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On January 16 2013 05:52 a176 wrote:
and its just in the same way that ep1 revolves around anakin, the various people he meets and the adventures he goes through, even if it doesn't have much to do with the bigger picture we see in ep2/3.
Did you just compare ep.1 to A new hope  ? I mean you're free to do so obv., but it's pretty pointless imo, like comparing apples to rotten oranges :p.
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On January 16 2013 05:52 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 04:57 TrickyGilligan wrote:On January 16 2013 04:38 a176 wrote:On January 16 2013 04:02 Mortal wrote:On January 16 2013 03:58 meadbert wrote:
I totally agree with this post, although I do not advocate skipping episode 1.
451236 is the correct order. can you give an actual purpose to watching ep1? there's nothing added to the series other than an abysmal and annoying frog thing and some races. I'd like to skip ep2 as well but there's actually some shit that goes on there. i agree with the original comment on ep1 resembling something more like an 'extended' universe piece. its true most of the movie stands by itself rather than directly affecting the rest of the movies. the only notable things that lead into the other films are anakin's love for his mother, obiwan's relationship with anakin, introduction into the split in the council. as a movie itself its full of other great stories. its a good (not the "best") scifi romp. imo there's no way you can recommend ep4 and turn around and lambaste ep1. in ep4 you are thrown into the storyline with zero understanding of any of the backplot. the "force" is never really explained aside from "its there" and "jedi use it". darth vader is barely characterized in the movie aside from being the bad guy with immense unexplained power. the entire movie is basically 2.5 acts, a short introduction of luke, the main storyling of rescuing leia, and then destroying the deathstar. nothing is ever truly explained. ep4 is just as garbage as ep1 if you want to define it on the grand scale of the star wars story. ep4 can be a good movie if you like explosions and lasers and all that jazz people in the 70s loved. I was going to write something longer, but you're pretty clearly a troll and/or stupid. The burden of proof is on you. Convince me that Ep 4 sucked, and we'll talk. Saying you have no idea what "in medias res" is and that you didn't understand it only hurts your case, considering that children have no trouble following the plot. the debate was about what ep1 adds to the universe and i said ep4 does no better job at that, if at all. in the grand scale of the star wars storyline, ep4 is nothing to be proud of. ep4 is just about this guy named luke skywalker and his particular adventures in rescuing a princess and blowing up the bad guy. hey, as movie by itself, its a pretty good scifi flick. but its not until ep5 that you are able to fully appreciate the star wars universe, when you are fully immersed into the backstory of the force, the characters (darth, luke, yoda, etc), and the rebellion/empire, etc. and its just in the same way that ep1 revolves around anakin, the various people he meets and the adventures he goes through, even if it doesn't have much to do with the bigger picture we see in ep2/3.
In ep. 4 main characters have character arcs. Moreover, those character arcs are integral to the plot.
ex. Han Solo starts out as a two bit criminal looking out for himself. By the end of the movie he had developed relationships with Luke and Leia and leans to value things like self sacrifice and teamwork. Because of that arc the plot evolves very differently - Luke is not killed by Vader and destroys the Death Star.
Basic story telling elements like that are either non-existent or poorly written into the prequels.
And then there's the lazy film making - shot / reverse shot ftw... gotta drink that coffee... whatever's easiest... (see RLM review)
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episode 1 had the best cinematography of the prequels, plus the 2 jedi/sith battles - so its not complete shit.
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This is a very very chill prospect to watch. Well done. But I disagree that 1 adds nothing to the series. It's essential to the back story of Obi-Wan. It shows his struggles as a padawan with Qui-gon, and how he came to be Anakin's Master in 2. Also, Qui-Gons death, who probably should have been Anakins Master anyways, effects Obi-Wan and in turn changes how he handles Anakin, with a more stern hand.
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So if I ever bother to watch Star Wars (I haven't seen them), do many people agree with this order as sufficient?
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Episode 1 is pretty boring, but the lightsaber fight is better than pretty much every fight scene in the rest of the series combined.
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On January 16 2013 07:05 theinfamousone wrote:
Episode 1 is pretty boring, but the lightsaber fight is better than pretty much every fight scene in the rest of the series combined.
i love the vader vs luke in both 5 and 6 - especially towards the end of the last one where the music kicks in all sinister.
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On January 16 2013 07:01 divito wrote:
So if I ever bother to watch Star Wars (I haven't seen them), do many people agree with this order as sufficient?
It is sufficient and pretty interesting, I assume you are familiar with the general arc anyway?
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Jar Jar Binks isn't any worse than the Ewoks. They literally serve the same purpose in both of their respective films. Midichlorian lore isn't necessarily bad either. Episode I also had the most impressively choreographed lightsaber fight in the entire franchise. But he's right that episode I is the least relevant of the films to the overarching story. He's also spot on about II and III improving and giving further context to VI.
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On January 16 2013 07:10 ThomasjServo wrote:
It is sufficient and pretty interesting, I assume you are familiar with the general arc anyway?
I've heard enough bits and pieces over the years to have the general idea, yes. Pop culture the way it is, and being of the geek/nerd variety, there are plenty of references, jokes and what not that I've heard and obviously gleaned plenty. Still haven't sat to down to watch any of them though.
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On January 16 2013 07:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Jar Jar Binks isn't any worse than the Ewoks. They literally serve the same purpose in both of their respective films. Midichlorian lore isn't necessarily bad either. Episode I also had the most impressively choreographed lightsaber fight in the entire franchise. But he's right that episode I is the least relevant of the films to the overarching story. He's also spot on about II and III improving and giving further context to VI.
What purpose did Jar Jar Binks serve exactly? This is sorta an honest question as I only saw Episode 1-3 once each and never again.
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On January 16 2013 06:56 the_business_og wrote:
This is a very very chill prospect to watch. Well done. But I disagree that 1 adds nothing to the series. It's essential to the back story of Obi-Wan. It shows his struggles as a padawan with Qui-gon, and how he came to be Anakin's Master in 2. Also, Qui-Gons death, who probably should have been Anakins Master anyways, effects Obi-Wan and in turn changes how he handles Anakin, with a more stern hand.
It's not essential to Obi-Wan's story because by just watching first movie you know that him and darthvader know each other from the past. We don't need to know the exact details. Although, if we did get a good prequel movie about obi-wan, that would have been awesome, unfortunately ep1 is bad.
As far as the fight goes, it was just too choreographed. Too scripted, there was no tension no pathos. Mainly because we don't care about the villain and the 2 jedi's are also not very interesting characters. We only care somewhat about Obiwan because we know him from the original trilogy.
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the episode 4 is useful for the storyline I guess, but what a poor movie (acting and scenario wise). If you are not already a starwars fan, very difficult to appreciate imho...
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On January 16 2013 07:35 myBattleship wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 06:56 the_business_og wrote:
This is a very very chill prospect to watch. Well done. But I disagree that 1 adds nothing to the series. It's essential to the back story of Obi-Wan. It shows his struggles as a padawan with Qui-gon, and how he came to be Anakin's Master in 2. Also, Qui-Gons death, who probably should have been Anakins Master anyways, effects Obi-Wan and in turn changes how he handles Anakin, with a more stern hand. As far as the fight goes, it was just too choreographed. Too scripted, there was no tension no pathos. Mainly because we don't care about the villain and the 2 jedi's are also not very interesting characters. We only care somewhat about Obiwan because we know him from the original trilogy.
Have you considered that's more a subjective opinion ? I didn't care about anakin or jarjar character, but sure as hell i didn't want to see Liam Neeson to die that way, and sure as hell i thought darth maul was a badass , and the combat... man the light saber combats on episode 4-6 are not even close to the hype level. There are great parts, but not the fight themselves, but script, dialogue or background.
And i am one of those guys who saw episode 4-6 on VHS like 4-5 times a year for his infancy and part of ,my adolescence. And to be honest, episode 4 is quite weak as well when we are talking about poor character development.
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I'm really saddened by all the hate for the new star wars and star trek. I just love it all!
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Meh gives me an excuse to rewatch em,
Ill start now.
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On January 16 2013 07:27 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 07:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Jar Jar Binks isn't any worse than the Ewoks. They literally serve the same purpose in both of their respective films. Midichlorian lore isn't necessarily bad either. Episode I also had the most impressively choreographed lightsaber fight in the entire franchise. But he's right that episode I is the least relevant of the films to the overarching story. He's also spot on about II and III improving and giving further context to VI. What purpose did Jar Jar Binks serve exactly? This is sorta an honest question as I only saw Episode 1-3 once each and never again.
He was pretty much THE reason Queen Almadahla(?) was able to maintain control of Nabuu. He appealed to the Gungans to aid the surface world against the Trade Federation and their droid army, occupying its attention and allowing the queen to take the palace back.
I don't know about this belief with Episode I being irrelevant. It laid the groundwork for how the Emperor began his claim to power.
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On January 16 2013 05:52 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 04:57 TrickyGilligan wrote:On January 16 2013 04:38 a176 wrote:On January 16 2013 04:02 Mortal wrote:On January 16 2013 03:58 meadbert wrote:
I totally agree with this post, although I do not advocate skipping episode 1.
451236 is the correct order. can you give an actual purpose to watching ep1? there's nothing added to the series other than an abysmal and annoying frog thing and some races. I'd like to skip ep2 as well but there's actually some shit that goes on there. i agree with the original comment on ep1 resembling something more like an 'extended' universe piece. its true most of the movie stands by itself rather than directly affecting the rest of the movies. the only notable things that lead into the other films are anakin's love for his mother, obiwan's relationship with anakin, introduction into the split in the council. as a movie itself its full of other great stories. its a good (not the "best") scifi romp. imo there's no way you can recommend ep4 and turn around and lambaste ep1. in ep4 you are thrown into the storyline with zero understanding of any of the backplot. the "force" is never really explained aside from "its there" and "jedi use it". darth vader is barely characterized in the movie aside from being the bad guy with immense unexplained power. the entire movie is basically 2.5 acts, a short introduction of luke, the main storyling of rescuing leia, and then destroying the deathstar. nothing is ever truly explained. ep4 is just as garbage as ep1 if you want to define it on the grand scale of the star wars story. ep4 can be a good movie if you like explosions and lasers and all that jazz people in the 70s loved. I was going to write something longer, but you're pretty clearly a troll and/or stupid. The burden of proof is on you. Convince me that Ep 4 sucked, and we'll talk. Saying you have no idea what "in medias res" is and that you didn't understand it only hurts your case, considering that children have no trouble following the plot. the debate was about what ep1 adds to the universe and i said ep4 does no better job at that, if at all. in the grand scale of the star wars storyline, ep4 is nothing to be proud of. ep4 is just about this guy named luke skywalker and his particular adventures in rescuing a princess and blowing up the bad guy. hey, as movie by itself, its a pretty good scifi flick. but its not until ep5 that you are able to fully appreciate the star wars universe, when you are fully immersed into the backstory of the force, the characters (darth, luke, yoda, etc), and the rebellion/empire, etc. and its just in the same way that ep1 revolves around anakin, the various people he meets and the adventures he goes through, even if it doesn't have much to do with the bigger picture we see in ep2/3.
If you say that ep1 revolves around Anakin it's probably been a while since you've seen it. He doesn't show up untill halfway through the movie, and he doesn't have anything to do with the main storyline of the movie (the trade federation vs naboo). The writers have forced him into the movie by having him randomly blow up an entire space station on accident, barely knowing how and certainly not knowing why. >_<
Haven't seen a plot cop-out like that since, well, never!
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On January 16 2013 07:27 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 07:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Jar Jar Binks isn't any worse than the Ewoks. They literally serve the same purpose in both of their respective films. Midichlorian lore isn't necessarily bad either. Episode I also had the most impressively choreographed lightsaber fight in the entire franchise. But he's right that episode I is the least relevant of the films to the overarching story. He's also spot on about II and III improving and giving further context to VI. What purpose did Jar Jar Binks serve exactly? This is sorta an honest question as I only saw Episode 1-3 once each and never again.
Cheesy, shallow "entertainment" that only a young child could appreciate.
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On January 16 2013 07:49 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 07:35 myBattleship wrote:On January 16 2013 06:56 the_business_og wrote:
This is a very very chill prospect to watch. Well done. But I disagree that 1 adds nothing to the series. It's essential to the back story of Obi-Wan. It shows his struggles as a padawan with Qui-gon, and how he came to be Anakin's Master in 2. Also, Qui-Gons death, who probably should have been Anakins Master anyways, effects Obi-Wan and in turn changes how he handles Anakin, with a more stern hand. As far as the fight goes, it was just too choreographed. Too scripted, there was no tension no pathos. Mainly because we don't care about the villain and the 2 jedi's are also not very interesting characters. We only care somewhat about Obiwan because we know him from the original trilogy. Have you considered that's more a subjective opinion ? I didn't care about anakin or jarjar character, but sure as hell i didn't want to see Liam Neeson to die that way, and sure as hell i thought darth maul was a badass , and the combat... man the light saber combats on episode 4-6 are not even close to the hype level. There are great parts, but not the fight themselves, but script, dialogue or background. And i am one of those guys who saw episode 4-6 on VHS like 4-5 times a year for his infancy and part of ,my adolescence. And to be honest, episode 4 is quite weak as well when we are talking about poor character development.
hype level? I'm not sure what hype has to do with it. Starwars is not a kung-fu movie, those usually have weak story but cool fights. That's not what starwars is, it's a space opera not some lightsaber dance-off lol. I'm not saying that choreography of the fight is bad. But it's emotionless. You don't feel invested at all.
ep4 has 2 character arcs, Luke's and Han's. Darth Vader is not really developted a lot but he is in the movie for a good portion and he clearly displays his evil nature. He has certain motivation to do his evil deeds and he has the emperor who's a level above him as far as villains go. The story is also pretty simple and the characters fit well into it.
In ep1 the story is convoluted to the point where it makes no god damn sense. Character's constantly make stupid decisions and some characters don't even act as they are supposed to. A good example here is Qui-gon Jin or whatever Liam Neeson's character is called. He abuses his mind trick ability at least 3 times for his personal benefit, but that's totally against what the jedi stand for. And basicly, the only question that matters here. Who's the main character in the movie? And can you even describe this character without telling me any physical details about him or her?
Like queen amidala, she's .... monotone and dresses weirdly. Quigon jin? Yeah, he has a beard and supposedly he is wise?
So, you can tell me that ep4 has little character development but then ep1 has no real characters at all, there are just a bunch of guys who look bored most of the time because they have to act with green screen.
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