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On May 16 2012 05:10 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 03:14 Mercy13 wrote:On May 16 2012 02:04 killa_robot wrote:On May 15 2012 22:50 Mercy13 wrote:On May 15 2012 19:37 Emix_Squall wrote:On May 15 2012 17:28 Talack wrote:
Jaime, Cersei and Joffery are the bad guys. I would agree on Cersei and Joffrey but as far as Jaime is concerned, I found his character strangely fascinating in this episode. Maybe it was because we hadn't seen him for quite a few episodes but the all talk he had with the squire boy in his cage .... all that leading to what we see him doing is pretty amazing. He has this kind of unique lucidity in the show making him really interesting. As we see when he's talking about how pointless vows are, he is perfectly conscious of everything going on, and clearly explained he had to make the choice to protect what he considered to be the most important thing out of all his potential duties. It might be a bit of a cynical vision but he is probably the most down to earth character, which I think is really interesting in this world where most influential characters are leaving on dreams, assumptions and future possibilities (want to be king, should be king, should be free, should claim what's hers etc ....). On the Bran and Rickon chapter, I think Theon already started to gain trust from his men with several actions. IMO, what happened after the Grandmaester of Winterfell was sent back there from the farm is that Theon and his men tortured the farmer to tell them where they went, he resisted so he basically tortured his child in front of him to make him talk. The guy might or might not have spoken (and he might or might not have known anything about their destination) but anyway his kids were tortured and Theon probably decided he could use those bodies as a warning to the people of Winterfell. Considering Bran, Rickon, Hodor and the woman were probably gone from that farm, it would not lower his men esteem to use other bodies pretending they are the Stark kids, especially when these bodies are used in such a cruel fashion which Greyjoys seem to affectionate. He probably still got a few men chasing the Stark boys though. Jaime is a much more sympathetic character when you consider his past. I think when he was younger he was a much more "honorable" person, who was constantly thrust into positions where there were no good decisions to make. He loved Cersei, but wasn't suppose to... you know. He had to stand by while King Aeres did horrific things to people. He was ordered by his father (maybe?) to kill Aeres finally, even though by doing so he broke his vow to protect the king. Given these events, I don't think it's too surprising that he turned out incredibly cynical, especially with someone as ruthless as Tywin for a father. Also, I think his comment about only ever sleeping with Cersei was interesting. He is more faithful to her than Robert ever was. IMO the only truley evil characters in the show are Joffrey and Gregor Clegane, and maybe Theon. The rest of the characters all have significant redeeming qualities, esp. Jaime! Ruthless to others maybe, but not to his children. Remember how Tywin talked to Arya about how he spent like 3 hours every day teaching Jaime to read? He has high expectations of his children, but he treats them way better than anyone else. In their world pretty much everyone has had to see terrible things, that's hardly a reason for them turning "evil". Jaime says several times that killing is the only thing he is good at, and that he would be useless at anything else. It's not as though he's simply the product of his past. He WANTS to kill others. Hell, if you watch interviews from the crew they say themselves that while Jaime is an interesting(even likeable) character, there is no arguing that he is a psychotic murderer. Being able to stay cool under pressure and being able to back talk like a boss aren't exactly redeeming qualities, they just make him seem cool. I def. agree with your last paragraph, but those weren't the qualities I was referring to. Jaime is kind to Tyrion and has always been loyal to Cersei. I'm not arguing that he's a good guy, just "sympathetic" once you look at things from his point of view. I also disagree that he wants to kill others. He enjoys fighting, and will certainly not hesitate to kill, but he would not kill at random or for pure enjoyment (*coughjoffreycough*). And as for Tywin not being ruthless to his children... do you remember the story about Tyrion and his wife? Don't judge his parenting skills just based off that one anecdote about teaching Jaime to read. I think people are judging Tywin too kindly because of the grandfatherly scenes he has with Arya. In that same scene we see him terrorizing his own soldiers and ordering Clegane to rape and murder the surrounding farm communities. He killed his cousin to escape, when he could have just as easily told his cousin to scream and then play dead, as the only reason for killing him was to get the guard to enter the cell. He made the choice to kill him rather than to not. You can't really judge Tywin's parenting style for Cersei or Jaime based on what he did with Tyrion. Both he and Cersei hate Tyrion for killing Joanna (Tywin's wife and Cersei's mother), and they aren't exactly subtle about it. You can feel sympathy for all the characters in the series, even Jofferey. Jofferey was pretty much handed everything in life, and was constantly told he was great and would one day be king. That sort of upbringing would turn most people into what he became.
Why do you think Jaime hates Tyrion? I mean i'm sure he wasn't happy about it, but I think they're pretty cordial (other than some jabs in episode 2).
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On May 16 2012 09:05 Rhine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 05:10 killa_robot wrote:On May 16 2012 03:14 Mercy13 wrote:On May 16 2012 02:04 killa_robot wrote:On May 15 2012 22:50 Mercy13 wrote:On May 15 2012 19:37 Emix_Squall wrote:On May 15 2012 17:28 Talack wrote:
Jaime, Cersei and Joffery are the bad guys. I would agree on Cersei and Joffrey but as far as Jaime is concerned, I found his character strangely fascinating in this episode. Maybe it was because we hadn't seen him for quite a few episodes but the all talk he had with the squire boy in his cage .... all that leading to what we see him doing is pretty amazing. He has this kind of unique lucidity in the show making him really interesting. As we see when he's talking about how pointless vows are, he is perfectly conscious of everything going on, and clearly explained he had to make the choice to protect what he considered to be the most important thing out of all his potential duties. It might be a bit of a cynical vision but he is probably the most down to earth character, which I think is really interesting in this world where most influential characters are leaving on dreams, assumptions and future possibilities (want to be king, should be king, should be free, should claim what's hers etc ....). On the Bran and Rickon chapter, I think Theon already started to gain trust from his men with several actions. IMO, what happened after the Grandmaester of Winterfell was sent back there from the farm is that Theon and his men tortured the farmer to tell them where they went, he resisted so he basically tortured his child in front of him to make him talk. The guy might or might not have spoken (and he might or might not have known anything about their destination) but anyway his kids were tortured and Theon probably decided he could use those bodies as a warning to the people of Winterfell. Considering Bran, Rickon, Hodor and the woman were probably gone from that farm, it would not lower his men esteem to use other bodies pretending they are the Stark kids, especially when these bodies are used in such a cruel fashion which Greyjoys seem to affectionate. He probably still got a few men chasing the Stark boys though. Jaime is a much more sympathetic character when you consider his past. I think when he was younger he was a much more "honorable" person, who was constantly thrust into positions where there were no good decisions to make. He loved Cersei, but wasn't suppose to... you know. He had to stand by while King Aeres did horrific things to people. He was ordered by his father (maybe?) to kill Aeres finally, even though by doing so he broke his vow to protect the king. Given these events, I don't think it's too surprising that he turned out incredibly cynical, especially with someone as ruthless as Tywin for a father. Also, I think his comment about only ever sleeping with Cersei was interesting. He is more faithful to her than Robert ever was. IMO the only truley evil characters in the show are Joffrey and Gregor Clegane, and maybe Theon. The rest of the characters all have significant redeeming qualities, esp. Jaime! Ruthless to others maybe, but not to his children. Remember how Tywin talked to Arya about how he spent like 3 hours every day teaching Jaime to read? He has high expectations of his children, but he treats them way better than anyone else. In their world pretty much everyone has had to see terrible things, that's hardly a reason for them turning "evil". Jaime says several times that killing is the only thing he is good at, and that he would be useless at anything else. It's not as though he's simply the product of his past. He WANTS to kill others. Hell, if you watch interviews from the crew they say themselves that while Jaime is an interesting(even likeable) character, there is no arguing that he is a psychotic murderer. Being able to stay cool under pressure and being able to back talk like a boss aren't exactly redeeming qualities, they just make him seem cool. I def. agree with your last paragraph, but those weren't the qualities I was referring to. Jaime is kind to Tyrion and has always been loyal to Cersei. I'm not arguing that he's a good guy, just "sympathetic" once you look at things from his point of view. I also disagree that he wants to kill others. He enjoys fighting, and will certainly not hesitate to kill, but he would not kill at random or for pure enjoyment (*coughjoffreycough*). And as for Tywin not being ruthless to his children... do you remember the story about Tyrion and his wife? Don't judge his parenting skills just based off that one anecdote about teaching Jaime to read. I think people are judging Tywin too kindly because of the grandfatherly scenes he has with Arya. In that same scene we see him terrorizing his own soldiers and ordering Clegane to rape and murder the surrounding farm communities. He killed his cousin to escape, when he could have just as easily told his cousin to scream and then play dead, as the only reason for killing him was to get the guard to enter the cell. He made the choice to kill him rather than to not. You can't really judge Tywin's parenting style for Cersei or Jaime based on what he did with Tyrion. Both he and Cersei hate Tyrion for killing Joanna (Tywin's wife and Cersei's mother), and they aren't exactly subtle about it. You can feel sympathy for all the characters in the series, even Jofferey. Jofferey was pretty much handed everything in life, and was constantly told he was great and would one day be king. That sort of upbringing would turn most people into what he became. Why do you think Jaime hates Tyrion? I mean i'm sure he wasn't happy about it, but I think they're pretty cordial (other than some jabs in episode 2).
Ya Jaime has only shown like for Tyrion and on top of that was the first to act on hearing the news on Tyrion being kidnapped.
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On May 16 2012 09:47 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 09:05 Rhine wrote:On May 16 2012 05:10 killa_robot wrote:On May 16 2012 03:14 Mercy13 wrote:On May 16 2012 02:04 killa_robot wrote:On May 15 2012 22:50 Mercy13 wrote:On May 15 2012 19:37 Emix_Squall wrote:On May 15 2012 17:28 Talack wrote:
Jaime, Cersei and Joffery are the bad guys. I would agree on Cersei and Joffrey but as far as Jaime is concerned, I found his character strangely fascinating in this episode. Maybe it was because we hadn't seen him for quite a few episodes but the all talk he had with the squire boy in his cage .... all that leading to what we see him doing is pretty amazing. He has this kind of unique lucidity in the show making him really interesting. As we see when he's talking about how pointless vows are, he is perfectly conscious of everything going on, and clearly explained he had to make the choice to protect what he considered to be the most important thing out of all his potential duties. It might be a bit of a cynical vision but he is probably the most down to earth character, which I think is really interesting in this world where most influential characters are leaving on dreams, assumptions and future possibilities (want to be king, should be king, should be free, should claim what's hers etc ....). On the Bran and Rickon chapter, I think Theon already started to gain trust from his men with several actions. IMO, what happened after the Grandmaester of Winterfell was sent back there from the farm is that Theon and his men tortured the farmer to tell them where they went, he resisted so he basically tortured his child in front of him to make him talk. The guy might or might not have spoken (and he might or might not have known anything about their destination) but anyway his kids were tortured and Theon probably decided he could use those bodies as a warning to the people of Winterfell. Considering Bran, Rickon, Hodor and the woman were probably gone from that farm, it would not lower his men esteem to use other bodies pretending they are the Stark kids, especially when these bodies are used in such a cruel fashion which Greyjoys seem to affectionate. He probably still got a few men chasing the Stark boys though. Jaime is a much more sympathetic character when you consider his past. I think when he was younger he was a much more "honorable" person, who was constantly thrust into positions where there were no good decisions to make. He loved Cersei, but wasn't suppose to... you know. He had to stand by while King Aeres did horrific things to people. He was ordered by his father (maybe?) to kill Aeres finally, even though by doing so he broke his vow to protect the king. Given these events, I don't think it's too surprising that he turned out incredibly cynical, especially with someone as ruthless as Tywin for a father. Also, I think his comment about only ever sleeping with Cersei was interesting. He is more faithful to her than Robert ever was. IMO the only truley evil characters in the show are Joffrey and Gregor Clegane, and maybe Theon. The rest of the characters all have significant redeeming qualities, esp. Jaime! Ruthless to others maybe, but not to his children. Remember how Tywin talked to Arya about how he spent like 3 hours every day teaching Jaime to read? He has high expectations of his children, but he treats them way better than anyone else. In their world pretty much everyone has had to see terrible things, that's hardly a reason for them turning "evil". Jaime says several times that killing is the only thing he is good at, and that he would be useless at anything else. It's not as though he's simply the product of his past. He WANTS to kill others. Hell, if you watch interviews from the crew they say themselves that while Jaime is an interesting(even likeable) character, there is no arguing that he is a psychotic murderer. Being able to stay cool under pressure and being able to back talk like a boss aren't exactly redeeming qualities, they just make him seem cool. I def. agree with your last paragraph, but those weren't the qualities I was referring to. Jaime is kind to Tyrion and has always been loyal to Cersei. I'm not arguing that he's a good guy, just "sympathetic" once you look at things from his point of view. I also disagree that he wants to kill others. He enjoys fighting, and will certainly not hesitate to kill, but he would not kill at random or for pure enjoyment (*coughjoffreycough*). And as for Tywin not being ruthless to his children... do you remember the story about Tyrion and his wife? Don't judge his parenting skills just based off that one anecdote about teaching Jaime to read. I think people are judging Tywin too kindly because of the grandfatherly scenes he has with Arya. In that same scene we see him terrorizing his own soldiers and ordering Clegane to rape and murder the surrounding farm communities. He killed his cousin to escape, when he could have just as easily told his cousin to scream and then play dead, as the only reason for killing him was to get the guard to enter the cell. He made the choice to kill him rather than to not. You can't really judge Tywin's parenting style for Cersei or Jaime based on what he did with Tyrion. Both he and Cersei hate Tyrion for killing Joanna (Tywin's wife and Cersei's mother), and they aren't exactly subtle about it. You can feel sympathy for all the characters in the series, even Jofferey. Jofferey was pretty much handed everything in life, and was constantly told he was great and would one day be king. That sort of upbringing would turn most people into what he became. Why do you think Jaime hates Tyrion? I mean i'm sure he wasn't happy about it, but I think they're pretty cordial (other than some jabs in episode 2). Ya Jaime has only shown like for Tyrion and on top of that was the first to act on hearing the news on Tyrion being kidnapped.
yeah, jaime loves his brother even tho he doesnt show it :3
and same goes for tyrion, he's willing to trade sansa and arya (even tho he doesnt have arya) for jaime. although it is an advantage to the lannisters but at least tyrion is thinking about saving jaime compared to what cersei/joffrey been doing
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On May 16 2012 09:05 Rhine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 05:10 killa_robot wrote:On May 16 2012 03:14 Mercy13 wrote:On May 16 2012 02:04 killa_robot wrote:On May 15 2012 22:50 Mercy13 wrote:On May 15 2012 19:37 Emix_Squall wrote:On May 15 2012 17:28 Talack wrote:
Jaime, Cersei and Joffery are the bad guys. I would agree on Cersei and Joffrey but as far as Jaime is concerned, I found his character strangely fascinating in this episode. Maybe it was because we hadn't seen him for quite a few episodes but the all talk he had with the squire boy in his cage .... all that leading to what we see him doing is pretty amazing. He has this kind of unique lucidity in the show making him really interesting. As we see when he's talking about how pointless vows are, he is perfectly conscious of everything going on, and clearly explained he had to make the choice to protect what he considered to be the most important thing out of all his potential duties. It might be a bit of a cynical vision but he is probably the most down to earth character, which I think is really interesting in this world where most influential characters are leaving on dreams, assumptions and future possibilities (want to be king, should be king, should be free, should claim what's hers etc ....). On the Bran and Rickon chapter, I think Theon already started to gain trust from his men with several actions. IMO, what happened after the Grandmaester of Winterfell was sent back there from the farm is that Theon and his men tortured the farmer to tell them where they went, he resisted so he basically tortured his child in front of him to make him talk. The guy might or might not have spoken (and he might or might not have known anything about their destination) but anyway his kids were tortured and Theon probably decided he could use those bodies as a warning to the people of Winterfell. Considering Bran, Rickon, Hodor and the woman were probably gone from that farm, it would not lower his men esteem to use other bodies pretending they are the Stark kids, especially when these bodies are used in such a cruel fashion which Greyjoys seem to affectionate. He probably still got a few men chasing the Stark boys though. Jaime is a much more sympathetic character when you consider his past. I think when he was younger he was a much more "honorable" person, who was constantly thrust into positions where there were no good decisions to make. He loved Cersei, but wasn't suppose to... you know. He had to stand by while King Aeres did horrific things to people. He was ordered by his father (maybe?) to kill Aeres finally, even though by doing so he broke his vow to protect the king. Given these events, I don't think it's too surprising that he turned out incredibly cynical, especially with someone as ruthless as Tywin for a father. Also, I think his comment about only ever sleeping with Cersei was interesting. He is more faithful to her than Robert ever was. IMO the only truley evil characters in the show are Joffrey and Gregor Clegane, and maybe Theon. The rest of the characters all have significant redeeming qualities, esp. Jaime! Ruthless to others maybe, but not to his children. Remember how Tywin talked to Arya about how he spent like 3 hours every day teaching Jaime to read? He has high expectations of his children, but he treats them way better than anyone else. In their world pretty much everyone has had to see terrible things, that's hardly a reason for them turning "evil". Jaime says several times that killing is the only thing he is good at, and that he would be useless at anything else. It's not as though he's simply the product of his past. He WANTS to kill others. Hell, if you watch interviews from the crew they say themselves that while Jaime is an interesting(even likeable) character, there is no arguing that he is a psychotic murderer. Being able to stay cool under pressure and being able to back talk like a boss aren't exactly redeeming qualities, they just make him seem cool. I def. agree with your last paragraph, but those weren't the qualities I was referring to. Jaime is kind to Tyrion and has always been loyal to Cersei. I'm not arguing that he's a good guy, just "sympathetic" once you look at things from his point of view. I also disagree that he wants to kill others. He enjoys fighting, and will certainly not hesitate to kill, but he would not kill at random or for pure enjoyment (*coughjoffreycough*). And as for Tywin not being ruthless to his children... do you remember the story about Tyrion and his wife? Don't judge his parenting skills just based off that one anecdote about teaching Jaime to read. I think people are judging Tywin too kindly because of the grandfatherly scenes he has with Arya. In that same scene we see him terrorizing his own soldiers and ordering Clegane to rape and murder the surrounding farm communities. He killed his cousin to escape, when he could have just as easily told his cousin to scream and then play dead, as the only reason for killing him was to get the guard to enter the cell. He made the choice to kill him rather than to not. You can't really judge Tywin's parenting style for Cersei or Jaime based on what he did with Tyrion. Both he and Cersei hate Tyrion for killing Joanna (Tywin's wife and Cersei's mother), and they aren't exactly subtle about it. You can feel sympathy for all the characters in the series, even Jofferey. Jofferey was pretty much handed everything in life, and was constantly told he was great and would one day be king. That sort of upbringing would turn most people into what he became. Why do you think Jaime hates Tyrion? I mean i'm sure he wasn't happy about it, but I think they're pretty cordial (other than some jabs in episode 2).
I said Tywin and Cersei hate Tyrion lol.
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I Don't think theon can fall off the crazy train that fast. Though he is head chopping worthy anyways. And the kid/girl agreed that stopping at that town would be a mistake. They probably just climbed over the walls and passed though which explains the wallnut inside.
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I have a few questions
Robb is going to the place to accept a surrender from the enemies or to surrender? Probably the latter right?
And why was the Lannister boy imprisoned in the 1st place? I thought he was just a messenger?
Oh, and why did Jorah get asked "Will you betray her again? " When did he betray her in the 1st place?
On a side note, the new Wildling girl is not only annoying but ugly...I don't see why you guys are drooling over her, she's below average in my eyes
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On May 16 2012 18:35 GhostOwl wrote:
I have a few questions
Robb is going to the place to accept a surrender from the enemies or to surrender? Probably the latter right?
And why was the Lannister boy imprisoned in the 1st place? I thought he was just a messenger?
Oh, and why did Jorah get asked "Will you betray her again? " When did he betray her in the 1st place?
On a side note, the new Wildling girl is not only annoying but ugly...I don't see why you guys are drooling over her, she's below average in my eyes
Yes Robb is going to accept the surrender of the crag. Not sure if they explained why the boy was put in the cell with Jaime. Jorah played informer for Varys in the beginning, and sent him letters about Daenerys being pregnant, but stopped after the merchant dude tried to poison her.
Oh and Ygritte is awesome,
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On May 16 2012 18:35 GhostOwl wrote:
On a side note, the new Wildling girl is not only annoying but ugly...I don't see why you guys are drooling over her, she's below average in my eyes
Alot of nerds and younger viewers can identify with the situation john is in.
Beeing a virgin and inexperienced man, closely together with a woman who is obviously more experienced than him and making naughty remarks about sex all the time and even rubbing her ass against his dick during the night....
Its a wild(ling) fantasy for alot of young men! 
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On May 16 2012 18:55 chroniX wrote:Alot of nerds and younger viewers can identify with the situation john is in. Beeing a virgin and inexperienced man, closely together with a woman who is obviously more experienced than him and making naughty remarks about sex all the time and even rubbing her ass against his dick during the night.... Its a wild(ling) fantasy for alot of young men!
haha in their nerd dreams maybe. Ygritte is pretty goodlooking, if you put her in a dress she will turn some heads definitively. I also like how Brienne has been cast. Is she really that tall or is it just due to the camera angles and other tricks?
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On May 16 2012 18:35 GhostOwl wrote:
Robb is going to the place to accept a surrender from the enemies or to surrender? Probably the latter right?
It's the former. He's still winning the war against Tywin, despite what's happening up in Winterfell. His army had still had victory after victory, the crag, seat of House Westerling (bannermen of the Lannisters) is surrendering to him.
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On May 16 2012 18:35 GhostOwl wrote:
I have a few questions
Robb is going to the place to accept a surrender from the enemies or to surrender? Probably the latter right?
And why was the Lannister boy imprisoned in the 1st place? I thought he was just a messenger?
Oh, and why did Jorah get asked "Will you betray her again? " When did he betray her in the 1st place?
On a side note, the new Wildling girl is not only annoying but ugly...I don't see why you guys are drooling over her, she's below average in my eyes
The cousin was a POW along with Jaime. Robb used him as messenger because his status is neither too high nor too low.
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On May 16 2012 19:15 Flyingdutchman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 18:55 chroniX wrote:Alot of nerds and younger viewers can identify with the situation john is in. Beeing a virgin and inexperienced man, closely together with a woman who is obviously more experienced than him and making naughty remarks about sex all the time and even rubbing her ass against his dick during the night.... Its a wild(ling) fantasy for alot of young men! haha in their nerd dreams maybe. Ygritte is pretty goodlooking, if you put her in a dress she will turn some heads definitively. I also like how Brienne has been cast. Is she really that tall or is it just due to the camera angles and other tricks?
I think it's more that she is playing a sexy character more then the actress's physical appearance.
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On May 16 2012 18:35 GhostOwl wrote:
And why was the Lannister boy imprisoned in the 1st place? I thought he was just a messenger?
Because they had so many war prisoners already that there was no room left for the guy to stay, so they shoved him into the cage for the time being.
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On May 16 2012 18:46 Mataru wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 18:35 GhostOwl wrote:
I have a few questions
Robb is going to the place to accept a surrender from the enemies or to surrender? Probably the latter right?
And why was the Lannister boy imprisoned in the 1st place? I thought he was just a messenger?
Oh, and why did Jorah get asked "Will you betray her again? " When did he betray her in the 1st place?
On a side note, the new Wildling girl is not only annoying but ugly...I don't see why you guys are drooling over her, she's below average in my eyes
Yes Robb is going to accept the surrender of the crag. Not sure if they explained why the boy was put in the cell with Jaime. Jorah played informer for Varys in the beginning, and sent him letters about Daenerys being pregnant, but stopped after the merchant dude tried to poison her. Oh and Ygritte is awesome,
The Lannister boy was, obviously, a Lannister -- he was sent as a messenger to Cersei, but he was still a prisoner, so when he returned they were going to lock him up again, albeit with a warm meal for his services (and a clean cell? forgot if Robb said that). But they had too many prisoners, so they had to put him in with Jaime until they could build a new cell.
And yeah, there were a few people asking about Jorah's first betrayal -- did people not watch the first season, did they not notice, or just forget? -.- He was the one sending information to Varys, which almost got her killed. He only realized she was going to be killed because one of Varys's messengers gave him a pardon so he could return to the seven kingdoms; that's when he decided to protect Daeny instead.
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Why is Jaime the kingslayer?
I thought Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon killed the last king...
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On May 16 2012 19:30 Highways wrote:
Why is Jaime the kingslayer?
I thought Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon killed the last king...
no, Jaime killed the former king. it's not an awesome title btw because Jaime was the kingsguard at that time (vowed to protect the king) but backstabbed him. Upon entering the throne room, Ned saw Jaime sitting at iron throne with the king dead. He wanted Jaime killed because he broke his oath even tho he killed the enemy but robert forgave him and made him one of his kingsguard too :D
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If I were Jaime, I'd have killed Areys Targaryan as well. The mad king was truly an asshole.
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On May 16 2012 19:49 LilClinkin wrote:
If I were Jaime, I'd have killed Areys Targaryan as well. The mad king was truly an asshole.
Edit: my bad, total misunderstanding ... sry
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Jaime, Shae and Bronn are the only people who actually like Tyrion. Them and those who follow the story. There's Jon Snow as well, come to think of it.
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On May 16 2012 20:07 Emix_Squall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2012 19:49 LilClinkin wrote:
If I were Jaime, I'd have killed Areys Targaryan as well. The mad king was truly an asshole. How far can trolling go? Should we still call it trolling when it's actually not funny? So many questions raised ...
What are you talking about lol
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