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On March 02 2018 03:20 BigFan wrote:
The odd thing was that when Goku went UI the first time, his punches were not harming Jiren at all and now, they seem to be doing massive damage. Was that ever explained? I know when he fought with Kefla, he was switching between Red and Blue but that's not the case here. How was he dealing damage again?
Its like in real life.
When you play SC/BW the first time it will take you like ~10 more minutes to truely master it! (This arc is so dumb).
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Goku did master the his signature kamehame just after seeing it. Through the series Goku has shown tremendous ability to copy other guys techs. The only exception is the inatant transmission. But I guess that was just a plot device to make goku arrive later.
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On March 02 2018 16:07 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2018 03:20 BigFan wrote:
The odd thing was that when Goku went UI the first time, his punches were not harming Jiren at all and now, they seem to be doing massive damage. Was that ever explained? I know when he fought with Kefla, he was switching between Red and Blue but that's not the case here. How was he dealing damage again? Its like in real life. When you play SC/BW the first time it will take you like ~10 more minutes to truely master it! (This arc is so dumb).
t???
You are telling me now that Goku learned in DBS to fight and archieved mastered UI in just some minutes?
You are telling me that goku doenst fought since hes a child? A material art who fight from the beginning to the end
havent DESERVED the ultimate form ???
@bigfan the real reason is that goku always got stronger in UI for example.
Goku UI vs Jiren P1 < Goku UI vs Kefla < Goku UI vs Jiren P2
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On March 02 2018 21:10 xReWinDx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2018 16:07 Velr wrote:On March 02 2018 03:20 BigFan wrote:
The odd thing was that when Goku went UI the first time, his punches were not harming Jiren at all and now, they seem to be doing massive damage. Was that ever explained? I know when he fought with Kefla, he was switching between Red and Blue but that's not the case here. How was he dealing damage again? Its like in real life. When you play SC/BW the first time it will take you like ~10 more minutes to truely master it! (This arc is so dumb). t??? You are telling me now that Goku learned in DBS to fight and archieved mastered UI in just some minutes? You are telling me that goku doenst fought since hes a child? A material art who fight from the beginning to the end havent DESERVED the ultimate form ??? @bigfan the real reason is that goku always got stronger in UI for example. Goku UI vs Jiren P1 < Goku UI vs Kefla < Goku UI vs Jiren P2
There was something like 7 or 8 minutes between each fight. This is really one of the dumbest thing is this quite dumb arc
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On March 02 2018 16:07 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2018 03:20 BigFan wrote:
The odd thing was that when Goku went UI the first time, his punches were not harming Jiren at all and now, they seem to be doing massive damage. Was that ever explained? I know when he fought with Kefla, he was switching between Red and Blue but that's not the case here. How was he dealing damage again? Its like in real life. When you play SC/BW the first time it will take you like ~10 more minutes to truely master it! (This arc is so dumb).
It's like that game where Flash rushed Hyuk. Hyuk was pushing 800 apm (200 per zergling) during the fight. Unfortunately, he was not Goku so the zerglings still died.
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GUYS
TOMORROW DBS IS BACK
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On March 02 2018 18:05 TMG26 wrote:
Goku did master the his signature kamehame just after seeing it. Through the series Goku has shown tremendous ability to copy other guys techs. The only exception is the inatant transmission. But I guess that was just a plot device to make goku arrive later.
Another example is being able to Hakai without any GoD training whatsoever. Toppo was only able to do it once he transformed. Goku just kinda freestyled it lmao
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Yeah, I guess looking back, Goku's never really struggled to learn anything. While it still seems a bit silly that he's mastering UI so quickly, it's not as weird because it is Goku. He's always kinda just mastered stuff when nobody was looking.
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I mean he learns those kind of skills fast, but even Tien learned the Kamehame wave after seeing it once. The skills that Goku has mastered up to this point don't seem like their hard to do if you know how to use your Ki, it's just knowing it exists.
UI is a much further advanced skill and as far as we are aware, only the Angels have mastered it. We know Beerus can do it, just hasn't mastered it and he's been around for millions of years.
Either way he mastered it in 20 minutes, so doesn't matter anyway. Looking forward to tomorrow's episode regardless. I am guessing Freeza will show up in 130 and not in 129. Curious what role he's going to have.
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On March 03 2018 08:02 blade55555 wrote:
I mean he learns those kind of skills fast, but even Tien learned the Kamehame wave after seeing it once. The skills that Goku has mastered up to this point don't seem like their hard to do if you know how to use your Ki, it's just knowing it exists.
UI is a much further advanced skill and as far as we are aware, only the Angels have mastered it. We know Beerus can do it, just hasn't mastered it and he's been around for millions of years.
Either way he mastered it in 20 minutes, so doesn't matter anyway. Looking forward to tomorrow's episode regardless. I am guessing Freeza will show up in 130 and not in 129. Curious what role he's going to have.
Minor critique: We actually have no idea if he mastered it yet or if he's even close. We know he goes all shiny. But is that the same level of mastery as Whis? We have no idea. There is so much ambiguity around UI. It almost feels like they knew ahead of time they'd need to do some serious retcon, so they just made it this fluffy bunny in the sky.
Also, we have no idea if that's even the extent of it. What if UI is the angel version of just learning how to focus ki in your hands? I guess my point is that we have no reason to believe Goku can touch Beerus let alone Whis.
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Well I think it's safe to say that if Goku can match or beat Jiren, he outclasses Beerus at that point as well. On the other hand, if they keep with the manga then Beerus is likely the strongest God of Destruction, sooo... maybe not? I've been secretly hoping that we get a rematch with Beerus where Goku actually wins. But maybe they moved past that idea already.
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On March 03 2018 10:50 NewSunshine wrote:
Well I think it's safe to say that if Goku can match or beat Jiren, he outclasses Beerus at that point as well. On the other hand, if they keep with the manga then Beerus is likely the strongest God of Destruction, sooo... maybe not? I've been secretly hoping that we get a rematch with Beerus where Goku actually wins. But maybe they moved past that idea already.
Not all of the GoDs fought in that. Don't make the mistake that they had a royal rumble on a prototype fighting stage with 12 GoDs. Only about half if that fought. I think the fish looking GoD is the strongest, in both anime and manga versions.
Also, Beerus was only using 70% vs SSG Goku. Now, he would probably be pushed to 80%. Of course, like Champa, he sleeps too much to be bothered to train, so who knows if he's like Freeza and can gain new heights with a few months of hardcore training?
I don't believe Goku can touch Beerus yet. Not even come close if he gets serious.
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are people really criticizing DBS for unbelivable power ups in the shortest amount of time? you know we are talking Dragonball, right? Vegeta went from 20k to 600k power level in about half a day in the freiza arc. This is what Dragonball is. Enjoy it for what it is.
Also, he trains his God KI under Whis for quite a while now. Who knows - maybe he has shown signs of Ultra Instinct in training already.
Coming to Jiren - why wouldn't he have God-KI and Ultra Instinct to some degree? Maybe he doesn't have to change form or hair color to use it - Beerus doesn't either.
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On March 03 2018 03:13 Mohdoo wrote:GUYS TOMORROW DBS IS BACK eeeee Show nested quote +On March 02 2018 18:05 TMG26 wrote:
Goku did master the his signature kamehame just after seeing it. Through the series Goku has shown tremendous ability to copy other guys techs. The only exception is the inatant transmission. But I guess that was just a plot device to make goku arrive later. Another example is being able to Hakai without any GoD training whatsoever. Toppo was only able to do it once he transformed. Goku just kinda freestyled it lmao
yeah but the difference is no one has ever shown goku the techique of UI, with both the kamehameha and the manga hakai the abilities were shown to him and the idea behind it is that hes a genius martial artist/fighter and maybe he is observing something that we dont see in order to learn it.
But for stuff he has no clue about it takes time and practice to learn it like ssj2 which needed the time chamber, ssj3 which needed the him being dead (thus no pressure on his body) and obviously time. IU is more like the transformations than the techniques he learns even tho in the show its said to be a technique.
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I mean, I recently read DBZ:
It's fairly well-established that sayains get a power-up when they almost die, and Vegeta almost dies a lot. It's extreme, but it's not out of this world.
The only times that characters have gotten significantly more powerful during battle are from transformations, and both SSJ and SSJ2 were heavily foreshadowed.
DBS is way worse in terms of power-ups, no real debate on that. UI was foreshadowed, but not really. The stage where your body reacts by itself was foreshadowed. What we actually got, not really. I still don't know what I'm looking at.
Hell, I'm still not sure what what God Ki is. Did Dende and Kami have it?
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On March 03 2018 10:50 NewSunshine wrote:
Well I think it's safe to say that if Goku can match or beat Jiren, he outclasses Beerus at that point as well. On the other hand, if they keep with the manga then Beerus is likely the strongest God of Destruction, sooo... maybe not? I've been secretly hoping that we get a rematch with Beerus where Goku actually wins. But maybe they moved past that idea already.
In my eyes, Belmod isn't necessarily as strong or even close to as strong as Beerus. Beerus could still be able to beat Goku just by having much higher strength or otherwise being superior. I don't think UI represents the pinnacle of fighting technique.
I won't be surprised when Beerus is shown or stated to still be not nearly afraid of Goku.
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On March 03 2018 14:16 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2018 10:50 NewSunshine wrote:
Well I think it's safe to say that if Goku can match or beat Jiren, he outclasses Beerus at that point as well. On the other hand, if they keep with the manga then Beerus is likely the strongest God of Destruction, sooo... maybe not? I've been secretly hoping that we get a rematch with Beerus where Goku actually wins. But maybe they moved past that idea already. In my eyes, Belmod isn't necessarily as strong or even close to as strong as Beerus. Beerus could still be able to beat Goku just by having much higher strength or otherwise being superior. I don't think UI represents the pinnacle of fighting technique. I won't be surprised when Beerus is shown or stated to still be not nearly afraid of Goku.
yeah it is pretty hard to tell when characters are actually suprised/afraid because toriyama loves and over does his eye popping moments for characters
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On March 03 2018 15:09 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2018 14:16 Mohdoo wrote:On March 03 2018 10:50 NewSunshine wrote:
Well I think it's safe to say that if Goku can match or beat Jiren, he outclasses Beerus at that point as well. On the other hand, if they keep with the manga then Beerus is likely the strongest God of Destruction, sooo... maybe not? I've been secretly hoping that we get a rematch with Beerus where Goku actually wins. But maybe they moved past that idea already. In my eyes, Belmod isn't necessarily as strong or even close to as strong as Beerus. Beerus could still be able to beat Goku just by having much higher strength or otherwise being superior. I don't think UI represents the pinnacle of fighting technique. I won't be surprised when Beerus is shown or stated to still be not nearly afraid of Goku. yeah it is pretty hard to tell when characters are actually suprised/afraid because toriyama loves and over does his eye popping moments for characters
Just a reminder that super isn't by Toryama. He online gives an overall plot outline. Just look at how the manga and anime approach every arc differently with different events and transformations.
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DBS finally come back tonight,
Speeking of show on pauses, does someone know what happen to DB abridge, I didn't see any new episodes in months.
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They're working on the huge conclusion to the Cell Games, which rumor has it might just be the end of DBZA.
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Just had a thought about ToP. Goku could have used instant transmission to save Piccolo, 18, Gohan, and Tien. Roshi could have sat on the edge of the stage for who knows how long and recovered a bit. Krilin...well there's no saving him.
That would have given them a potential of 7 vs 3 towards the end of the arc as Piccolo or Tien would have dropped off by that point.
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