On May 15 2012 01:33 Aelfric wrote: I think Arya is giving too much to Tywin. He already figured out that her father is not a stone worker. And whoever keeps secrets is a danger to him at this point. She should look and act dumb and ignorant more if she cares about her life. But i guess she started respecting Tywin not only as enemy, as a human being, maybe a friend too. She is playing with fire.
Maybe she could give him something, he does seem to be interested in her boobs. Btw did anyone else think when she was pretending to be a boy that the smock she was wearing made her boobs look really big and standout, i was so surprised no one knew she was a girl
yeah, she's already 15 so her boobs should be develop by now..
Damn, we need to finish the series before the children all grows up loooool
To be fair Tywin is not a "bad guy" like Jaime/Cersei/Joffery
Tywin is basically the one defending his children from the mistakes/decisions they have made. He is not the one who started this war, chopped off neds head, fostered an incesteous child to take the throne or killed many people in cold blood. This was the work of his children and he has an obligation to defend the throne for his grandson now.
On May 15 2012 17:28 Talack wrote: Jaime, Cersei and Joffery are the bad guys.
I would agree on Cersei and Joffrey but as far as Jaime is concerned, I found his character strangely fascinating in this episode. Maybe it was because we hadn't seen him for quite a few episodes but the all talk he had with the squire boy in his cage .... all that leading to what we see him doing is pretty amazing. He has this kind of unique lucidity in the show making him really interesting. As we see when he's talking about how pointless vows are, he is perfectly conscious of everything going on, and clearly explained he had to make the choice to protect what he considered to be the most important thing out of all his potential duties. It might be a bit of a cynical vision but he is probably the most down to earth character, which I think is really interesting in this world where most influential characters are leaving on dreams, assumptions and future possibilities (want to be king, should be king, should be free, should claim what's hers etc ....).
On the Bran and Rickon chapter, I think Theon already started to gain trust from his men with several actions. IMO, what happened after the Grandmaester of Winterfell was sent back there from the farm is that Theon and his men tortured the farmer to tell them where they went, he resisted so he basically tortured his child in front of him to make him talk. The guy might or might not have spoken (and he might or might not have known anything about their destination) but anyway his kids were tortured and Theon probably decided he could use those bodies as a warning to the people of Winterfell. Considering Bran, Rickon, Hodor and the woman were probably gone from that farm, it would not lower his men esteem to use other bodies pretending they are the Stark kids, especially when these bodies are used in such a cruel fashion which Greyjoys seem to affectionate. He probably still got a few men chasing the Stark boys though.
On May 15 2012 17:28 Talack wrote: To be fair Tywin is not a "bad guy" like Jaime/Cersei/Joffery
Tywin is basically the one defending his children from the mistakes/decisions they have made. He is not the one who started this war, chopped off neds head, fostered an incesteous child to take the throne or killed many people in cold blood. This was the work of his children and he has an obligation to defend the throne for his grandson now.
Jaime, Cersei and Joffery are the bad guys.
You realize Tywin sends out the Mountain and others to burn villages and kill and rape civilians right? He is all about shock and terror in his war campaign. He is easily on the level of Stalin for example. Jaime and Cersei are not even close to that.
If you need more personal and close up deeds to consider something "bad", think about what Tywin has done to Tyrion and his whore wife.
On May 15 2012 16:41 Archers_bane wrote: I am kinda sad that I like Tywin because he fed Arya and talks to her nicely -.- But he is the "bad guy"
How is Tywin the bad guy? The Lannisters are the far most interesting characters (all of them) and I usually just sit around wishing for more Lannister screen time. Even if it's Joffrey or Jaime, they might be douchebags with few (or no) redeeming qualities but they still make good TV. I personally root for the Lannisters. I hope Joffrey dies in the war (in a horrible, painful sort of way) but I still hope they win in the end.
Theon's adventures have turned quite interesting as well now, I think. I hope he ends up being skinned alive, (kinda like with Joffrey) but I still think it's interesting to follow him, much unlike Jon and Dany, who have ended up as two quite annoying characters, to be honest, and their storylines don't intruige me at all anymore, unfortunately.
I do hope they bring the Tyrells (particularly the female Tyrell queen whose name escapes me) back. In addition to tits she seemed like a character I could enjoy watching.
Then there is Robb. I like Robb, but he is also quite bland and boring.
On May 15 2012 17:28 Talack wrote: To be fair Tywin is not a "bad guy" like Jaime/Cersei/Joffery
Tywin is basically the one defending his children from the mistakes/decisions they have made. He is not the one who started this war, chopped off neds head, fostered an incesteous child to take the throne or killed many people in cold blood. This was the work of his children and he has an obligation to defend the throne for his grandson now.
Jaime, Cersei and Joffery are the bad guys.
You realize Tywin sends out the Mountain and others to burn villages and kill and rape civilians right? He is all about shock and terror in his war campaign. He is easily on the level of Stalin for example. Jaime and Cersei are not even close to that.
Agreed with that, even though Tywin takes this role of the likeable bad guy since he is being nice with sweet little Arya, I really liked that in this episode we get to see a bit of his dark side. It's pretty obvious he didn't get into his position just by being nice to people, showing the audience what a cold hearted war leader he can be is a good reminder that we should never take any characters only for what is shown of them, but always considering them in the bigger picture.
Tywin is a ruthless bastard, burning villages to send a message. I remember it being said that he had the Targyrian children dragged from their beds and killed when Kings Landing was taken.
But this series has a way of making even ruthless bastards likeable, except Joffrey of course, because he's not just vicious, he's a "vicious idiot" as Tyrion so aptly put it.
On May 15 2012 17:28 Talack wrote: To be fair Tywin is not a "bad guy" like Jaime/Cersei/Joffery
Tywin is basically the one defending his children from the mistakes/decisions they have made. He is not the one who started this war, chopped off neds head, fostered an incesteous child to take the throne or killed many people in cold blood. This was the work of his children and he has an obligation to defend the throne for his grandson now.
Jaime, Cersei and Joffery are the bad guys.
You realize Tywin sends out the Mountain and others to burn villages and kill and rape civilians right? He is all about shock and terror in his war campaign. He is easily on the level of Stalin for example. Jaime and Cersei are not even close to that.
If you need more personal and close up deeds to consider something "bad", think about what Tywin has done to Tyrion and his whore wife.
Does simply having directed attacks on the civilian population puts Tywin on the level of Stalin? Such tactics would have been common in a medieval context, and isn't really substantially different from what the Allies did to Dresden, Tokyo or Nagasaki in the Second World War.
They are all bad guys. The motive in this series is that either you are a ruthless cunt from the get-go or faced with obscene,undeserved adversities you are on your road to become one. The exception to that are the Starks and Sam, lol. And that's talking till now. Who knows what will Rob do when he finds out that his little brothers(fake or not) have being burned alive.
Oh my god I think I'm in love. Love that accent, great interview there.
I hereby declare you my rival, you shall choose a day and place and we shall fight for the woman!
Seriously though, I don't know who the fuck was saying "10 women are hotter than her" in this show is but he should reconsider after seeing her with a proper dress and not looking like a wildling.
On May 15 2012 17:28 Talack wrote: Jaime, Cersei and Joffery are the bad guys.
I would agree on Cersei and Joffrey but as far as Jaime is concerned, I found his character strangely fascinating in this episode. Maybe it was because we hadn't seen him for quite a few episodes but the all talk he had with the squire boy in his cage .... all that leading to what we see him doing is pretty amazing. He has this kind of unique lucidity in the show making him really interesting. As we see when he's talking about how pointless vows are, he is perfectly conscious of everything going on, and clearly explained he had to make the choice to protect what he considered to be the most important thing out of all his potential duties. It might be a bit of a cynical vision but he is probably the most down to earth character, which I think is really interesting in this world where most influential characters are leaving on dreams, assumptions and future possibilities (want to be king, should be king, should be free, should claim what's hers etc ....).
On the Bran and Rickon chapter, I think Theon already started to gain trust from his men with several actions. IMO, what happened after the Grandmaester of Winterfell was sent back there from the farm is that Theon and his men tortured the farmer to tell them where they went, he resisted so he basically tortured his child in front of him to make him talk. The guy might or might not have spoken (and he might or might not have known anything about their destination) but anyway his kids were tortured and Theon probably decided he could use those bodies as a warning to the people of Winterfell. Considering Bran, Rickon, Hodor and the woman were probably gone from that farm, it would not lower his men esteem to use other bodies pretending they are the Stark kids, especially when these bodies are used in such a cruel fashion which Greyjoys seem to affectionate. He probably still got a few men chasing the Stark boys though.
Jaime is a much more sympathetic character when you consider his past. I think when he was younger he was a much more "honorable" person, who was constantly thrust into positions where there were no good decisions to make. He loved Cersei, but wasn't suppose to... you know. He had to stand by while King Aeres did horrific things to people. He was ordered by his father (maybe?) to kill Aeres finally, even though by doing so he broke his vow to protect the king.
Given these events, I don't think it's too surprising that he turned out incredibly cynical, especially with someone as ruthless as Tywin for a father. Also, I think his comment about only ever sleeping with Cersei was interesting. He is more faithful to her than Robert ever was.
IMO the only truley evil characters in the show are Joffrey and Gregor Clegane, and maybe Theon. The rest of the characters all have significant redeeming qualities, esp. Jaime!
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