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On August 22 2014 02:33 B1nary wrote:
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How the hell could Louis think that blackmailing his way to named partner is a good idea? I was actually surprised when he said it. I thought he was just going to ask for a client and leave. What good is being named partner when the other two named partners hate you for what you did?
Agreed. It's never so simple with Louis though, and seeing as how he hit rock bottom, I'm not particularly surprised that he's trying to make a huge jump upwards instead of slowly climb back with his tail between his legs.
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On August 22 2014 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Haha very true Kipsate. She totally mishandled the firing Louis thing, which Louis justifiably brought up when he pointed out how she fired him for the first illegal thing he did, and how it was still nothing compared to Mike's situation.
I don't think Jessica mishandled firing Louis. Maybe she could have been a little nicer about it but the point she brought up in the previous episode is right, that he is CONSTANTLY doing things he's told not to do and messing things up.
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On August 22 2014 03:22 ArchAngelSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Haha very true Kipsate. She totally mishandled the firing Louis thing, which Louis justifiably brought up when he pointed out how she fired him for the first illegal thing he did, and how it was still nothing compared to Mike's situation. I don't think Jessica mishandled firing Louis. Maybe she could have been a little nicer about it but the point she brought up in the previous episode is right, that he is CONSTANTLY doing things he's told not to do and messing things up.
I agree that Louis sucks at communicating and often does screw things up, but I think it's extremely inconsistent for Jessica to allow Mike to work in the firm (and he's screwed up things too) but fire Louis, especially when Mike's very existence as a lawyer always jeopardizes the firm.
Just looking at Louis and not Mike, I do think that Jessica should have punished Louis. But when looking at the bigger picture, I don't think firing Louis was right.
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On August 22 2014 03:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 03:22 ArchAngelSC wrote:On August 22 2014 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Haha very true Kipsate. She totally mishandled the firing Louis thing, which Louis justifiably brought up when he pointed out how she fired him for the first illegal thing he did, and how it was still nothing compared to Mike's situation. I don't think Jessica mishandled firing Louis. Maybe she could have been a little nicer about it but the point she brought up in the previous episode is right, that he is CONSTANTLY doing things he's told not to do and messing things up. I agree that Louis sucks at communicating and often does screw things up, but I think it's extremely inconsistent for Jessica to allow Mike to work in the firm (and he's screwed up things too) but fire Louis, especially when Mike's very existence as a lawyer always jeopardizes the firm. Just looking at Louis and not Mike, I do think that Jessica should have punished Louis. But when looking at the bigger picture, I don't think firing Louis was right.
Doesn't mike have leverage on Jessica though? I remember quite a while back he got her computer hacked and was able to prove that she knew about him and didn't report it or something like that, and said if she ever tried to pull some shit on him he'd get her arrested.
Was quite a while ago though and I don't really remember all the details.
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On August 22 2014 04:37 ArchAngelSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 03:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 22 2014 03:22 ArchAngelSC wrote:On August 22 2014 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Haha very true Kipsate. She totally mishandled the firing Louis thing, which Louis justifiably brought up when he pointed out how she fired him for the first illegal thing he did, and how it was still nothing compared to Mike's situation. I don't think Jessica mishandled firing Louis. Maybe she could have been a little nicer about it but the point she brought up in the previous episode is right, that he is CONSTANTLY doing things he's told not to do and messing things up. I agree that Louis sucks at communicating and often does screw things up, but I think it's extremely inconsistent for Jessica to allow Mike to work in the firm (and he's screwed up things too) but fire Louis, especially when Mike's very existence as a lawyer always jeopardizes the firm. Just looking at Louis and not Mike, I do think that Jessica should have punished Louis. But when looking at the bigger picture, I don't think firing Louis was right. Doesn't mike have leverage on Jessica though? I remember quite a while back he got her computer hacked and was able to prove that she knew about him and didn't report it or something like that, and said if she ever tried to pull some shit on him he'd get her arrested. Was quite a while ago though and I don't really remember all the details.
Mike found out that Jessica didn't originally fire him the second she found out he was a fraud, because (iirc) Harvey threatened to leave if she fired Mike ("If you fire Mike you'd have to fire me too, because I knew when I hired him he was a fraud."). So Jessica allowed Mike to stay, and now she can't fire Mike because she already allowed him to stay. She could have fired Mike and called Harvey's bluff, but she didn't.
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Oh man what a (not even) finale.
First things first, Katrina :'(. I was hit right in the feels.
Then I got a bit annoyed at Mike asking for the key a second time, he should have picked up the clue on the first time, Louis said something like "Don't ask questions you know the answers to".
And finally Rick Hoffman went on some godlike acting rampage. That was... so good. Pearson...Specter...Litt... Although I can't see how this can end well for Louis, having antagonized about anyone in the firm. I can see Katrina coming back though, so he's got a loyal ally.
I don't really mind some flaws in the scenario (like the Mike+key thing), I can suspend my disbelief alright, I only care about the sharp-tongued drama and the glorious lines and the raw coolness of it all. Damn Suits is good.
Edit: Also, I see some of you are discussing about how Jessica bitch-fired Louis at the first illegal thing he did and it being compared to how she let it pass when it was about Mike. But really, it wasn't about Mike the first time, it was about Harvey. We all know (as Louis certainly does) that she values Harvey immensely more than Louis.
Edit2: I fear that in the remaining of the season Louis will be this mega-douchebag bully that we know is in secret super extra awesome. But I won't like him fight with Mike, Harvey and Donna when they all cared a lot about him :/
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Katrina got way more screen time than Rachel this season finale...
Perhaps, the writers are picking up on the fact that Rachel's storyline is kinda bleh....
More Katrina please....
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didn't louis call pearson specter his home the previous episode?
Trying to bring the "captain down with the ship" doesn't seem like what you would do to your home.
also, he just left his job and he has no qualms moving to another law firm so long as it's a major one in new york.
i wonder who's the real hypocrite now.
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I really am not sold that he is actually going to get name partner from the blackmail. He will for sure get rehired as senior partner and maybe Jessica will give him some case and say "if you win you get name partner" but I just cant imagine it being that easy.
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On August 22 2014 09:55 Adreme wrote:
I really am not sold that he is actually going to get name partner from the blackmail. He will for sure get rehired as senior partner and maybe Jessica will give him some case and say "if you win you get name partner" but I just cant imagine it being that easy.
I agree. Jessica has attacked before when cornered by Louis, and I don't think she's going to give in so easily.
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Louis in this episode seems so forced and completely out of character from how he was in the past couple episodes. He talked about the firm being his family and now is so intent on going after it.
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On August 22 2014 07:13 kaykaykay wrote:
didn't louis call pearson specter his home the previous episode?
Trying to bring the "captain down with the ship" doesn't seem like what you would do to your home.
also, he just left his job and he has no qualms moving to another law firm so long as it's a major one in new york.
i wonder who's the real hypocrite now.
He felt utterly betrayed and lied to by his old family.
Initially he planned on starting over somewhere else, since he was going to be fired anyway. That didn't work out so in a desperate move he used what he got to know about Mike as leverage to get what he wants and what he thinks he deserves.
I felt like Louis and Donna both did some amazing, Breaking Bad level acting in that scene where Louis was sitting in Harvey's office. Can't wait for the next episode!
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On August 22 2014 13:10 HaruHaru wrote:
Louis in this episode seems so forced and completely out of character from how he was in the past couple episodes. He talked about the firm being his family and now is so intent on going after it.
Well, to put it into context, he was acting pretty placidly at the start of the episode, considering he was suffering loss after loss. He just wanted to get one client, which PS could actually probably have given him: they would have had to drop Versalife, hadn't it been for the Walter Gillis deus ex machina stuff.
The trigger to get him completely enraged was him finding out about Mike, for sure. Discovering that everyone except him has known forever about a secret that is far worse than what he was fired for is a pretty good reason for Louis to go on rampage :D
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On August 22 2014 17:35 Bojas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 07:13 kaykaykay wrote:
didn't louis call pearson specter his home the previous episode?
Trying to bring the "captain down with the ship" doesn't seem like what you would do to your home.
also, he just left his job and he has no qualms moving to another law firm so long as it's a major one in new york.
i wonder who's the real hypocrite now. He felt utterly betrayed and lied to by his old family. Initially he planned on starting over somewhere else, since he was going to be fired anyway. That didn't work out so in a desperate move he used what he got to know about Mike as leverage to get what he wants and what he thinks he deserves. I felt like Louis and Donna both did some amazing, Breaking Bad level acting in that scene where Louis was sitting in Harvey's office. Can't wait for the next episode!
Except at the end of the last episode he outright admitted "there is a reason your names are on the wall and mine is not" but this episode he realizes he has leverage to get his name on the wall and goes "meh so what if I don't deserve it I want it anyway."
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he is able to make those demands because in the last episode he thought jessica and harvey hadnt made a mistake as big as his (full on breaking the law) and therefore they were better than him. now he realises that theyre just as bad as he is and therefore all 3 are at the same level, which is why he feels betrayed that harvey is given special treatment by someone who prides herself on being fair.
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Israel2209 Posts
I wonder if its the same writing team for each episode.
Lewis was all emotional "sorry i let mom and dad down, please take care of my home" in the end of the previous episode, and very quickly in this episode [unknown time but apparently very short time later] he was very combative.
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I think he changed his tune pretty quickly when he realized that Mike didn't go to Harvard and felt betrayed by everyone. I could see his low point of depression turn into rage because of that. And he has always been an opportunistic character!
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Israel2209 Posts
I am talking about the beginning of the episode, way before he suspected Mike.
Anyway, I just realized this episode was great because I can't remember any Rachel or new-black-lawyer scenes.
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