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Watching Star Wars in the Machete order

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phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 23:20:37
January 15 2013 16:34 GMT
#1
Spoiler Warning!


I will assume that anyone who reads this full post has seen the Star Wars movies, so this post is full of spoilers and spoilers the ending. If you have not seen them yet / do not know the story yet, here is the TL;DR version of my post: Watch the movies in this sequence: Episode 4, 5, 2, 3, 6. Do not watch Episode 1, because it's a bad movie and does not add any relevant context. Now get out of here and watch the movies in the above sequence.








I was pointed to an article on a website called "Absolutely no Machete Juggling" which discusses in which order the Star Wars movies would ideally be watched to get the best Star Wars experience. You can read the whole (rather long) article above or read my summarisation here (if you read the article, no point in reading my full post, jump to the horizontal line).

Watching Star Wars in the Machete order:

The article makes the point that the best way to watch all 6 Star Wars movies is to actually only watch 5 of them in the following order: Ep. IV, V, II, III, VI.

This way, you follow the path of Luke Skywalker for two movies, up to the (for first time viewers) surprising and shocking relevation that Darth Vader is Lukes father. Then we leave the current storyline and instead follow Anakin Skywalker for two movies in an extended flashback, which culmulates in the creation of Darth Vader and another surprising relevation that Leia is actually Lukes twin sister (at the end of episode III). Then everything is tied up in episode VI.

This way, the viewer sees much more of the paralles between Luke and Anakin, how they progress and their path to become a Jedi. So in this way, episode II and III actually help enhancing the old triology. Here are two examples (Quotes from other articles):

The first time we see Luke in Return of the Jedi, he’s wearing all-black, just like his father did [in Episode II and III]. He gives R2D2 and C-3P0 to Jabba the Hutt, much to their surprise. Luke isn’t exactly looking like a clean-cut Jedi like he claims. Then, when he finally enters Jabba’s palace, the musical cue sounds a bit like the Imperial March, and the way he enters with the light behind him makes it unclear if he is Luke or Vader. Then, he force chokes Jabba’s guards, something only Vader has done in the series! Nobody else sees him do this.

When he confronts Jabba, he warns him that he’s taking his friends back. He says Jabba can either profit from this, “or be destroyed.” Furthermore, he tells Jabba “not to underestimate my power.” The last time this phrase was used, it was by Anakin when dueling Obi-Wan. When watching Jedi on its own, Luke just seems a tad arrogant during these scenes. When watching Jedi immediately after watching Revenge of the Sith, the message is clear: Luke Skywalker is on the path to the Dark Side.

Why does this matter? Because at the end of Jedi, Luke confronts the Emperor. The Emperor explains that the assault on the new Death Star is a trap and that his friends are going to die, and he keeps taunting Luke, telling him to grab his lightsaber and fight him. The film is trying to create a tension that Luke might embrace the Dark Side, but it was never really believable. However, within the context of him following in his father’s footsteps and his father using the power of the dark side to save people, with Luke’s friends being killed just outside the Death Star window, this is much more believable.

Shortly after, Luke goes apeshit and beats the hell out of Vader, clearly succumbing to his anger. He overpowers Vader with rage and cuts his arm off, just like Anakin did to Windu in Episode III. Having the very real threat of Luke following in his father’s path made clear by watching II and III before VI heightens the tension of this scene, and it actually makes Return of the Jedi better. Yes, watching Revenge of the Sith makes Return of the Jedi a better, more effective film. Considering it’s the weakest of the original trilogy films, this improvement is welcome.


from David Pallant's article on Den of Geek
Yoda is powerful. He can lift a spaceship that is 50 time his size; he can sense the revolution of the clones quicker than any other Jedi (and survives as a result of it) and he is the only Jedi that can catch lightning bolts. While Luke is Darth Vader’s equal, Yoda is the Emperor’s, and so when the Emperor defeats him at the end of Episode III, Revenge Of The Sith, he becomes the greatest failure in the entire saga.

Watching the films in the Machete Order gives greater understanding of Yoda’s troubled past. When he warns Luke “Do not underestimate the power of the Emperor”, you realise he is speaking from experience. It’s is a level of reading that would otherwise be missed. As his defeat at the hands of the Emperor happens only one film prior, his words bite with a bitterness that would be commonly overlooked in the more familiar chronological running order.


Additionally, the flow of the movies works out really well in this order. Episode IV is still the most accessible movie for new viewers. Episode V is often called the best movie of series, and ends with an epic cliffhanger. Then you fit in the two movies that are a bit weaker, but you are so hooked at this point that you really love to see the story of Anakins past and how Darth Vader was "born". Finally you watch Episode VI, where everything is tied up and ends on a high note with the destruction of the second Death Star and the death of the two leader figures of the Empire, the imperator and Darth Vader.

So you might think now: "Ok, I get it, the Machete Order is cool. But why no episode I?"

Because everything that happens in episode I is irrelevant for the rest of the movies or is being explained in the other movies as well. At the beginning of episode two, there is an introduction of all relevant characters. Two of the more important characters of episode I (Qui-Gon and Darth Maul) are dead and are never referenced again (well, Qui-Gon is referenced twice, but in context, and it's not really relevant or confusing for the new viewer). The whole story of episode I is negligible for the rest of the movies. And look at what you gain! For Example:
  • Almost no Jar Jar Binks
  • no midichlorians
  • no pod racing

to only list a few. Add to that that episode I is clearly the worst movie of the six, and there is no reason to watch it with the other five. You can watch it later, as sort of prequel to the Star Wars Quintology, much like the expanded universe stuff, or not watch it at all.

Edit:
I failed to point something out in the original post, so here is the edit with an answer I wrote on page 5:

Only watching 4, 5, 6 is of course a very valid approach. The idea behind the Machete order is that the author tried to combine the old and the new triology in the best possible way. Of course, if you do not like the new movies at all, then the Machete order might not help you there and you better just stick to the old movies.




I actually have not yet watched the movies in the Machete Order, but plan to do so, as I find the article to be very convincing. My wife has not seen any of the movies, and in a few years my kids will be old enough to watch Star Wars themselves. I know now in which order I will let them watch it, as I think it will be the best possible experience available. (Of course I will make sure that the see the original theatralic version of the old movies, not the special edition stuff that I really despise.). Even if my wife might not want to watch it, I'll probably make a movie session in the near future with friends to rewatch Star Wars in the Machete order.

So what do you guys think about this? A good reason to watch the movies again for you? Or do you prefer another order to watch the movies in?
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LaSt)ChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States2179 Posts
January 15 2013 16:39 GMT
#2
i have to do that this weekend... this sounds awesome
BernabusStarcraft2
Profile Joined September 2012
Scotland112 Posts
January 15 2013 16:39 GMT
#3
Watched them all very recently. Enjoyed them fine the normal way around.

I think it would only matter for first time viewers, and who hasn't seen them already?
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
January 15 2013 16:41 GMT
#4
I think this could be a fun weekend adventure, might even get my fiance to actually watch the new episodes, she refuses right now.

Mostly though this article just reminded me of the worst part of episode I, no not the pod racing (awful) or jarjar binks (dreadful) My worst moments were, Darth Maul. He was supposed to be so badass, a straight up killer, untouchable fighter and then he fell down a shaft...I've never recovered from the injustice that was Darth Mauls portrayl in Episode 1.
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Watman
Profile Joined December 2012
Denmark9 Posts
January 15 2013 16:42 GMT
#5
I haven't watched them in this order, but I definitely must try it. The logic behind it seems really solid.
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phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
January 15 2013 16:42 GMT
#6
On January 16 2013 01:39 BernabusStarcraft2 wrote:
Watched them all very recently. Enjoyed them fine the normal way around.

I think it would only matter for first time viewers, and who hasn't seen them already?

My wife has not seen them yet I think there are many younger people outside the geeky/nerdy scene who do not have the same connection to the movies as we do.
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
January 15 2013 16:47 GMT
#7
The only thing I disagree with is that I honestly consider episode 2 the worst movie in the series. Episode 1 did have a lot of dumb things in it but the acting in episode was literally so painful I could barely sit thru it whereas episode 1 did have a good story if it had gotten out of its way a bit.
Diabulus
Profile Joined February 2011
Bolivia105 Posts
January 15 2013 16:47 GMT
#8
Oo how can you say Episode 1 is a bad movie? Anything made by George Lucas, even a porno, would be 10 stars/ 10 from me -.-
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kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
January 15 2013 16:47 GMT
#9
hmmm... kinda interesting. may try this when i have the time
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
January 15 2013 16:49 GMT
#10
That makes so much sense :O
My wife has never seen them, and I haven't for maybe 6 or 7 years, so that's something I'm going to plan !
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KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 16:49:39
January 15 2013 16:49 GMT
#11
Episode 1 wasnt bad at all imo. I would watch it any day over the fourth.

I might try this out though.
Jurg Jurg Jurg
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
January 15 2013 16:49 GMT
#12
On January 16 2013 01:47 Diabulus wrote:
Oo how can you say Episode 1 is a bad movie? Anything made by George Lucas, even a porno, would be 10 stars/ 10 from me -.-


Ep1 was absolutely atrocious and added nothing to the series whatsoever. And I fucking love Liam Nesson, so it pains me that it was so trash.
The universe created an audience for itself.
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
January 15 2013 16:51 GMT
#13
On January 16 2013 01:47 Diabulus wrote:
Oo how can you say Episode 1 is a bad movie? Anything made by George Lucas, even a porno, would be 10 stars/ 10 from me -.-


Because fuck Jar Jar Binks.
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
January 15 2013 16:53 GMT
#14
On January 16 2013 01:34 phagga wrote:
  • Almost no Jar Jar Binks
  • no midichlorians
  • no pod racing

to only list a few. Add to that that episode I is clearly the worst movie of the six, and there is no reason to watch it with the other five. You can watch it later, as sort of prequel to the Star Wars Quintology, much like the expanded universe stuff, or not watch it at all.


That can be improved upon:

If you watch IV, V, VI, then you have no Jar Jar Binks at all. Everybody wins.
Thallis
Profile Joined September 2010
United States314 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 16:55:40
January 15 2013 16:54 GMT
#15
Why would you ever subject yourself to the horror that was Episode 2? The best way to watch star wars is 4, 5, 6. There's no point to watching the prequels unless you want a plot that makes no sense at all, no defined main characters, shallow and emotionless romance, incredibly implausible chases, and worst of all, the destruction of Yoda and the Force.

Also Attack of the Clones is much, much worse than Phantom Menace.
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kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 16:57:46
January 15 2013 16:55 GMT
#16
On January 16 2013 01:49 Mortal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 01:47 Diabulus wrote:
Oo how can you say Episode 1 is a bad movie? Anything made by George Lucas, even a porno, would be 10 stars/ 10 from me -.-


Ep1 was absolutely atrocious and added nothing to the series whatsoever. And I fucking love Liam Nesson, so it pains me that it was so trash.


I could not agree more. SWI is horribad and Liam Neesson is absolutely brilliant.

I like watching EP III and EP IV directly afterwards, as I'm actually really impressed by how dark a mood is set up in EP.
So I'm feeling really down, borderline depressed actually after seeing EP III and get a nice uplift by EP IV.
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
January 15 2013 17:17 GMT
#17
On January 16 2013 01:55 kafkaesque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 01:49 Mortal wrote:
On January 16 2013 01:47 Diabulus wrote:
Oo how can you say Episode 1 is a bad movie? Anything made by George Lucas, even a porno, would be 10 stars/ 10 from me -.-


Ep1 was absolutely atrocious and added nothing to the series whatsoever. And I fucking love Liam Nesson, so it pains me that it was so trash.


I could not agree more. SWI is horribad and Liam Neesson is absolutely brilliant.

I like watching EP III and EP IV directly afterwards, as I'm actually really impressed by how dark a mood is set up in EP.
So I'm feeling really down, borderline depressed actually after seeing EP III and get a nice uplift by EP IV.


Heres the thing about episode 1, it had a LOT of good things in it. It had a good story that if directed better would have made for a good movie, it had a great villain and good heroes which is why everyone was disapointed with how the final battle went. Episode 2 was basically all the problems episode 1 had but with a worse villain, a more annoying hero and a romance that to call forced would be like calling Usain Bolt fairly quick.
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 17:18:42
January 15 2013 17:18 GMT
#18
This sequence of viewing would work if it weren't for the fact that episode 2 was just so goddamn awful. I regretted watching it because it completely killed any enthusiasm I had for SW
Peden
Profile Joined December 2009
Denmark27 Posts
January 15 2013 17:18 GMT
#19
Might try this order one day, seems to makes a lot of sense. Maybe it would be an idea to watch the "Attack of the Phantom" version of episode II, since it really tightens up the movie, and actually makes it into a decent movie experience. I would watch it any day over the original.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
January 15 2013 17:21 GMT
#20
On January 16 2013 02:17 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 01:55 kafkaesque wrote:
On January 16 2013 01:49 Mortal wrote:
On January 16 2013 01:47 Diabulus wrote:
Oo how can you say Episode 1 is a bad movie? Anything made by George Lucas, even a porno, would be 10 stars/ 10 from me -.-


Ep1 was absolutely atrocious and added nothing to the series whatsoever. And I fucking love Liam Nesson, so it pains me that it was so trash.


I could not agree more. SWI is horribad and Liam Neesson is absolutely brilliant.

I like watching EP III and EP IV directly afterwards, as I'm actually really impressed by how dark a mood is set up in EP.
So I'm feeling really down, borderline depressed actually after seeing EP III and get a nice uplift by EP IV.


Heres the thing about episode 1, it had a LOT of good things in it. It had a good story that if directed better would have made for a good movie, it had a great villain and good heroes which is why everyone was disapointed with how the final battle went. Episode 2 was basically all the problems episode 1 had but with a worse villain, a more annoying hero and a romance that to call forced would be like calling Usain Bolt fairly quick.


I mean yeah, but is it really a feasible option to skip out on Ep 2? I mean at least for this model, I think leaving Ep 2 out would just clusterfuck the new viewer and leave them semi, if not completely, lost as to Anakin's whole deal.

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Also, Usain Bolt, meh, he's alright.
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