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TheEmulator
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On January 06 2016 01:42 FuzzyJAM wrote: What contextualising is there? Where is there anything about the relationship between the Resistance and the Republic or how they work with the First Order or who controls the galaxy or the relative strength of any party or anything like that? As far as I can recall, all we're told is that the First Order "rose from the ashes of the Empire" while the Resistance is "supported" by the Republic. That tells us nothing about relative strength or who's running the place - if anything, it implies the First Order is mostly in charge (hence the Republic's military wing being the Resistance and so tiny) which is not the case. What's actually happening, apparently, is that the Republic is controlling pretty much the whole galaxy (presumably the same control as ye olde Republic) but has disbanded its military wing and has ignored the First Order, which isn't seen as a threat and appears to have no control over anywhere. The Resistance is fighting them while getting some funding, but not very much, from the Republic. Which is all a little contrived and plainly an attempt to discontinue the previous storyline and just set up Empire vs. Rebels again. But whatever, if you got that from the films then congrats, 'cause I don't imagine anyone else did. No i obviosly didn't get all the details about the current situation in the movie because it isn't there. But i got the relative strength through Hux' speech and some other dialogue scenes with the resistence. It could be more fleshed out for sure and i think that would make the movie better. IIRC they did cut a lot of the scenes which are about the politics, maybe there will be a directors cut someday? :D They probably thought they shouldn't slow down with these scenes, scared people would remember the prequels or something  If you have the chance you really should watch the OV btw (to all europeans), i think it makes a difference (even though Rey was kinda over the top with her pronunciation here and there, but maybe that's just me) | ||
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On January 06 2016 03:03 TheEmulator wrote: I've always felt like Deus Ex Machina would be a sweet name for a video game Well there's already Deus Ex, which is arguably the greatest game ever made. . . Sorry for being stupid, but what does OV mean? But yeah, there was a plain overreaction to the prequels being terrible in the complete lack of any info on what was going on. I can see why they were so scared, but if they'd just brought it back to the original levels (e.g. ANH, where they briefly talk about disbanding the senate in an entertaining scene which gives other important info and characterisation without having a tedious scene which shows a political debate), that would have worked considerably better as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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I mean yeah i would have prefered it too i think. But in the end the movie creates a situation in which the empire and the first oder should be about even for the next movies (or the new order even ahead) Which is okay i think, not terribly well done but it is enough for the actual story. | ||
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Deus ex machina (Latin: [ˈdeʊs ɛks ˈmaː.kʰɪ.naː]: /ˈdeɪ.əs ɛks ˈmɑːkiːnə/ or /ˈdiːəs ɛks ˈmækɨnə/  1] plural: dei ex machina) is a Latin calque from Greek ἀπὸ μηχανῆς θεός (apò mēkhanês theós), meaning "god from the machine".[2] The term has evolved to mean a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object. Depending on how it is done, it can be intended to move the story forward when the writer has "painted himself into a corner" and sees no other way out, to surprise the audience, to bring the tale to a happy ending, or as a comedic device.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina | ||
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kwizach
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On January 06 2016 04:47 Plansix wrote: Really, all that could have been handled in the cold open. But also it is fine behind handled in outside media outside the movies. You never hear about how Vader, the main villain, became a robot man in 4-6. Maz summed it up with her telling of the dark size rising to power again. That if it wasn't the First Order, it would be someone else. Vader's personal story is not the political context of the galaxy. In ANH, we learn that there is a civil war, with a Galactic Empire controlling most of the galaxy and a rebel alliance fighting it while severely at a disadvantage in terms of human and material resources. We also learn early in the movie that after dissolving the Senate council, the Empire plans to keep order in the galaxy by delegating control of their respective sectors to regional governors, and to keep systems in check through fear of the Death Star. The entire context is clearly presented and allows us to understand everyone's place and relative strength in the conflict. Thirty-eight years and a huge budget later, TFA couldn't achieve something as basic as this. Also, can we all agree that Leia hugging Rey (that she's never met, unless perhaps before Rey was left on Jakku but we see no sign of Leia recognizing her and Han didn't seem to) at the end instead of Chewbacca (who we see walking right by them) makes no sense? edit: which original version are some of you talking about? It seemed like you were talking about an OV of TFA, but I supposed you were referencing ANH? | ||
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The shot is intentional and does not make sense with the current information we have. But given how people respond to Rey, from Kylo to Maz, I assume we will receive the context for it later. A friend of mine thought that Rey might just be the youngest member of the Jedi academy who wasn't killed. That maybe Luke was bringing her back for training when Kylo attacked and that is why she remembers and is connected to the saber. On January 06 2016 05:13 LegalLord wrote: Honestly I see no problem. Women tend to express sympathy through hugging more often than men do. Fix it so you don't sound like a ferengi. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.quickmeme.com/img/f4/f45295c776d1631e114b953721eedc1bd42a5668c0d66b5f1fe16a713ea095e3.jpg) | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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A friend of mine thought that Rey might just be the youngest member of the Jedi academy who wasn't killed. That maybe Luke was bringing her back for training when Kylo attacked and that is why she remembers and is connected to the saber. Some say Kylo saved her there (he is killing some guy who faces Rey at that moment in the vision) and then placed her on Jakku. Kylo seems to be very euhm excited when the first order guy tells him there is a girl. Her being Luke's daughter or at least student seems pretty save to say imo. Kylo knowing her to some extent too. | ||
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Plansix
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On January 06 2016 05:50 B.I.G. wrote: Maybe the big plot twist in 8 will be Luke saying: "Rey, I am NOT your father". This is really good. To obviously and self aware for the films themselves, but really good. If our theories are true, I expect many webcomics to use this. | ||
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kwizach
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On January 06 2016 05:14 Plansix wrote: No, that Rey and Han got along well and he liked her. And they play the Han/Leia theme there, which I assume is not by mistake. Maybe she hugs Chewbacca afterwords. Maybe they have a heart to heart later on. Maybe Wookies don't like to be touched when they are sad. I'm not sure how Han liking someone he just met is supposed to justify not acknowledging Chewbacca at all and hugging that person instead (whom Leia has never met as far as we know/she knows). On January 06 2016 05:14 Plansix wrote: The shot is intentional and does not make sense with the current information we have. But given how people respond to Rey, from Kylo to Maz, I assume we will receive the context for it later. The problem is that it does not make sense from the perspective of the characters either. On January 06 2016 05:13 LegalLord wrote: Honestly I see no problem. Women tend to express sympathy through hugging more often than men do. We see Chewbacca hug Leia earlier in the movie. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Han probably told Leia about Rey, that she got caught by Kylo Ren, etc They probably have a connection through the force as well. Maybe Leia even knows/assumes that Rey is Luke's daughter (if she is). It really isn't all that important, unless you make a big deal out of it. | ||
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