyway | ||
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herMan
Japan2057 Posts
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
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IamVirGin
119 Posts
On April 04 2013 02:26 TrickyGilligan wrote: That said, I think the Stark children are for the most part pretty innocent, which could explain why bad things keep happening to them. I have nothing but sympathy for Sansa and Arya. Yeah, the Starks (including J. Snow) seem like good people across the board, more or less. I expect at least half of them to die, and the rest to suffer. Renly also seemed like a decently good guy and he too died. I get wolf in sheepskin wibe from both the Tyrells. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On April 04 2013 04:28 Whitewing wrote: Ah, but does it matter if she's genuinely kind hearted or faking it if her deeds are good all the same? If her goal is simply power, but she continues to be kind during her rule because she views it as the most expedient way to maintain power, does it really matter what her motives are? No, but that's exactly why she's so dangerous and an interesting character! Also, we know she wants to be queen, but not much more beyond that. She could be smiling with poison fangs, or maybe she's a good person who just knows how to play the game really damn well (which doesn't really exist in the show, outside arguably of Tyrion). | ||
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Mataru
Norway356 Posts
On April 04 2013 05:11 LoLAdriankat wrote: Jaime being pronounced properly (Hai-me) would be out of place. Wait, is Jaime not supposed to be pronounced like Jamie? Cause that's that I've been saying it in my head while reading the books, anything else just seems weird :S | ||
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panicz
Poland3 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
Mod Edit: removed quote | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On April 04 2013 02:26 TrickyGilligan wrote: Sean Bean was all about honor and duty... and look where that got him. I think it's safe to say that realpolitik is one of the themes of the show, and it goes out of it's way repeatedly to show that traditional values have no place in the harsh reality of King's Landing. That said, I think the Stark children are for the most part pretty innocent, which could explain why bad things keep happening to them. I have nothing but sympathy for Sansa and Arya. I don't have all that much sympathy for Sansa. She was so anxious to be rushed off and married to Jauffre just so that she could be queen, even though he is clearly a prick. Then in the episode with the butcher's son she just keeps silent and doesn't side with Arya (By far the coolest character in the show) even though Arya was clearly right. Arya and Bran are the two I feel bad for...and I guess the youngest Stark even though I don't know anything about him, including his name... | ||
AltaiR_
Korea (South)922 Posts
On April 04 2013 07:29 Excludos wrote: I think it was handled perfectly. I can't talk about the books in here, but I can safely say we did not read the same chapter.. Charles Dance specifically says he did not read the books nor will he to improve the character. Regardless of that and coming off of looking as a nice guy with Arya, he's still doing a great job portraying Tywin and his disappointment at Tyrion. | ||
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brian
United States9644 Posts
On April 04 2013 07:34 Chewbacca. wrote: I don't have all that much sympathy for Sansa. She was so anxious to be rushed off and married to Jauffre just so that she could be queen, even though he is clearly a prick. Then in the episode with the butcher's son she just keeps silent and doesn't side with Arya (By far the coolest character in the show) even though Arya was clearly right. Arya and Bran are the two I feel bad for...and I guess the youngest Stark even though I don't know anything about him, including his name... He was just a spoiled prick at that point, and heir to the throne. That's nothing something easily held against her. At the time, he hadn't done anything more than scream his name and his rights, much like Daenerys. And it's Jaime. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On April 04 2013 06:52 Mataru wrote: Wait, is Jaime not supposed to be pronounced like Jamie? Cause that's that I've been saying it in my head while reading the books, anything else just seems weird :S Jaime is essentially the Spanish version of Jamie/James, so yea. Roy Dotrice pronounces it as 'Jamie' with a hard J sound. There's a lot of inconsistencies in the name pronunciations, especially the Northern names, so I wouldn't worry about it. On April 04 2013 05:34 IamVirGin wrote: Yeah, the Starks (including J. Snow) seem like good people across the board, more or less. I expect at least half of them to die, and the rest to suffer. Renly also seemed like a decently good guy and he too died. I get wolf in sheepskin wibe from both the Tyrells. I don't know about Renly. He seemed more like the type to want to be king for the sake of being king even though Stannis Baratheon is the rightful king and heir. | ||
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