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On January 05 2016 01:57 Charoisaur wrote:
One of the biggest logic holes in TFA (next to Ren vs Rey) is that a small organization like the first order can build something even stronger than the deathstars of the empire for which the empire with all its ressources and hundreds of planets needed years to build it. Just ridicolous.
In Episode III, they are already building the death star. It takes them 30 more years to complete, I guess.
One of the worst things about it is that they can actually see the beams of the weapons from across the galaxy. When I saw that scene I knew 100% that they were destroying the moons around that planet, but missing the actual planet.
So that beam had fucking archlength. Makes me want to take a calculator and calculate how many light years across that beam must have been.
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It’s a universe where they can communicate between systems instantly with zero delay. So shooting between systems isn’t really that impressive if they have that level of tech.
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On January 04 2016 18:12 AlgeriaT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 11:58 c3rberUs wrote:
I don't know why anyone would criticize Snoke's CGI when he's a hologram... Because he looks like a hologram of a CGI character?
Seems pretty obvious to me that Snoke does not really look like his hologram avatar. The CGI is on point.
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On January 05 2016 03:23 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 18:12 AlgeriaT wrote:On January 04 2016 11:58 c3rberUs wrote:
I don't know why anyone would criticize Snoke's CGI when he's a hologram... Because he looks like a hologram of a CGI character? Seems pretty obvious to me that Snoke does not really look like his hologram avatar. The CGI is on point.
Uh, what? It's a hologram of himself, detailed enough to see his character was CGI. The hologram is a 3D visual representation of himself, not of an "avatar".
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I think he is saying that it was a "wizard of oz" moment. Stoke might be more than he presents. I am interested in the reason why he is CGI and not an actor.
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On January 04 2016 23:08 Plansix wrote:
They hid Luke Skywalker by giving him the same last name as his father.
Not a flaw at all. We have no reason to believe he's even in hiding according to ANH. When we learn he's related to Darth Vader (which would make this a flaw with ESB, not ANH), it's still not an issue because in ANH it's obvious Anakin and Owen never saw eye to eye and the idea of him dropping in for a visit is hardly likely. We don't know why Anakin believes himself to have no children, but he clearly doesn't. Now, the prequels - yes, I think the prequels make this an issue, but hey, the prequels are fucking awful and not something I have any interest in defending.
Death Star’s flaw: Hole in the side that leads directly to the reactor, very common on battle stations. Can’t be closed either, even after the Imperials figure out the plan.
Yeah, it's an odd weakness for sure. But it's a shot that's impossible to make for a computer; only a Force user can manage it, and in the originals, it's clear that these are exceptionally rare and beyond memory even (prequels mess this up, but again, not going to defend the prequels). This is the biggest weakness of the plot, but I don't think it's close to TFA levels.
Tractor beam is powered down, no one notices.
Did you miss when Tarkin and Vader say they're allowing them to escape ("I'm taking an awful risk") so they can track them? And when Leia re-emphasises the point by saying they've done it ("They let us go. It was the only reason for the ease of our escape")? If you miss an explanation given twice that's not really the script's fault.
Apparently Imperials can’t open their own blast doors
Wouldn't the whole point be that they can only be opened by someone with particular clearance? If you're fighting in a station (which is the only reason you'd have them) then them being openable without clearance rather defeats their purpose.
also apparently shooting controls disables controls on the other side, who knew?
Why wouldn't it? I don't get this argument at all. Seems rather likely they'd be linked, or you'd have a short circuit or whatever.
Storm Troopers wear helmets in their own, enclosed base to make sure that rebels can easily infiltrate it.
They're necessary for communications. No mobile phones in 1977. And there are other possible reasons for it which I won't bother to go into.
Rebels are the worst, with all their leadership in one place to be easily blown up.
Rebels are supposed to be extremely hard pressed, of course they're weak. That's the whole point of the struggle. It's plainly not the whole organisation either - Leia was a leader and wasn't on the base, for instance. Always seemed to me that it was just the central hub. Not seeing the problem.
IDK man, I think you're really reaching. One of your complaints shows you didn't understand a central plot point which is explicitly stated, so. . .
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I think Snoke will probably end up being the same race as orange not-Yoda in TFA was and only a few feet tall. Wouldn't surprise me anyway.
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On January 05 2016 03:32 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 03:23 ZenithM wrote:On January 04 2016 18:12 AlgeriaT wrote:On January 04 2016 11:58 c3rberUs wrote:
I don't know why anyone would criticize Snoke's CGI when he's a hologram... Because he looks like a hologram of a CGI character? Seems pretty obvious to me that Snoke does not really look like his hologram avatar. The CGI is on point. Uh, what? It's a hologram of himself, detailed enough to see his character was CGI. The hologram is a 3D visual representation of himself, not of an "avatar".
How do you know that? I mean, what's more likely? A 20 foot tall villain, or a fabricated avatar to hide his real appearance?
Edit: Well apparently, nobody else thinks he doesn't look like that :D. And what I've found on the Internet just now seems to confirm that it's just an oversized display of his real appearance.
That would disappoint me greatly 
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On January 05 2016 03:54 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 03:32 kwizach wrote:On January 05 2016 03:23 ZenithM wrote:On January 04 2016 18:12 AlgeriaT wrote:On January 04 2016 11:58 c3rberUs wrote:
I don't know why anyone would criticize Snoke's CGI when he's a hologram... Because he looks like a hologram of a CGI character? Seems pretty obvious to me that Snoke does not really look like his hologram avatar. The CGI is on point. Uh, what? It's a hologram of himself, detailed enough to see his character was CGI. The hologram is a 3D visual representation of himself, not of an "avatar". How do you know that? I mean, what's more likely? A 20 foot tall villain, or a fabricated avatar to hide his real appearance? Edit: Well apparently, nobody else thinks he doesn't look like that :D. And what I've found on the Internet just now seems to confirm that it's just an oversized display of his real appearance. So yeah, the CGI is probably not that great...
Yes, to me it was just a bigger projection of himself.
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I am under the impression that he will be larger than the standard human frame. With the focus on practical effects, I doubt they would make a core character that was all CGI unless it was 100% necessary in the character’s design.
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On January 05 2016 02:46 Plansix wrote:
It’s a universe where they can communicate between systems instantly with zero delay. So shooting between systems isn’t really that impressive if they have that level of tech.
Not when you have a background in physics. Sending a supernova worth of energy across the universe is completely different from sending just a few kilowatt.
But, I deliberately didn't make that point. If optics and trig work differently in the Star Wars universe, that is a problem.
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On January 05 2016 04:11 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 02:46 Plansix wrote:
It’s a universe where they can communicate between systems instantly with zero delay. So shooting between systems isn’t really that impressive if they have that level of tech. Not when you have a background in physics. Sending a supernova worth of energy across the universe is completely different from sending just a few kilowatt. But, I deliberately didn't make that point. If optics and trig work differently in the Star Wars universe, that is a problem.
Why?
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On January 05 2016 04:12 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 04:11 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:On January 05 2016 02:46 Plansix wrote:
It’s a universe where they can communicate between systems instantly with zero delay. So shooting between systems isn’t really that impressive if they have that level of tech. Not when you have a background in physics. Sending a supernova worth of energy across the universe is completely different from sending just a few kilowatt. But, I deliberately didn't make that point. If optics and trig work differently in the Star Wars universe, that is a problem. Why?
The distance between solar systems is massive. Like crazy huge. It’s one of the things that sci-fi sort of glosses over with magic. Lag-free communication that worked like a skype call would be some physics bending shit if you think about the logistics behind it and what would be necessary. Way more impressive that light speed or a death star. Star killer is impressive in concept, but not when you think they use some worm hole, time bending tech to place a call. The tech levels in Star Wars are all over the place.
But I’m getting to into hard sci-fi for star wars. Even Star Trek. Side note, artificial gravity would be the most dangerous thing on any star ship. They would turn that shit off in combat, but never do because zero-G costs a fuck ton to shoot.
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Just stop arguing science in Star Wars.
They got instant travel and tons of other extreme shit. Yet their robots can't send some map data to a ship nearbye and they constantly have to meet people in person...
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Also security camera's do not exist. They have AI complex enough to have emotions and agency, but for some reason they can't create one to watch a bunch of cameras.
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It's a delicate balancing act, we can ignore the bullshit to a degree but when some of the dumb shit in TFA happened it opened up the can of worms. 
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A new star wars movie opened up this can of worms. If they had made a regular old deathstar again, I would still be talking about how fucking stupid space stations that destroy planets are. Planets are lame, you just need rocks to destroy them. And you only need one good one to destroy an ecosystem.
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Face it, was there any chance that this movie wasn't going to be subject to criticism beyond what any sane movie could possibly face unscathed? We look at the OT uncritically but they are all flawed in their own irrelevant ways.
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Yeah I'm writing a blog called "The Fault in our Star (Wars)". I'm pretty proud of the title.
Should've just gone with an orbital MAC platform from Halo. Those things fire 500K ton depleted uranium slugs at a fraction of the speed of light. 52 gigatons of explosive goodness. I think a simulation showed that one of those could crack the crust and cause massive earthquakes, so by most standards probably enough.
Then again, I'm assuming that not-Coruscant had some sort of "virtually indestructible planetary shield" which had to be overcome. Cuz y'know, apparently everything in Star Wars has those, though apparently they're completely fucking worthless.
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Maybe this has been asked before but wouldn't a huge space station/ planet such as starkiller have a little more than 30 or so Tie fighters to defend it ?
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