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Plansix
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ZenithM
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On January 05 2016 04:21 Plansix wrote: The distance between solar systems is massive. Like crazy huge. It’s one of the things that sci-fi sort of glosses over with magic. Lag-free communication that worked like a skype call would be some physics bending shit if you think about the logistics behind it and what would be necessary. Way more impressive that light speed or a death star. Star killer is impressive in concept, but not when you think they use some worm hole, time bending tech to place a call. The tech levels in Star Wars are all over the place. But I’m getting to into hard sci-fi for star wars. Even Star Trek. Side note, artificial gravity would be the most dangerous thing on any star ship. They would turn that shit off in combat, but never do because zero-G costs a fuck ton to shoot. I know the science behind those things. I was asking "why" it matters in term of story-telling? But I probably need to explicit what I think, this was a rhetorical question, I don't think it matters :D. | ||
KwarK
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LegalLord
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On January 05 2016 05:21 ZenithM wrote: I know the science behind those things. I was asking "why" it matters in term of story-telling? But I probably need to explicit what I think, this was a rhetorical question, I don't think it matters :D. The point is that the science doesn't matter. It's a fantasy rather than a hard sci-fi story. It's allowed to take creative science leeways for the purpose of good storytelling. | ||
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kwizach
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akatama
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Plansix
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ticklishmusic
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Like Anakin's "fall" was kind of dumb too, but we can plaster over that because, well, I guess the prequel trilogy sucked so much ass that it didn't stand out too much. | ||
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trulojucreathrma.com
United States327 Posts
Because Star Wars isn't science fiction. A fantasy world doesn't need a consistent magical system, or a detailed one, per se. Sanderson said some good things about that. Some fantasy uses magic as plot magic, others use it as a predefined system with rules the story has to follow. You can handwave the beam going at hyperspeed. You can say it doesn't need explanation because, plot. But you can't say they can see an object a million times larger, and brighter, than it should appear. I don't think you can just adjust the visual properties of something. Because the visual is what you see all the time. Can you suddenly make the midichlorians in Rey become visible as if they were life-sized, if the plot required it? I mean, if these is a space battle in the next starsystem, can we now also see it in the sky? You can't have a world that is complete chaos. You have to have fixed length scales, you need to have causality. (unless the story is about not having those). Everyone that has seen Cosmos, by Sagan or deGrasse, turned on Discovery to watch Morgen Freeman explain something, will just be outright confused about what they are seeing. They know the scales are so many magnitudes off, they think they see moons. If your storytelling is confusing, it is bad. That's different from seeing something, knowing exactly what is happening, but objecting: "How does that science work." | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 05 2016 06:55 ticklishmusic wrote: I can buy that bit but I feel like they began at an awkward point in his fall to the dark side arc and just didn't do a great job of it. I'm not getting the discordant, alternating bits of powerful, destructive Sith lord and poor confused guy who wants to be saved, I'm getting a tantrum throwing Hot Topic guy with Force powers. Like Anakin's "fall" was kind of dumb too, but we can plaster over that because, well, I guess the prequel trilogy sucked so much ass that it didn't stand out too much. I liked that scene a lot because it sets the tone for the character. He makes jokes, but is also willing to kill someone just for bringing up his family. It shows him that he is a force user and powerful enough to stop a blaster bolt in the air. He likes to get face to face with his victims, because he does it with both the first guy and Poe. But then he doesn’t turn in Finn. He doesn’t kill his own troops like Vader. He seems hyper focused on Rey and freaks out when he hears about her at all. He is an interesting character that is well acted, but isn’t Vader. And the movie directly addresses that fact, he isn’t Vader yet. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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Again for reference: https://twitter.com/KyloR3n | ||
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Plansix
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But that twitter feed is hysterical. | ||
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trulojucreathrma.com
United States327 Posts
I just fear that they failed to follow their own script with Kylo Ren rather than they actually want this effect. I think I am in the minority to like Kylo Ren, I am sure. For them, it may be an unintentional artistic high-point, but a business mistake. | ||
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Plansix
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And all my friends like Kylo Ren a lot. I don't think anyone I have talked with disliked the character at all. I don't think you are in the minority. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
And yes fuck him for killing Han that pissed me off to no end. Could've just frozen him in carbonite again. | ||
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LegalLord
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
They did their best to get rid of them as much as they possibly could. Good luck dealing with Luke Skywalker in the next film, though. . .Probably just going to cheaply kill him off as quick as possible. | ||
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Plansix
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LegalLord
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On January 05 2016 07:42 FuzzyJAM wrote: Harrison Ford seems like the most awkward guy on the planet and presumably commands a ludicrous fee. Carrie Fisher can barely act. Mark Hamill would necessarily take the entire focus of the plot. They did their best to get rid of them as much as they possibly could. Good luck dealing with Luke Skywalker in the next film, though. . .Probably just going to cheaply kill him off as quick as possible. Ford got 0.5% of gross, which now means well over $5 million. Plus a few million worth of straight pay. Fisher did well here. Small part but well played. Doubt we'll see much of her because of the three, she is least relevant to the plot. They specifically made Luke vanish because they knew he would steal the spotlight. I hope they don't kill him off because we already got a hero sacrifice with Han. They might just sideline him with some form of "this is your destiny, not mine" to keep him out of the action. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Yes it is a movie which sole purpose was to give us new characters, but it does it pretty well and every single one of the new actors plays better than any old one (in the OT). Which is GOOD. The action was nice, the cinematography too. The pacing was a little bit off, but the second time it didn't bother me nearly as much. You can clearly tell that there are a lot of little details in the movie (like bb8 looking down to the next step when he follows rey in maz' building) I think it perfectly sets up the new trilogy, even when there are flaws in (plot) writting here and there (which is to be expected, pretty much every action movie has those) I hope Hamill got better as an actor, otherwise he will ruin the next movie  | ||
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