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VHbb
692 Posts
 For me the Winterfell arc this season was one of the best, not only of this season, but across the whole show. The connection with S1 was very well portrayed, and you can feel the character development. Plus, of course, I am for the Stark more than for LF - dead Stark was kind of a meme in the first seasons !  | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
 We got fake drama between Arya and Sansa and between last episode and this one there was apparently an offscreen talk between Sansa, Bran and Arya to become "a wolf pack" again. Offscreen so we might get fooled for a few seconds this episode, dunno i don't think that's great storytelling. The outcome was that Sansa and Arya finally saw that LF wants to play them, but that was offscreen and with the help of dr branhattan. I really think one has to add weight internally to all of this to be pleased with it, the portrayal itself wasn't well done ?! | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5237 Posts
Wow, tell me something. This entire season was predictable to one degree or another. The story has a very logical way of unfolding. The reveal wasn't supposed to be "oh wow", the reveal was supposed to be "of course". Cersei literally told Tyrion in their exchange what family means to her. But let's go with your view. She can't kill Tyrion, even if she'd rather have him dead, because that would not be good for her, but she could (and should) have killed Jaime because he chose them over her? You're grossly disregarding all of their history. He impregnated her 4 times. You don't just kill off the person you love most because he feels like fighting a greater threat at the moment. She hoped to scare him into staying, that's all she had. And about the NK, there was nothing to show he didn't have anything else in his pocket. Why would he show it before he got to the wall? You want him to reveal his big secret to getting through the wall before he gets to the wall? I'm not saying he had a way actually, but I don't think it's fair to say that you get a dude with 100k zombies marching to the big magical wall so that he'd just be stopped by it, only to get a free dragon 3 seasons later. I get it that you aren't able to reconcile with that, but it's a petty thing to get hung up on imo. | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
dr branhattan. Oh god, thank you. | ||
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Wildsound
United Kingdom144 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
I didn't create it, but i like it a lot as well | ||
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Sent.
Poland9336 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Especially because they didn't make her a total sociopath, that would have worked as well tbh. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On August 29 2017 04:43 Uldridge wrote: To be honest, you should've seen that coming from the previous episode. This was handled like this because they've written an end to Littlefinger and I guess they tried the "The student becomes the master" trope. It was boring, but it was necessary to finally eliminate the last deceptive obstacle from the Starks that has been plaguing them since S1. It was a cathartic moment, done in Northern fashion. Why was the Cersei & Tyrion dialogue horrible? To me only the "So kill me" moment was silly. But then Jaime does it too, so it kind of shows they are more connected as brothers still even after being so long apart. And again, the criticism of style over substance is symptomatic of the all the characters arcs converging. When you have 20+ characters all doing their different thing all facing their own difficulties you get substance, because they offer possibility to let them intertwine in interesting ways. When you literally have 3 great arcs left to show and everyone is together it's going to become a bit more flat. It's all building to the epic stuff now, nearly all of the small petty intrigue is gone, wich lleft with Cersei blowing up the Sept. What makes you think I didn't see the LF death coming? By S6E10 I knew LF would die this season. He really didn't know what he was doing. I'm just surprised it took this long. My main issues with tyrion cersei was the kill me and the random u pregnant. Seeing the wmotion pour out of both of them was pretty good, and overall it wasn't terrible. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5237 Posts
Yeah I didn't like the kill me, but the pregnant was pretty fine. He saw her touch her belly when she was talking about family and protecting it or something. He's a smart imp. But yeah, the KILL ME was pretty over acted I felt haha. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On August 29 2017 05:39 Odoakar wrote: So why setup this dramatic scene with LF if you know if won't mean anything? What is the point of going to all those lenghts these past 3 episode to create something that is supposed to be dramatic, but you admit is not, and is just a filler to facilitate Stark redemption? And regarding Cersei, we are going towards the end of the show. All the actions so far she's been doing have been predicted episodes in advanced. We all knew she'd never accept Dany's proposal and would look for opportunity to betray her. That's why I felt nothing when they 'revealed' she still plans to betray them. But that scene with Jaime sets up 'them or us' scenario. Either you are with me or you are enemy. That's what Cersei is. And she can't accept to some point this from Tyrion and tolerate it. But from Jaime? If at that point she realised Jaime is 'gone' and will not be what she wanted him to be, it would be perfectly in her character to see him not as Lannister anymore, but as an enemy. THe fact you can't look past what the show is showing you, makes me feel you don't know shit about what makes a good show. Also, regarding NK. Nothing at this point they showed us in past 6 seasons hints at NK having powers over magic that was put into the wall. We know wights can't go though the wall (this was book confirmed, but I also think in the show as well), due to the magic CotF put into the wall. We all expect the NK to have either inate power or some artifact of power that would bring down the wall. But he didn't. He gambled on getting a free dragon. Are you seriously upset about Cersei not killing her twin brother, lover and a father of her children ? Obviously she would not kill him. Jaime knew it and that's why he called her bluff. About the NK... Probably just a speculation, but... What if the night king actually knew that the only way of braking the wall is dragon fire ? Then he knew when the dragons will be born and started his march in the right time. Then knew that 'The expendables' mission will happen and that dragon will come to him. "Gamble on getting a dragon" doesn't seem like something that Martin will write. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
On August 29 2017 06:32 Uldridge wrote: It's just my way of saying it was obvious, even though I worded it like that, I didn't mean you specifically, just a general "you should've seen that coming". I guess I worded it badly, my bad. I think they either shoehorned LF in this plot or they tried to lead up to this and they fumbled it pretty hard. It could've been done way better I agree, but overall it was still good. Yeah I didn't like the kill me, but the pregnant was pretty fine. He saw her touch her belly when she was talking about family and protecting it or something. He's a smart imp. But yeah, the KILL ME was pretty over acted I felt haha. And she didn't drink. | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
LF death was expected but not really much of a connection/feeling to it as his story already ran its course. Would have been nice to see a bit more true friction between the Stark sisters but in the end LF underestimated them. As for undead Vyserion, I'm quite sure the Night King had some kind of plan for going through or around the wall without him. He could not have known how the events would've played out that allowed the dragons to come to him, assuming he even knew of their existence. He probably would know about dragons in general and the threat they could pose, hence the spear. Vyserion just sped up the time table by providing a direct means to get through the Wall. The dragons never faced a real threat before and thus weren't being cautious, allowing the Night King to score a hit and bring Vyserion down. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5237 Posts
On August 29 2017 06:46 Godwrath wrote: And she didn't drink. Yes! Now that you mention it, I didn't think about that. I found it weird that she wasn't drinking when watching that scene, because for a second I thought there was poison in there lol. I've been so accustomed to her being the villain that I overlooked the obvious reason she didn't touch that cup. Another thought I had for her not drinking was the resentment for Tyrion. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 29 2017 06:50 Uldridge wrote: Yes! Now that you mention it, I didn't think about that. I found it weird that she wasn't drinking when watching that scene, because for a second I thought there was poison in there lol. I've been so accustomed to her being the villain that I overlooked the obvious reason she didn't touch that cup. I think that is part of the writters plan. That she doesn't drink and you are concerned it might be poison. But in reality, she is pregnant and booze likely makes her sick in the early months(I assume they don't know booze is bad while pregnant) | ||
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
Cersei was using fear and guilt to blind Tyrion while putting on a big show for him. She wants him to discover the pregnancy so he can buy her sudden change of heart. I don't know if this is actually true but I like to think that - she already knew what they where bringing - she knew an aliance right of the bat would be unbelievable - she knew that the noble fool the son of Ned Stark would not accept her offer So she put on a big show with Jamie unknowingly in the supporting role. And they all buy it. And what she gained is the ability to openly march her armies wherever she wants. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
Cersei making a false deal was/is so unbelievably obvious that I can't imagine Tyrion falls for it. Dany/Jon might/will but he definitely should not. Thankfully they didn't make us wait long for that reveal. I swear to the many faced god if Jon and Dany live happily ever after because that's what fans (self included to be honest) want GoT will go down as having the very worst ending of a TV series ever. Tease it as much as you want (Oberyn Martell vs the Mountain showed how good they were at teasing a good guy win then taking it away) but do not allow it!!! | ||
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