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On January 16 2013 01:54 Thallis wrote:
Why would you ever subject yourself to the horror that was Episode 2? The best way to watch star wars is 4, 5, 6. There's no point to watching the prequels unless you want a plot that makes no sense at all, no defined main characters, shallow and emotionless romance, incredibly implausible chases, and worst of all, the destruction of Yoda and the Force.
Also Attack of the Clones is much, much worse than Phantom Menace.
Only watching 4, 5, 6 is of course a very valid approach. The idea behind the Machete order (which I kinda failed to point out in the OP) is that the author tried to combine the old and the new triology in the best possible way. Of course, if you do not like the new movies at all, then the Machete order won't help you there and you better just stick to the old movies.
On January 16 2013 08:09 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 07:27 SupLilSon wrote:On January 16 2013 07:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Jar Jar Binks isn't any worse than the Ewoks. They literally serve the same purpose in both of their respective films. Midichlorian lore isn't necessarily bad either. Episode I also had the most impressively choreographed lightsaber fight in the entire franchise. But he's right that episode I is the least relevant of the films to the overarching story. He's also spot on about II and III improving and giving further context to VI. What purpose did Jar Jar Binks serve exactly? This is sorta an honest question as I only saw Episode 1-3 once each and never again. He was pretty much THE reason Queen Almadahla(?) was able to maintain control of Nabuu. He appealed to the Gungans to aid the surface world against the Trade Federation and their droid army, occupying its attention and allowing the queen to take the palace back. I don't know about this belief with Episode I being irrelevant. It laid the groundwork for how the Emperor began his claim to power.
The story idea of episode one is nice, and you might even be right with your last paragraph. But the point is if someone does not see Episode one and only the other five movies, he will still understand the whole story, as nothing that happens in Episode 1 is actually referenced in the later movies in a relevant way. If you leave Episode 2 away and keep 3 in, Episode 3 will not make sense because it references the second move repeatedly.
On January 16 2013 02:22 Sea_Food wrote:
Here is a better guide.
Only watch episode 3. Episode 3 is a good movie. All the other ones are super terrible. (exept 2 which is just terrible)
Can you explain why you do not like the old trilogy? I'm genuinely interested.
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My preferred order of viewing is IV, V and VI. It's almost the same as yours except I omit II and III
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On January 16 2013 08:14 myBattleship wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 07:49 Godwrath wrote:On January 16 2013 07:35 myBattleship wrote:On January 16 2013 06:56 the_business_og wrote:
This is a very very chill prospect to watch. Well done. But I disagree that 1 adds nothing to the series. It's essential to the back story of Obi-Wan. It shows his struggles as a padawan with Qui-gon, and how he came to be Anakin's Master in 2. Also, Qui-Gons death, who probably should have been Anakins Master anyways, effects Obi-Wan and in turn changes how he handles Anakin, with a more stern hand. As far as the fight goes, it was just too choreographed. Too scripted, there was no tension no pathos. Mainly because we don't care about the villain and the 2 jedi's are also not very interesting characters. We only care somewhat about Obiwan because we know him from the original trilogy. Have you considered that's more a subjective opinion ? I didn't care about anakin or jarjar character, but sure as hell i didn't want to see Liam Neeson to die that way, and sure as hell i thought darth maul was a badass , and the combat... man the light saber combats on episode 4-6 are not even close to the hype level. There are great parts, but not the fight themselves, but script, dialogue or background. And i am one of those guys who saw episode 4-6 on VHS like 4-5 times a year for his infancy and part of ,my adolescence. And to be honest, episode 4 is quite weak as well when we are talking about poor character development. hype level? I'm not sure what hype has to do with it. Starwars is not a kung-fu movie, those usually have weak story but cool fights. That's not what starwars is, it's a space opera not some lightsaber dance-off lol. I'm not saying that choreography of the fight is bad. But it's emotionless. You don't feel invested at all.
Because you say so.
In ep1 the story is convoluted to the point where it makes no god damn sense. Character's constantly make stupid decisions and some characters don't even act as they are supposed to. A good example here is Qui-gon Jin or whatever Liam Neeson's character is called. He abuses his mind trick ability at least 3 times for his personal benefit, but that's totally against what the jedi stand for. And basicly, the only question that matters here. Who's the main character in the movie? And can you even describe this character without telling me any physical details about him or her?
Like queen amidala, she's .... monotone and dresses weirdly. Quigon jin? Yeah, he has a beard and supposedly he is wise?
What you are saying here just doesn't make any sense at all. Specially the Qui-Gonn Jin "doing whatever he wants and breaking the jedi code for self benefit", which is entirely wrong. He was rebellious against many of the jedi council decisions, and that's how he is portrayed. But for self interested ? Nope.
+ Show Spoiler +""Do not defy the Council, Master, not again."
"I shall do what I must, Obi-Wan.""
Of course the movie has poor character development, but you are using double standards for both episodes. If you want to compare to something that really makes it look silly, episode 5 all the way.
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For me it's pretty clear that the best movie of the two trilogies is episode 5. Then 4 and 3 follow, being decent movie with different qualities. 1-2-6 are pretty bad. Just watch 4-5-3, or fuck, even just 5, the only really good movie in the serie.
I'll never understand people bashing 3 and saving 6 though.
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On January 16 2013 08:35 corumjhaelen wrote:
For me it's pretty clear that the best movie of the two trilogies is episode 5. Then 4 and 3 follow, being decent movie with different qualities. 1-2-6 are pretty bad. Just watch 4-5-3, or fuck, even just 5, the only really good movie in the serie.
I'll never understand people bashing 3 and saving 6 though.
but watching 4-5-3 does not really make sense story wise. you are left with a cliffhanger after 5 that never gets resolved. Also 3 as the only of the new movies is kinda confusing, as none of the characters are introduced.
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On January 16 2013 08:26 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 08:14 myBattleship wrote:On January 16 2013 07:49 Godwrath wrote:On January 16 2013 07:35 myBattleship wrote:On January 16 2013 06:56 the_business_og wrote:
This is a very very chill prospect to watch. Well done. But I disagree that 1 adds nothing to the series. It's essential to the back story of Obi-Wan. It shows his struggles as a padawan with Qui-gon, and how he came to be Anakin's Master in 2. Also, Qui-Gons death, who probably should have been Anakins Master anyways, effects Obi-Wan and in turn changes how he handles Anakin, with a more stern hand. As far as the fight goes, it was just too choreographed. Too scripted, there was no tension no pathos. Mainly because we don't care about the villain and the 2 jedi's are also not very interesting characters. We only care somewhat about Obiwan because we know him from the original trilogy. Have you considered that's more a subjective opinion ? I didn't care about anakin or jarjar character, but sure as hell i didn't want to see Liam Neeson to die that way, and sure as hell i thought darth maul was a badass , and the combat... man the light saber combats on episode 4-6 are not even close to the hype level. There are great parts, but not the fight themselves, but script, dialogue or background. And i am one of those guys who saw episode 4-6 on VHS like 4-5 times a year for his infancy and part of ,my adolescence. And to be honest, episode 4 is quite weak as well when we are talking about poor character development. hype level? I'm not sure what hype has to do with it. Starwars is not a kung-fu movie, those usually have weak story but cool fights. That's not what starwars is, it's a space opera not some lightsaber dance-off lol. I'm not saying that choreography of the fight is bad. But it's emotionless. You don't feel invested at all. Because you say so. Show nested quote +In ep1 the story is convoluted to the point where it makes no god damn sense. Character's constantly make stupid decisions and some characters don't even act as they are supposed to. A good example here is Qui-gon Jin or whatever Liam Neeson's character is called. He abuses his mind trick ability at least 3 times for his personal benefit, but that's totally against what the jedi stand for. And basicly, the only question that matters here. Who's the main character in the movie? And can you even describe this character without telling me any physical details about him or her?
Like queen amidala, she's .... monotone and dresses weirdly. Quigon jin? Yeah, he has a beard and supposedly he is wise? What you are saying here just doesn't make any sense at all. Specially the Qui-Gonn Jin "doing whatever he wants and breaking the jedi code for self benefit", which is entirely wrong. He was rebellious against many of the jedi council decisions, and that's how he is portrayed. But for self interested ? Nope. + Show Spoiler +""Do not defy the Council, Master, not again."
"I shall do what I must, Obi-Wan."" Of course the movie has poor character development, but you are using double standards for both episodes. If you want to compare to something that really makes it look silly, episode 5 all the way.
No, the fight with that red guy at the end of ep1 is not emotionless because I say so, but because it is. Again, no investment in the characters. Cool fight but not at all captivating. Again, lack of interest in either the villain or the jedi's. And who's the villain again, some random guy who barely speaks a word in the movie? Does nothing evil if I remember correctly and just wants to fight the 2 jedi at the end. It's hilarious how for some inexplicable reason the fight even happens when the 2 jedi and a bunch of soldiers stumble up-on the red evil guy. And yet they decide not to shoot him right then and there and just wanna fight him. And then one of the jedi dies. Yeah, wow. Great fight lol. And even after quigon's death, do you really care? In ep4 we see obi-wan trying to teach luke a few things, develop some kind of relationship, so when he dies there is at least some reason for Luke and the viewers to feel bad about it. There is none of it in ep1
And quigon again. He uses his tricks to win that dice roll to get the parts for his ship. Yeah well, that's not exactly morally correct for a jedi but why even bother doing this? Why not just steal the parts if you're not going to bother with being honest about it. And there are a few more times where he just uses jedi tricks for his gain.
And the quote you bring up, well that sounds awfully villain-ish for the guy who's supposed to be one of the main good guys, don't you think? He goes against all reason to train this young kid, while repeatedly being told by yoda that the kid is not a good candidate to become a jedi. There is no reason for this kid to even be in the movie. They randomly meet him when trying to fix their space ship. Just a load of bullshit.
Anyway, I'm done with this. I don't wanna spend all day arguing. You like what you like, it's all good.
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On January 16 2013 08:17 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 01:54 Thallis wrote:
Why would you ever subject yourself to the horror that was Episode 2? The best way to watch star wars is 4, 5, 6. There's no point to watching the prequels unless you want a plot that makes no sense at all, no defined main characters, shallow and emotionless romance, incredibly implausible chases, and worst of all, the destruction of Yoda and the Force.
Also Attack of the Clones is much, much worse than Phantom Menace. Only watching 4, 5, 6 is of course a very valid approach. The idea behind the Machete order (which I kinda failed to point out in the OP) is that the author tried to combine the old and the new triology in the best possible way. Of course, if you do not like the new movies at all, then the Machete order won't help you there and you better just stick to the old movies. Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 08:09 Cloud9157 wrote:On January 16 2013 07:27 SupLilSon wrote:On January 16 2013 07:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Jar Jar Binks isn't any worse than the Ewoks. They literally serve the same purpose in both of their respective films. Midichlorian lore isn't necessarily bad either. Episode I also had the most impressively choreographed lightsaber fight in the entire franchise. But he's right that episode I is the least relevant of the films to the overarching story. He's also spot on about II and III improving and giving further context to VI. What purpose did Jar Jar Binks serve exactly? This is sorta an honest question as I only saw Episode 1-3 once each and never again. He was pretty much THE reason Queen Almadahla(?) was able to maintain control of Nabuu. He appealed to the Gungans to aid the surface world against the Trade Federation and their droid army, occupying its attention and allowing the queen to take the palace back. I don't know about this belief with Episode I being irrelevant. It laid the groundwork for how the Emperor began his claim to power. The story idea of episode one is nice, and you might even be right with your last paragraph. But the point is if someone does not see Episode one and only the other five movies, he will still understand the whole story, as nothing that happens in Episode 1 is actually referenced in the later movies in a relevant way. If you leave Episode 2 away and keep 3 in, Episode 3 will not make sense because it references the second move repeatedly. Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 02:22 Sea_Food wrote:
Here is a better guide.
Only watch episode 3. Episode 3 is a good movie. All the other ones are super terrible. (exept 2 which is just terrible) Can you explain why you do not like the old trilogy? I'm genuinely interested.
I honestly think episode 3 by itself would make sense. Most of the important details are failry easily understood; they are at war, Anakin is in love with Padme, and the emporer is evil and controls the senate. There are some references that arent well understood but its not central to the plot and a first time viewer is probably better off watching as little of episode 2 as possible.
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On January 16 2013 08:35 corumjhaelen wrote:
I'll never understand people bashing 3 and saving 6 though.
How about 6 contains some of the most memorable scenes in movie history, while 3 has some of the most laughable scenes in movie history ?
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On January 16 2013 01:51 Skullflower wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 01:47 Diabulus wrote:
Oo how can you say Episode 1 is a bad movie? Anything made by George Lucas, even a porno, would be 10 stars/ 10 from me -.- Because fuck Jar Jar Binks.
I was not sure about the OP until I saw your quote. So fucking true.
Now i'm committed to trying the Machete order.
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This is off topic, but has anyone else noticed that Luke Skywalker has more Sith and less Jedi in him than his father?
So Anakin feels terrible after killing the Sand People, but that is like one village.
Meanwhile Luke destroys an entire Death Star while losing his whole team (other than Wedge) in episode 4 and shrugs it off.
In Return of the Jedi, he leaves no one alive when rescuing Hahn Solo from Jabba the Hut.
"Grab the gun. Point it at the deck." ... REALLY?!?! The resistance was about done. Did he really need to finish off everyone there? Anakin was retaliating for killing his mother, but in Luke's case Hahn was not even killed.
It seems Luke takes no prisoners and leaves no one alive and does so without second guessing.
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I bring this up because my daughter kept asking why he blew up the whole Skiff after rescuing Hahn.
Side Story: When she watched A New Hope, my daughter basically treated the whole movie like a Disney princess movie about rescuing a Princess. It all made sense to her until the final awards ceremony scene when she asked:
"Daddy? Why is Luke Skywalker marrying Hahn Solo and not Princess Leia?"
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On January 16 2013 21:11 HeatEXTEND wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 08:35 corumjhaelen wrote:
I'll never understand people bashing 3 and saving 6 though. How about 6 contains some of the most memorable scenes in movie history, while 3 has some of the most laughable scenes in movie history ?
I actually think 3-5 are the best 3 movies. Why oh why did teddy bears need to bring down the empire?
Return of the Jedi had some great parts. The speeder bikes were very well done. The special affects for the space battle scenes were totally by far the best ever at that time. Luke, Vader and the Emperor together was worth watching.
It has a lot going for it and the special effects by themselves were amazing enough at the time to convince me it was the greatest movie I had ever seen when I walked out of the theater, but I was only 5 at the time and the "Teddy Bear" factor has become more annoying as I age.
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On January 16 2013 21:11 HeatEXTEND wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 08:35 corumjhaelen wrote:
I'll never understand people bashing 3 and saving 6 though. How about 6 contains some of the most memorable scenes in movie history, while 3 has some of the most laughable scenes in movie history ?
I'd like to know what memorable scenes 6 contains. It's only redeeming quality is the space battle, for the rest, the construction is simplist, then tension between Luke/Vador and The Emperor artifical, the directing subpar, the ewoks cringeworthy...
For all its problems (the Anakin/Amidala relationship) 3 has a much more interesting storyand two excellent, albeit a bit long fight scenes.
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On January 17 2013 00:08 meadbert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 21:11 HeatEXTEND wrote:On January 16 2013 08:35 corumjhaelen wrote:
I'll never understand people bashing 3 and saving 6 though. How about 6 contains some of the most memorable scenes in movie history, while 3 has some of the most laughable scenes in movie history ? I actually think 3-5 are the best 3 movies. Why oh why did teddy bears need to bring down the empire? Return of the Jedi had some great parts. The speeder bikes were very well done. The special affects for the space battle scenes were totally by far the best ever at that time. Luke, Vader and the Emperor together was worth watching. It has a lot going for it and the special effects by themselves were amazing enough at the time to convince me it was the greatest movie I had ever seen when I walked out of the theater, but I was only 5 at the time and the "Teddy Bear" factor has become more annoying as I age.
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Teddy bears huh? 
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Lol...
I've ONLY watched it in your so called Machete order...
But either way i'm sure its hard NOT to love Star Wars 
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On January 17 2013 00:29 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 21:11 HeatEXTEND wrote:On January 16 2013 08:35 corumjhaelen wrote:
I'll never understand people bashing 3 and saving 6 though. How about 6 contains some of the most memorable scenes in movie history, while 3 has some of the most laughable scenes in movie history ? I'd like to know what memorable scenes 6 contains. It's only redeeming quality is the space battle, for the rest, the construction is simplist, then tension between Luke/Vador and The Emperor artifical, the directing subpar, the ewoks cringeworthy... For all its problems (the Anakin/Amidala relationship) 3 has a much more interesting storyand two excellent, albeit a bit long fight scenes.
Why is the Emperor artificial? He was the single highlight of that film.
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The fight scenes in 1-3 are silly and overblown in my opinion. There's too many acrobatics and they go on for far too long.
1-3 are actually not very good films at all once you take them out of the Star Wars context. The acting is poor and the plot meanders pretty horribly.
Considering the entirety of the film franchise ends up being primarily based around Anakin/Darth Vader, they didn't half cock things up with the poor quality of 1-3.
4 and 5 are definitely the best films of the lot. 6 isn't bad: it's not as consistent the whole way through like 4 and 5 but there are some cool scenes.
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There's like 30min of useless Ewoks in the 6th movie.
It's very hard to watch it seriously in 2013. 30 years is a long time, so it's not surprising.
But 5 got old prettier.
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On January 17 2013 02:21 Noocta wrote:
There's like 30min of useless Ewoks in the 6th movie.
It's very hard to watch it seriously in 2013. 30 years is a long time, so it's not surprising.
But 5 got old prettier.
There were at least 30 minutes of useless C3P0/R2D2 footage at the beginning of A New Hope. They were supposed to be the avatars of the audience, but the inevitable shift of narrative focus away from them meant a loss of dramatic unity.
Both ANH and ROTJ had problems with pacing and structure. The question of which was the better film depends on if you prefer ROTJ's cleaner production values and gothic themes or ANH's more faithful rendition of classical archetypes in its plot and characters.
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On January 17 2013 02:05 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 00:29 corumjhaelen wrote:On January 16 2013 21:11 HeatEXTEND wrote:On January 16 2013 08:35 corumjhaelen wrote:
I'll never understand people bashing 3 and saving 6 though. How about 6 contains some of the most memorable scenes in movie history, while 3 has some of the most laughable scenes in movie history ? I'd like to know what memorable scenes 6 contains. It's only redeeming quality is the space battle, for the rest, the construction is simplist, then tension between Luke/Vador and The Emperor artifical, the directing subpar, the ewoks cringeworthy... For all its problems (the Anakin/Amidala relationship) 3 has a much more interesting storyand two excellent, albeit a bit long fight scenes. Why is the Emperor artificial? He was the single highlight of that film.
Not the Emperor, the dramatic tension between the three characters. Those scene feel extremely long for little dramatic impact and are extremely predictable. I'd agree the actor is pretty fun though.
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I actually just had a chance to marathon Star Wars and did that in the Machete order. I was aware of the story, but never seen all of the movies, especially older ones. So I sat down... watched the whole thing... loved it!
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