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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
August 30 2017 01:57 GMT
#33961
Preston Jacobs already has his parody/snark video out



The only upside to a shitty GoT episode is that the shittier it is, the funnier his videos are.
Bora Pain minha porra!
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-30 02:01:40
August 30 2017 02:00 GMT
#33962
On August 30 2017 10:51 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2017 10:10 Shock710 wrote:
On August 30 2017 09:38 Nakajin wrote:
On August 30 2017 09:25 Spaylz wrote:
The Wall's magic is intended to keep out the dead and the White Walkers. So, the dead cannot cross it. Supposedly it extends beyond the Wall, to the sea on the side.

That being said, without a dragon, in the show the Night King would have no way of getting past the Wall. In the books there are other possible means, but it's a moot point now. The only "good" explanation would be that the Night King has seer abilities, but even then it's flimsy because the whole reason for the raid north of the Wall is still, to this day, incredibly stupid.


Was it ever said in the show that the wall had that kind of magic?
I just assume that wasn't a thing in the show only in the book, John and company were certain that the dead were gonna pass the wall, I just assume the dragon make quicker work of it.

I remember the youtube history's of game of thrones that the wall was built with the chlidren of the forrest and the first men so there was some kind of imbued magic in its construction, i cant remember if anyone has said that the wall cant be crossed by the undead, i doubt it works like disintergrating field where if u pass it u die because that wight they brought back definitely had to cross the wall somehow without dying. I personally think its just meant to be super strong and the magic makes it resilient to some attacks thay would normally destroy it but dragon fire trumps it.

I dont think the characters in the show even know if the wall has any magical properties especially undead killing ones so when they see the army of the dead marching. I dont think their logic is hey lets do nothing because 1000s of years ago they didnt manage to break the wall.

I still wonder what his plan was without the dragon, just sucide a million soldiers at the wall???

I dislike the farseer theory


Just bust the door? Or climb the wall even, there was like a couple dozens of man at the wall.
You can't say that there is magic protecting the wall in the show if they didn't tell it in the show, they can change whatever they want, it's their story. Anyway it's not very important they chose the dragon route, and for one I don't really care with that particular plot point.


From the show wiki:


Benjen eventually escorts Bran and Meera to the weirwood tree nearby the Wall. When asked by Meera why he cannot travel any further south, Benjen explains that ancient spells carved into the foundation of the Wall prevent the dead from passing through it. Benjen says he will continue to fight for the living as long as he can, before departing


http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/The_Winds_of_Winter
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
August 30 2017 02:02 GMT
#33963
On August 30 2017 11:00 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2017 10:51 Nakajin wrote:
On August 30 2017 10:10 Shock710 wrote:
On August 30 2017 09:38 Nakajin wrote:
On August 30 2017 09:25 Spaylz wrote:
The Wall's magic is intended to keep out the dead and the White Walkers. So, the dead cannot cross it. Supposedly it extends beyond the Wall, to the sea on the side.

That being said, without a dragon, in the show the Night King would have no way of getting past the Wall. In the books there are other possible means, but it's a moot point now. The only "good" explanation would be that the Night King has seer abilities, but even then it's flimsy because the whole reason for the raid north of the Wall is still, to this day, incredibly stupid.


Was it ever said in the show that the wall had that kind of magic?
I just assume that wasn't a thing in the show only in the book, John and company were certain that the dead were gonna pass the wall, I just assume the dragon make quicker work of it.

I remember the youtube history's of game of thrones that the wall was built with the chlidren of the forrest and the first men so there was some kind of imbued magic in its construction, i cant remember if anyone has said that the wall cant be crossed by the undead, i doubt it works like disintergrating field where if u pass it u die because that wight they brought back definitely had to cross the wall somehow without dying. I personally think its just meant to be super strong and the magic makes it resilient to some attacks thay would normally destroy it but dragon fire trumps it.

I dont think the characters in the show even know if the wall has any magical properties especially undead killing ones so when they see the army of the dead marching. I dont think their logic is hey lets do nothing because 1000s of years ago they didnt manage to break the wall.

I still wonder what his plan was without the dragon, just sucide a million soldiers at the wall???

I dislike the farseer theory


Just bust the door? Or climb the wall even, there was like a couple dozens of man at the wall.
You can't say that there is magic protecting the wall in the show if they didn't tell it in the show, they can change whatever they want, it's their story. Anyway it's not very important they chose the dragon route, and for one I don't really care with that particular plot point.


From the show wiki:

Show nested quote +

Benjen eventually escorts Bran and Meera to the weirwood tree nearby the Wall. When asked by Meera why he cannot travel any further south, Benjen explains that ancient spells carved into the foundation of the Wall prevent the dead from passing through it. Benjen says he will continue to fight for the living as long as he can, before departing


http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/The_Winds_of_Winter


Well never mind!
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18207 Posts
August 30 2017 07:26 GMT
#33964
On August 30 2017 10:57 Sbrubbles wrote:
Preston Jacobs already has his parody/snark video out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqj_GvdP1TE

The only upside to a shitty GoT episode is that the shittier it is, the funnier his videos are.

"Hello everybody, I'm Preston Jacobs, and I'm here to give you a course on how to be a pompous dick on the internet!'

<make funny foice>
"But aren't there enough assholes on the internet already?"

<normal voice>
"I know, I know, but I'm so full of myself, I just can't help it"
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
August 30 2017 08:10 GMT
#33965
On August 30 2017 09:38 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2017 09:25 Spaylz wrote:
The Wall's magic is intended to keep out the dead and the White Walkers. So, the dead cannot cross it. Supposedly it extends beyond the Wall, to the sea on the side.

That being said, without a dragon, in the show the Night King would have no way of getting past the Wall. In the books there are other possible means, but it's a moot point now. The only "good" explanation would be that the Night King has seer abilities, but even then it's flimsy because the whole reason for the raid north of the Wall is still, to this day, incredibly stupid.


Was it ever said in the show that the wall had that kind of magic?
I just assume that wasn't a thing in the show only in the book, John and company were certain that the dead were gonna pass the wall, I just assume the dragon make quicker work of it.


I think Benjen mentions it when he returns as a not-quite-dead ranger?

Yep, there it is. So even the show has established that the dead cannot pass the Wall.
I like words.
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-30 09:50:46
August 30 2017 09:49 GMT
#33966
I'm assuming it means they cannot pass an intact Wall by just climbing over it or something mundane like that. Which means it's weird that the zombie that was brought to Cersei made it there in the first place. Maybe the magic was smart enough to allow exceptions if the zombie is forced beyond the Wall by the living. It's magic so anything is possible really.

In any case, it makes sense that a giant hole made into the Wall by a dragon would nullify the magic in that section as well.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-30 10:11:17
August 30 2017 10:07 GMT
#33967
The show established that the wall has magical properties that prevents the dead from passing, but it also established that dragons have magical properties too. Form that standpoint I don't see a problem that Viserion with the blue hellion upgrade was able to burn a piece of it down, but the questions still remains: how the hell did the avengers brought that wight back to KL. Its possible I guess that they simply used a ship to go around the wall near Eastwatch. I have a problem with the events leading up to that though, it was all too convenient. In fact all the events in S7 were all too convenient and predictable, which is why most people complain in the first place.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
August 30 2017 10:21 GMT
#33968
The first zombie Jon sees is also in Castle Black. Not beyond the wall
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
August 30 2017 10:58 GMT
#33969
On August 30 2017 16:26 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2017 10:57 Sbrubbles wrote:
Preston Jacobs already has his parody/snark video out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqj_GvdP1TE

The only upside to a shitty GoT episode is that the shittier it is, the funnier his videos are.

"Hello everybody, I'm Preston Jacobs, and I'm here to give you a course on how to be a pompous dick on the internet!'

<make funny foice>
"But aren't there enough assholes on the internet already?"

<normal voice>
"I know, I know, but I'm so full of myself, I just can't help it"


He's done that bit, I think, but I can't remember which video it's from
Bora Pain minha porra!
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
August 30 2017 11:04 GMT
#33970
I kinda expected Sansa to go like "Really Arya?!! In the middle of the fucking meeting room?!" And Arya laughing sheepishly while the almost burnt out cleaning lady comes in with a bucket to clean yet another blood bath mumbling something about how she might as well start working in an abatoir...
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43544 Posts
August 30 2017 13:28 GMT
#33971
On August 28 2017 12:28 Plansix wrote:
I like how they dropped 15 skyscrapers worth of material onto the ground in the most controlled demolition in the history of the world and make a nice, clear path for the army of the undead to talk across. The Night King has been planning that move for centuries. Got three PHDs in structural engineering and thermodynamics. Night King, master pilot, putting in the work.

Also:

Bran - We must tell Jon right away, no one knows but me.

Also Bran - The fans have shipped this to hard, we cannot undo what is already been done.

Writers to Bran - We agree, there are no take backs.

Bran: Only I know because I'm a magic raven
Sam: Oh wow, because this thing that I know.
Bran: I didn't know that.
Bran: Okay, I checked, that thing you said is true.

Bran has some high level cold reading skills. Soon he'll be like "someone in this room has lost someone.... I'm seeing a male figure.... maybe a father.... or a brother.... or a husband.... no, it's a son, I see a son.... or a daughter"
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43544 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-30 13:44:35
August 30 2017 13:34 GMT
#33972
The entire Littlefinger Sansa Arya storyline was just selectively showing the audience a limited selection of scenes to purposefully mislead us so they could do a big reveal. Dumb as hell. We spend a few episodes going "this is the dumbest shit, none of what they're showing us makes any sense, Arya isn't going to kill Sansa, Sansa should be smarter than this". Then they suddenly reveal "actually Sansa and Arya were plotting together against Littlefinger this whole time and they were both in on it and talking to each other about what the other one was doing and it was all one big power play but we just didn't show you any of that stuff, gotcha!" It's not a fucking gotcha if the show lies to us. It's 4 chan level person A says "hurr durr I'm retarded", person B goes "I guess that guy is retarded", person A "HAH! Tricked you! I was only pretending to be retarded!"

They spent an entire season making the audience say "well this is fucking dumb but I guess we're just going to have to take the show at face value". Capture a wight plan, fucking dumb, but the audience isn't meant to be thinking "but if Dany is hoping the WW will kill Jon, why did she send Jorah too?", we're meant to just assume that what they showed us really is what is happening. And then suddenly they reveal "gotcha! I made you think I was dumb, actually this was happening and I tricked you". Fuck you D+D.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43544 Posts
August 30 2017 13:36 GMT
#33973
Tyrion: "It's my fault Tommen died"

Fucking seriously? Tommen killed himself because his mother was a cunt. But perhaps Tyrion knew that and was just trying to win her over with the old rhetorical technique of "if I tell her I killed her son then she'll be more willing to listen to what I have to say".
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 30 2017 13:37 GMT
#33974
Wait i actually thought that the "fake drama" was legit drama in universe but between episode 6 and 7 they talked to each other offscreen, possibly with bran and figured everything out.
Not that this would be much better :D
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
August 30 2017 13:58 GMT
#33975
On August 30 2017 16:26 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2017 10:57 Sbrubbles wrote:
Preston Jacobs already has his parody/snark video out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqj_GvdP1TE

The only upside to a shitty GoT episode is that the shittier it is, the funnier his videos are.

"Hello everybody, I'm Preston Jacobs, and I'm here to give you a course on how to be a pompous dick on the internet!'

<make funny foice>
"But aren't there enough assholes on the internet already?"

<normal voice>
"I know, I know, but I'm so full of myself, I just can't help it"

Just go watch some of his conspiracy theories series. They are all pretty high quality material. The Dornish master plan series in particular.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 30 2017 14:08 GMT
#33976
His normal theories are garbage (but entertaining). His video series on the show is entertaining and brings up legit criticism (and ofc nitpicky stuff).

Overall this season felt like they had way more material and decided to cut half of it so the pacing is faster and "unnecessary" scenes get removed. Besides the dragon scenes there really was nothing which had a big impact.
Like we can probably name countless scenes of earlier seasons which stayed in our memory, now try to do the same for this season. I bet you won't find much.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43544 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-30 14:18:36
August 30 2017 14:17 GMT
#33977
+ Show Spoiler [endless bitching] +
Theon storyline continues to be dumb as fuck. He wins fights with the power of dicklessness. Also we saw a mirror of that situation back here
+ Show Spoiler [theon's speech] +

The joke is that Iron Islanders don't respect oaths of loyalty or titles for the sake of titles, they're pragmatic, they follow winners. But Theon shows up with "sure, I wasn't willing to die trying to save my sister, but I reckon you lot are", and they rally behind him? Bullshit, the moment they're out to sea Theon is getting tipped off the boat.

Also Dany is the worst ally. They're having this big truce conference and agreeing and not once does Dany say "by the way, about my friends who got captured trying to help me who you are now torturing, can you stop with that?"

Euron storyline gets dumber and dumber. He's literally the only thing that Cersei had going for her with his magic fleet and we're supposed to believe that he's got some kind of secret incest cuckold fetish? That he's willing to join the war against the dragons and the army of the dead to secure a future for Cersei's incest baby? And Cersei's big power move was to have him publicly forsake her and her cause and then secretly give him all her gold so he could sail off and come back with an army? If they want to redeem this then show me the Iron Bank guy saying "he never arrived with the gold" and cut to Euron peacing out into the horizon with a prostitute on each arm.

Capture a wight storyline ended up exactly where everyone knew it would from before it started, with Cersei stabbing Dany in the back because she's fucking Cersei and she stabs literally everyone in the back. Apparently this surprised Tyrion because apparently he's never met Cersei before. Dany's naivete can be forgiven because she's literally never met anyone as cuntish as Cersei, but this is exactly what she pays Tyrion for. Apparently Tyrion is an idiot now. Whatever. Maybe next season it'll turn out that Tyrion was only pretending to be an idiot.

Cersei tells Gregor to kill Jaime if he leaves. Jaime tells Cersei he doesn't think she'll let Gregor kill him. Jaime tries to leave. Cersei doesn't tell Gregor to stop. Gregor stops anyway? And then Jaime rides off into the distance? Despite being the lord of house lannister after discount Tywin died? If you're unhappy with what your sister is doing then just stop her. It's not like she has any army other than Gregor. Her knowledge of military affairs reaches to saying "call our banners" five fucking years after you already mobilized for a total civil war and a few months after you lost control of the place where all your bannermen live because your army was out in the field elsewhere. The army follows you Jaime. You're literally the lord of the house they follow. Also you're the general. Also you're the charismatic leader they've been following for years. Also your sales pitch to the army is "she wants you to fight the lady with the dragons, I want to make peace with the lady with the dragons".

Apparently the payoff for the whole "will Dany's better nature win out against her fire and blood ancestry" subplot is just "yes". This whole bullshit thing with her crucifying masters and burning Tarlys and a bunch of other shit and then they just forget that they were doing that because she's super into guys with bendy knees.

Also the WW master plan at the start of season 1 relied upon dragons which had been extinct for hundred of years? We're meant to understand that if Jorah hadn't pussied out on the Dany assassination plot the WW would just be wandering back and forth in front of the wall right now like glitched npcs?

Good takeaways. Apparently the WW have finally showed up and made it into the actual story. Raven boy has finally decided to let people know that he's a proxy for the viewer who can tell the characters what's going on.

Bad takeaways. Every scene that Cersei is in. Every scene that Euron is it. Every scene that Theon is in. Every scene that Tyrion is in. How dumb the inevitable betrayal storyline will be. The inevitable Jaime Cersei bullshit.


Why is Cersei even queen at this point? Who wants her to be queen? We had her being hated by all the lords of Westeros, then she turned the Tarlys, then they died. We had like three seasons of her being hated by the people of King's Landing, with rumours of Joffrey being an incest bastard, then the whole Sparrow shit (which we've forgotten about now I guess), then the shame stuff. We had her losing control of the Lannister lands to consolidate her army under Jaime in King's Landing and steal all the Highgarden gold. Now he's gone is it literally just Euron and his magic fleet keeping her on the throne? If Euron just stabbed Cersei in the face and took the throne himself, would anyone even care?


Oh, and "I hear the Golden Company even have elephants". Dany has fucking dragons. In a world without dragons elephants are some fucking brutal shock troops, I'll give you that. But you don't get to name drop how the guys joining your team have elephants when the other team are already using dragons.

I am so fucking done with the Cersei storyline. Fuck.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43544 Posts
August 30 2017 14:23 GMT
#33978
On August 29 2017 01:20 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2017 01:14 Sent. wrote:
On August 29 2017 01:05 Plansix wrote:
On August 29 2017 01:01 Sent. wrote:
Now that's confirmed-confirmed:

Why did Ned never tell his wife the truth about Jon? Did he not trust her?
Why did Rhaegar marry Lyanna in secret? Why was his "divorce" kept secret?
Why was the marriage kept secret later?

Also, when did Jaime promise to go North to help team Dany? I understand his reasoning, just don't remember him making any pledges in the episode. By the way, Jaime going North means he'll probably meet Bran. Awkward...

He promised his sister he wouldn’t tell anyone because Robert would kill Jon. Robert spent a good amount of time trying to kill Dany. Robert didn’t want sister’s kid to become a political pawn. We don’t know why he never told his wife, but maybe he felt it would be easier to hide Jon if his wife hated Jon.


Yeah but why did Rhaegar and his dudes keep it secret? Why did high septon annul his first marriage in secret? Did his first wife even know about the annulment?

Scared of being hunted by Oberyn for dissing his sister?

Targaryen bigamy has a precedent. There's no reason for him to have even divorced wife #1. Also the Dornish are probably chill with that stuff.

I suspect it's just winner's history. Robert won so nobody was eager to say "actually she just ditched you because she was into dudes with white hair, this was all for nothing".
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43544 Posts
August 30 2017 14:27 GMT
#33979
On August 29 2017 05:09 Uldridge wrote:
Tyrion keeps Dany in check.
Cersei still is a great threat, no matter how you look at it
Being outsmarted by his brother isn't on him per se. It would be difficult to predict a move like that.
Dorne and the smaller fleet of the Iron Islanders were not on him imo. That was an Euron surprise move.
He's growing up and still has his snarky remarks now and then. Maybe you should try to come to terms with character development.

Cersei's army is old man gregor, weird cuckold fetish pirate, and the world's worst investment banker. Her being a legitimate player is the most unbelievable thing in this story, including the dragons.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18207 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-30 14:33:17
August 30 2017 14:32 GMT
#33980
On August 30 2017 22:58 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2017 16:26 Acrofales wrote:
On August 30 2017 10:57 Sbrubbles wrote:
Preston Jacobs already has his parody/snark video out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqj_GvdP1TE

The only upside to a shitty GoT episode is that the shittier it is, the funnier his videos are.

"Hello everybody, I'm Preston Jacobs, and I'm here to give you a course on how to be a pompous dick on the internet!'

<make funny foice>
"But aren't there enough assholes on the internet already?"

<normal voice>
"I know, I know, but I'm so full of myself, I just can't help it"

Just go watch some of his conspiracy theories series. They are all pretty high quality material. The Dornish master plan series in particular.

I know his conspiracy theories, lol. The Dornish Master Plan was pretty good. Unfortunately, the "internet fame" went to his head, and he decided to become a complete douche. Or maybe he was already, but because his conspiracy theory posts stick to a fairly clear script, so his douchiness wasn't as obvious.

His posts about the series are basically nitpicking garbage. They are sometimes entertaining, but usually only in a 4-chan taking a massive dump on someone with more talent then himself kinda way.

And I have plenty of criticism for the show. But he takes every single scene and points out what sucks about it. I don't think I've EVER seen him say something good about the show. I mean... this was his recap of the battle in episode 4. Which was just plain good TV, even if you disagree with everything leading up to it, and following afterwards.


Pompous dick? Yes. I think so.

E: apparently links to specific times don't work, so skip to 11:13 to miss his other conceited douchery.
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