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On May 01 2011 08:10 Blisse wrote:
I really hoped that Cersei would look better, and more like Jaime, since they're supposed to be twins and all. But I guess that's really hard to do, someone who can act and look good and look like someone else and fit the role.
I don't think it said in the book that they were identical twins though. They look twinnish enough for me  she's pretty hawt too
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On May 01 2011 08:21 ZessiM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 08:10 Blisse wrote:
I really hoped that Cersei would look better, and more like Jaime, since they're supposed to be twins and all. But I guess that's really hard to do, someone who can act and look good and look like someone else and fit the role. I don't think it said in the book that they were identical twins though. They look twinnish enough for me she's pretty hawt too
It's impossible for identical twins to be opposite sex.
My criticism thus far: I wish they would slow down the plot pacing just a little and go into a bit more detail into the characters lives. That luxury is there with a TV series, I feel like they feel like they have to go through material and plot events at a certain rate, but why do they? It feels like a mini-series so far.
Maybe once things get established we can get to know people more though?
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On May 01 2011 08:25 ZapRoffo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 08:21 ZessiM wrote:On May 01 2011 08:10 Blisse wrote:
I really hoped that Cersei would look better, and more like Jaime, since they're supposed to be twins and all. But I guess that's really hard to do, someone who can act and look good and look like someone else and fit the role. I don't think it said in the book that they were identical twins though. They look twinnish enough for me she's pretty hawt too It's impossible for identical twins to be opposite sex. My criticism thus far: I wish they would slow down the plot pacing just a little and go into a bit more detail into the characters lives. That luxury is there with a TV series, I feel like they feel like they have to go through material and plot events at a certain rate, but why do they? It feels like a mini-series so far. Maybe once things get established we can get to know people more though?
The 1st season of true blood was 12 episodes long, based on a 300-page long book. But then of course, the number of pages don't tell everything.
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On May 01 2011 08:45 11cc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 08:25 ZapRoffo wrote:On May 01 2011 08:21 ZessiM wrote:On May 01 2011 08:10 Blisse wrote:
I really hoped that Cersei would look better, and more like Jaime, since they're supposed to be twins and all. But I guess that's really hard to do, someone who can act and look good and look like someone else and fit the role. I don't think it said in the book that they were identical twins though. They look twinnish enough for me she's pretty hawt too It's impossible for identical twins to be opposite sex. My criticism thus far: I wish they would slow down the plot pacing just a little and go into a bit more detail into the characters lives. That luxury is there with a TV series, I feel like they feel like they have to go through material and plot events at a certain rate, but why do they? It feels like a mini-series so far. Maybe once things get established we can get to know people more though? The 1st season of true blood was 12 episodes long, based on a 300-page long book. But then of course, the number of pages don't tell everything.
Yeah, and this will probably be similar length but based on 700 page book I expect. And I enjoyed the first season of True Blood more than this so far. You get to know the characters more closely--it covers less stuff happening and has more time where you are just like, seeing the characters in "typical" situations (not that stuff isn't happening but it's more subtle and not jammed in).
Dexter season 1 was based on a shorter book even than True Blood I think, but same length show, and it was so rich and well-paced. I feel like this is missing a bit in Game of Thrones.
Compressing it too much makes you lose out on great detail, which I feel like is the main huge strength of the HBO type shows or Dexter.
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I'm from the UK, and I really want to watch this show!
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Oh god don't bring the Dexter books up. Those are the worst piece of garbage ever printed and the show is, surprinsingly, the best one ever.
Back on topic, I'm really enjoying this series, will probably pick the books up.
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Has anyone said this in regards to the thread title?
It's not TV, it's HBO.
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On May 01 2011 10:34 phfantunes wrote:
Oh god don't bring the Dexter books up. Those are the worst piece of garbage ever printed and the show is, surprinsingly, the best one ever.
Back on topic, I'm really enjoying this series, will probably pick the books up.
I haven't read it (or any of the books mentioned including The Game of Thrones), but it's not surprising to me that that could happen. What they are about/what happens is not where the quality of fiction comes from, it's all in the telling; if the TV creators know how to bring a story to life, it will be good no matter what the source.
I was just using it as a comparison for how having less density of plot advancing events drawn from the source (vs. getting to know characters stuff with plot events more tied in to this) can be really good and well suited to the TV medium, and I feel like it's something that could be improved in this show. Everything is an "event" so far, the characters feel there just to have people for stuff to happen with, instead of being there for us to get to know them deeply, or for them to challenge us and then care greatly or be torn about how to react when things do happen to them.
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From what I have read from critics who have seen the first 6 episodes, the later episodes do go more in depth, which is why many said #5 and 6 were their favorites. No more major characters to introduce by then. As far as I can recall Theon still hasn't been officially named or identified yet on screen, and the next episode is going to introduce a bunch of new characters from the wall and king's landing. It would be ideal if they had 12 episodes and could slow down a bit, but then again some people think "nothing has happened" even with this fast pace.
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The show is incredibly expensive, though. I understand why they wouldn't want to risk a longer first season. I really hope they get more episodes for seasons two and three, as those books are significantly longer and more complex.
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On May 01 2011 10:34 phfantunes wrote:
Oh god don't bring the Dexter books up. Those are the worst piece of garbage ever printed and the show is, surprinsingly, the best one ever.
Back on topic, I'm really enjoying this series, will probably pick the books up.
The first and second dexter books were quite good; the rest are trash.
I saw the first two episodes of game of thrones, and am already halfway through a clash of kings about a week later... (I read a lot at work)...
I noticed that the first episode of game of thrones covered the first 10% of the book, the second episode covered almost exactly the second 10% of the book... (with a kindle, it tells you how far you are into the book).
It seems like they will probably keep that pace up, 10% per episode. makes sense, in a way.
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I'm enjoying the show so far, but I have some objections on casting, especially of Robert and Renly Baratheon. Mark Addy does a great job as Robert, but I feel him missing the Baratheon's black, thick hair should be an issue, especially when Renly is also not remotely similar to how he was described in books.
Major spoiler, don't read if you didn't read the books:
+ Show Spoiler +This is important for the plot as Robert and Renly, in books, both have long black mane, black beards, a very distinctive look. It was mentioned more than once that Renly looks almost exactly like Robert when he was younger. These characteristics are dominant and are passed onto their children so every child of Robert has this unique look. But at least they were sensible enough not to cast Gendry with black hair, so it might not be an issue, but I always imagined Baratheons looking very differently than in the show.
Renly, "Some say he’s the handsomest man in the Seven Kingdoms, and others say he looks almost like Robert’s twin when Robert warred against the Targaryens. Tall, broad-shouldered, with fine black hair and startling blue-green eyes, Renly is all a lord should be."
How I imagined him:
![[image loading]](http://www.xenaville.com/kev.jpg)
And how I actually imagined Eddard and Robert, from their younger days:
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Why is Robert wielding a mace and not a warhammer in that picture?
I agree that they have diverged a lot in the looks for several of the characters. For instance, the actor and actress for Jon and Arya do look very Stark-ish, but Sean Bean does not, so the point in the books that Arya and Jon look more like their father than the other children is no longer apparent. On the other hand, the looks described in the book are very stylized and may not work that well visually or may seem clichéd. And there is the problem of finding good actors that fit the role and have the right look. I don't know how viable it is to use hair coloring or wigs for the entire main cast in a tv-series like that. So long as they are consistent, it is not that much of a problem.
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actually I didn't like Jon all that much, I imagined him..less like a pretty boy somehow. But overall I think they did a great job on casting. But Renly does look...well he should be more of a pretty boy ^^
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this show is about characters and not about their hair color
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On May 01 2011 20:20 Maginor wrote:
Why is Robert wielding a mace and not a warhammer in that picture?
I agree that they have diverged a lot in the looks for several of the characters. For instance, the actor and actress for Jon and Arya do look very Stark-ish, but Sean Bean does not, so the point in the books that Arya and Jon look more like their father than the other children is no longer apparent. On the other hand, the looks described in the book are very stylized and may not work that well visually or may seem clichéd. And there is the problem of finding good actors that fit the role and have the right look. I don't know how viable it is to use hair coloring or wigs for the entire main cast in a tv-series like that. So long as they are consistent, it is not that much of a problem.
didn't they dye Vigo Mortensen's hair for LoTR?
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On May 01 2011 20:44 Skilledblob wrote:
this show is about characters and not about their hair color
True. But here are a bunch of fanboys who have very specific expectations. It is always hard to put those aside and enjoy something for what it is and not lamenting about what it ought to be.
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Is someone going to stream it live tonight? That would be awesome.
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On May 01 2011 20:44 Skilledblob wrote:
this show is about characters and not about their hair color
first book spoiler+ Show Spoiler +Part of the plot involves hair colof
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On May 01 2011 20:44 Skilledblob wrote:
this show is about characters and not about their hair color
It would be hard to tell who is from what family since there are so many characters
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