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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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brian
United States9641 Posts
fairly worthless scene, glad it didn't last too long. unlike all of dany's scenes. her dialogue should just be cut in half. not because she's uninteresting, but it was just boringly long. not even an idiot needs that much exposition. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4085 Posts
- Arya chatting and smiling with soldiers in the woods after all the effort that was put into developing her dark and ice-cold character? Pathetic. - Jon going to simply talk to Dany? And those one-dimensional talks, like no politics is involved? This is how you talk to your friend waiting for a bus. - the dialogue between Bran and Sansa: - I'm a three-eyed raven. - I dont understand. - i know, right? (BullShit). - the poison in the Olenna's drink. No second play, no effort from her side to outplay and save herself whatsoever, this is not the badass Cercei-level mind we got to know. - Reek jumping into water. What is that all about? What is the purpose of that move? - Extremely weak influence of Melisandre and Varys on the plot. We are used to them being invisible puppetmasters, not sidelined shadows. - put on top of it cheap moments, like the handshake between Jorah and Sam, like Cercei's "i'm the queen i can do whatever i want", like sex with Greyworm, like Dany and her "im gonna fly with 3 dragons and kill all the ships", etc ... I did like some moments and especially some characters. But i cant help it but notice the major decline in quality. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 02 2017 23:52 ComaDose wrote: Well she thinks shes going to win. He is rightfully pessimistic but still wants the money she already owes them. In a fortnight when she plans on returning with lots of gold and having eliminated most of the opposing fleet and the leaders of two great opposing houses she believes he will see her position more favorably. He doesn't lose much by waiting a couple weeks and he hasn't offered her more money yet. I think that is on point. She was trying to prevent the Iron Bank from backing Dany, saying that they would get burned(waka-waka) by her. She was saying that they should stick with her, not back Dany and they would be repaid their gold. It is a pretty easy sell to a banker. If new fashion Disney Evil queen bites it in the war, then the bank has a massive write off, so backing Dany means paying money to lose money. Or they cannot back Dany and possibly collect. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On August 03 2017 01:57 Plansix wrote: I think that is on point. She was trying to prevent the Iron Bank from backing Dany, saying that they would get burned(waka-waka) by her. She was saying that they should stick with her, not back Dany and they would be repaid their gold. It is a pretty easy sell to a banker. If new fashion Disney Evil queen bites it in the war, then the bank has a massive write off, so backing Dany means paying money to lose money. Or they cannot back Dany and possibly collect. That (slightly) conflicts though with their willingness to back Stannis. Like their best position would probably be to try and convince Dany to honor the debts of the Iron Throne and fund her campaign. Though I'm content to just think Dany wouldn't do it so they'd go to Cersei next. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 03 2017 02:07 Logo wrote: That (slightly) conflicts though with their willingness to back Stannis. Like their best position would probably be to try and convince Dany to honor the debts of the Iron Throne and fund her campaign. Though I'm content to just think Dany wouldn't do it so they'd go to Cersei next. Stannis was trying to overthrow Joffery, who was a nightmare and everyone saw it coming. I can see the bank's play. Dany and her upstart, I'll break the wheel style of politics isn't the safest bet for the bank. Cersei plays to that concern, since the bank might be worried Dany would try to end the Iron bank, or cut them off from the 7 kingdoms. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On August 03 2017 02:13 Plansix wrote: Stannis was trying to overthrow Joffery, who was a nightmare and everyone saw it coming. I can see the bank's play. Dany and her upstart, I'll break the wheel style of politics isn't the safest bet for the bank. Cersei plays to that concern, since the bank might be worried Dany would try to end the Iron bank, or cut them off from the 7 kingdoms. Yeah I see it making sense either way, I don't think either horse is really great for the Iron Bank. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 03 2017 02:14 Logo wrote: Yeah I see it making sense either way, I don't think either horse is really great for the Iron Bank. They already bet on Cersei. They are just praying to god they can collect before someone murders her. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On August 02 2017 18:26 VHbb wrote: Yeah I don't think this thread is representative of how the show is seen in general in terms of quality. Among my friends (and we are all quite big fan of fantasy narrative / worlds) this season is very well liked. I think as always people who dislike something are more vocal. Also, criticizing something is "cool". Is this the best season of the series so far? I don't think so...My favorite quality of the show has always been the character development and dialogue between them. But I also think that the people who like it or have nothing bad to say about it have just learned to avoid this thread. Criticism is an easy thing to do IMO (this thread shows that) and people posting good things about a show can only go so long (not interesting). | ||
KwarK
United States43988 Posts
"Hey, so we loaned the guy who overthrew your dad and stole his kingdoms a bunch of money. You're trying to take the kingdoms back, any chance you'd consider also taking over payments on his debts?" | ||
NonY
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On August 02 2017 11:34 Zooper31 wrote: I also enjoyed it. But it feels out of place for me to discuss the show with people since the tone of this thread is to hate on everything that's happened this season. I don't really wanna talk about that stuff. I thought the only kinda meh stuff was between Dany and Jon. The rest of the episode I was happy with, best episode so far imo. I've checked out a lot of different places of discussion and it seems pretty rare to find people discussing it as literature or art. It's way more common to think of it as a fictional historical reenactment and to think about logistics and to think of each character not as a person but as a host for a particular desire or desired outcome. I've found that a lot of people like to make predictions which seems like a bad way to consume this kind of media. They set a trap for themselves: come up with reasons to justify a prediction and either it happens and the show is predictable or it doesn't happen and the stories/characters are irrational because they went against your reasoning. It's funny because if you read actual histories, you'll find them a lot more bizarre and "unrealistic" than fictional ones. When people talk about what ought to have happened, their arguments aren't actually based in reality, but rather they've got some concept or algorithm in their mind that they feel the story ought to be adhering to, and when it doesn't adhere to it, they think the show is flawed, despite the fact that their concept and the creators' concept are not identical so they're not in a position to judge how well the execution is holding up to the story's actual concept, and none of this is based on reality so there's no way to objectively judge it. On August 03 2017 02:27 MassHysteria wrote: Criticism is an easy thing to do IMO (this thread shows that) and people posting good things about a show can only go so long (not interesting). It's quite possible to write extremely interesting criticisms without being negative at all. It's just an exploration of the text. Like think of any classic novel or book of poetry and find all the essays and books of criticism written about them. It's not inherently negative. The problem is someone can say "I thought this scene was great because it portrayed X by doing Y and Z" then you get a response from someone saying "No that whole scene was stupid because of this 1+1=3 element in it" despite the fact that that element is inessential and irrelevant. I have seen so much uninteresting negativity. Just because you can make a logical argument that a flaw exists does not mean you've discovered an interesting critique. Flaws are left in on purpose out of convenience and viewers who can't learn when to overlook them are just not the right audience. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 03 2017 04:07 opisska wrote: TL's view on GoT was mostly froma logical viewpoint, which I appreciate. The people here always tried to analyze what's possible to happen and make theories. That's the angle that I am interested in, not some mushy "art" talk. When the show shows plotholes, it is natural that the talk focuses on them, because you can't make conclusions if the data is flawed. That is fine, everyone has their own tastes. I find the hyper logical, prescriptive style of critique to be tiring and a reductive when dealing with creative works. But I am also the guy who loves flawed, busted video games that really go for something and fail in interesting ways. | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
On August 03 2017 00:56 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Cant believe people don't see the problem with this season. Which is basically one - going from a hard-to-follow politically and emotionally sophisticated storytelling to a child's book fairy-tale level where you can predict the outcome of each scene by thinking "if that would be a high-school theater, what would be the next line?": - Arya chatting and smiling with soldiers in the woods after all the effort that was put into developing her dark and ice-cold character? Pathetic. - Jon going to simply talk to Dany? And those one-dimensional talks, like no politics is involved? This is how you talk to your friend waiting for a bus. - the dialogue between Bran and Sansa: - I'm a three-eyed raven. - I dont understand. - i know, right? (BullShit). - the poison in the Olenna's drink. No second play, no effort from her side to outplay and save herself whatsoever, this is not the badass Cercei-level mind we got to know. - Reek jumping into water. What is that all about? What is the purpose of that move? - Extremely weak influence of Melisandre and Varys on the plot. We are used to them being invisible puppetmasters, not sidelined shadows. - put on top of it cheap moments, like the handshake between Jorah and Sam, like Cercei's "i'm the queen i can do whatever i want", like sex with Greyworm, like Dany and her "im gonna fly with 3 dragons and kill all the ships", etc ... I did like some moments and especially some characters. But i cant help it but notice the major decline in quality. Yep, that pretty much sums it up, well said! | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On August 03 2017 04:12 Plansix wrote: That is fine, everyone has their own tastes. I find the hyper logical, prescriptive style of critique to be tiring and a reductive when dealing with creative works. But I am also the guy who loves flawed, busted video games that really go for something and fail in interesting ways. To me the two aren't mutually exclusive? I still really enjoy GoT even with the criticisms I make here. Then at the same time I only hold it to a high standard of logic because I felt like the early seasons really killed it and set a high bar so it's disappointing by comparison to itself specifically which is why it gets the amount of criticism it does I think. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 03 2017 04:22 Logo wrote: To me the two aren't mutually exclusive? I still really enjoy GoT even with the criticisms I make here. Then at the same time I only hold it to a high standard of logic because I felt like the early seasons really killed it and set a high bar so it's disappointing by comparison to itself specifically which is why it gets the amount of criticism it does I think. Of course. The question is how productive the discussion is to harp on the same issue week after week. Since the end of season 4ish, the pacing has lost that interconnected feel that came from Martins carefully plotted timeline of information and how it traveled. I miss that, but I’m over it. If everyone just points out the same criticisms every week, how is it any different than people heaping on praise every week? Reaps: Yeah, complaining is fun. I do it too. I constantly joke with my friends about the Unsullied’s tiny spears that they only seem to have one of. I think if people did it in a lighter tone and with less authority of quality, it would be taken better. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Can't help but feel people make the mistake of comparing a tv show to a book and expect the same amount of nuance. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
-3 second screen time of Podd -2 second screen time of Bronn -10 second screen time of Tormund checking out Brienne -All the red brotherhood/Hound scenes Everything else was pretty forgettable. | ||
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