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thePunGun
598 Posts
Episode 4 was probably my favorite one, because I just loved seeing the dragons and the Dothraki horde finally being unleashed on unsuspecting Westerosi. My favorite moment was definitely Dany and Jon's awkward, yet hilarious introduction. Liam Cunningham's comedic timing and delivery in that scene is just too damn funny and never gets old.  | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
We got fake drama between Arya and Sansa all season. The conclusion was quite good, but the plot as a whole was not great, because the drama was never believable. The whole Sansa-Littlefinger conversation I sat there yelling that she was being stupid, because Arya had had the chance to kill her and actually take her face... and hadn't done that. It was some acting by Sansa, showing us she played the game better than Littlefinger now, but there was no point in that dialogue except for misleading the audience. As with a lot of the Winterfell drama: they selectively chose conversations to make it seem both Arya and Sansa were incredibly dumb, while leaving out the bits where they actually discussed their plan and how LF was trying to pit them against one another... until the reveal. And despite it being predictable, the reveal was well done. But the arc itself was bad. Cersei wight reveal was fine. Nothing unexpected here. Pointless mission beyond the wall was still pointless. Turns out it all ends with Cersei doing exactly what all the viewers everywhere predicted: quibble, eventually "agree" just to betray her promise the first chance she got. Tyrion-Cersei convo was underwhelming. Jaime-Cersei was a highlight of the season. But.once again: an expected conclusion to a bizarre story arc, whose only point seems to have been to gift Sindragosa to the night king. Speaking of Sindragosa: more hurried writing meant we still have no idea what the night king's Plan A for bringing down the wall was. Which makes the whole thing a bit weird. There are two possibilities: (1) he can see the future. This has all the usual problems with time travel and would just be bad. But then he knew his enemies would be incredibly stupid and send the A-team to capture a wight, he would then trap them and dragons would come, so he could magic ice spear one of them. He would then let the heroes escape, because they will serve him again in the further future. Herpderp. All stupidity explained away with a (it was foretold) trope. Something GRRM tries desperately to avoid, so... bad. Option (2) he has the Horn of Joramun and just chose to use his frost wyrm, because cooler visuals. This is an option for the books, but the show cut out the whole Horn of Joramun thing, so not really an option. Option (3) they never had a plan A in the first place and were simply hoping for a lucky break, which they got. None of these is very satisfying at all. They have season 8 to explain it, but I don't really see that happening. Sam and Bran putting the pieces together, juxtaposed with some sexy time with aunty dragonqueen was some weird editing. While Tagaryens have a history of incest, I thought Dany wanted to break the wheel, not keep it spinning. We'll see where this drama leads in the next season of Days of our Thrones. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1497581370/74px-Infernal_preigniter.gif_400x400.png) Always been my favourite upgrade. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
It was my last favorite monday till 2019  | ||
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brian
United States9644 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
or you mean he had to suffer like Cersei loves to do with her enemies? | ||
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brian
United States9644 Posts
also, i feel like theon really should've died there. i think it would've been the right reminder that shit isn't fair here. and i think it would've so perfectly fit his character. every large event in his life was fueled by fairly good intentions leading ultimately to an enormous failure. so he gets his spirits lifted and a nice pep talk from Jon. gets his metaphorical balls and goes to save his sister, and just gets savagely beaten to death and left on the shore to die. missed opportunity for me, as cruel as it sounds. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On August 29 2017 23:52 brian wrote: i don't know what you're asking. also, i feel like theon really should've died there. i think it would've been the right reminder that shit isn't fair here. and i think it would've so perfectly fit his character. every large event in his life was fueled by fairly good intentions leading ultimately to an enormous failure. so he gets his spirits lifted and a nice pep talk from Jon. gets his metaphorical balls and goes to save his sister, and just gets savagely beaten to death and left on the shore to die. missed opportunity for me, as cruel as it sounds. I don't think D&D know what to do with Theon.. they keep reeking him and pulling him out. Like he's out, keep him that way. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1970 Posts
Cersei tells the Mountain, who is a great listener, that she will attack the remaining forces of the living with that great army of Olliephants and stuff and she will finally win. And the audience will be like OMG, without help, they will so die to the Nights King alone. They can't take the golden company as well. And then they will show the boats coming and all looks grim. Everyone gasps. Yara and Theon then jump from the boats and the mercenaries win the fight. They need a surprise army, it's the one thing they know. The real stupidity of the Cersei plotline is, in my opinion, the idea that anybody would fight for her at this point. The first thing the Golden Company would do if they hear that the enemy they are supposed to take down is currently fighting for the survival of Westeros is leave or fight with them. Only a crazy person would stay in Kingslanding and hope for the best and the whole Lannister army leadership knows of the dead. The Bank has no interest in supporting Cersei against the dead. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1838 Posts
So they were in KL, they agree a shaky alliance with Lannisters and instead of arranging for Yara to be freed, they all go away and now Theon and his band are preparing to go to KL and kill Lannisters, which they are kinda allied to now... | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
I felt it would of been more compelling than him making a retarded rescue attempt for Yara. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9336 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On August 29 2017 23:52 brian wrote: i don't know what you're asking. also, i feel like theon really should've died there. i think it would've been the right reminder that shit isn't fair here. and i think it would've so perfectly fit his character. every large event in his life was fueled by fairly good intentions leading ultimately to an enormous failure. so he gets his spirits lifted and a nice pep talk from Jon. gets his metaphorical balls and goes to save his sister, and just gets savagely beaten to death and left on the shore to die. missed opportunity for me, as cruel as it sounds. I feel so bad for Theon. He's by far the most pathetic character in the show as well as one of the most complex. The embodiment of just how unjust this world is. That said, I agree. If this were one of the earlier seasons where they weren't afraid to pull any punches I might have expected it. Like, right after he's done winning the fight as he's walking to the boat exhausted and victorious, he just gets an axe in the back of the head by one of the other Ironborn xD. | ||
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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
On August 30 2017 00:45 Broetchenholer wrote: Cersei tells the Mountain, who is a great listener, that she will attack the remaining forces of the living with that great army of Olliephants and stuff and she will finally win. And the audience will be like OMG, without help, they will so die to the Nights King alone. They can't take the golden company as well. And then they will show the boats coming and all looks grim. Everyone gasps. Yara and Theon then jump from the boats and the mercenaries win the fight. They need a surprise army, it's the one thing they know. I can totally see that coming, similar to lord of the rings where aragorn came with the boats | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
Would be interesting to see how Dany explains him how she burnt his Dad and younger bro :D | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On August 30 2017 01:55 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I feel so bad for Theon. He's by far the most pathetic character in the show as well as one of the most complex. The embodiment of just how unjust this world is. That said, I agree. If this were one of the earlier seasons where they weren't afraid to pull any punches I might have expected it. Like, right after he's done winning the fight as he's walking to the boat exhausted and victorious, he just gets an axe in the back of the head by one of the other Ironborn xD. The series is cruel, but it's never been nihilistic (like say the Walking Dead is). When prominent characters die it tends to serves a strong purpose narratively. Robert, The Red Wedding, Ned's execution, Selmy, Lysa, Renly, etc. all serve a noticeable reason for their death and happens at the conclusion of some sort of character arc (or roughly the conclusion). I don't know if there's any prominent character that's just randomly killed off when it seemed like they had some big character development/change in progress and then not had that death result in massive plot implications. Maybe it sounds uh arbitrary but I don't know, it seems clear when comparing the Walking Dead vs Game of Thrones. Like TWD will kill off characters where the plot implications of that character missing don't extend beyond the current episode and will happen even as a character is building up a new character arc or progressing emotionally. ---- LF I see why they did it like they did (time for one) and I'm mostly ok with it, but I would have liked to seen it developed a bit more into something more climatic. It would have been nice if Sansa and LF had to develop an actual scheme and plot together to catch out Littlefinger. Something like Sansa needed to scheme with LF to get better access to the Knights of the Vale or access to gold. Basically something where it seems like LF is in the middle of a concrete and dangerous plan when he's cut down rather than some mundane plot of pitting the Starks against each other. Even if LF's plot succeeded he would have gotten Arya jailed (or killed) and had people throw their support behind Sansa which at this point wouldn't really have done anything. Especially for viewers since we know the wall is coming down and the army of the dead is real. So from a plot point if Sansa does take over the North she's going to... do the exact same thing Jon would have done? Scary! | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
On August 30 2017 02:15 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: So Dany and Jon going Winterfell where Sam (the last heir of Hornhill) already waiting. Would be interesting to see how Dany explains him how she burnt his Dad and younger bro :D Pretty sure Sam hated his dad. His brother he might be upset about. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On August 30 2017 02:33 Acrofales wrote: Pretty sure Sam hated his dad. His brother he might be upset about. I'm more interested in what Bran might have to say to Dany and Jon. Though I think the chances of everyone being at Winterfel at any point in time is pretty slim. I'd expect something like the Neck to be where the defense against the dead happens. | ||
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