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On November 23 2014 21:24 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 11:23 Motlu wrote:On November 22 2014 09:26 KeksX wrote:So I obviously didn't read the whole thread. But I have a major complain to give about the season. I'll put it in spoilers to be safe. It's more venting than rational thought so only read if you can bear it! + Show Spoiler +
Everything in this season is so goddamn predictable and lame. It's not an original story at all in my opinion. I mean, does she really have to be weak again and overcome an obstacle inside her body/mind to face an overpowering enemy? I mean for gods sake what good is the avatar if the only thing she can do is hope for her friends to fix her shit?
And then really, is Kuvira really that evil lady again that is evil because... whatever she's evil? I don't see any reasonable explanation for her. Before, every enemy was a reasonable character and you had this feeling of "well he kinda has a point" that made it all twisted and complicated. But Kuvira seems to be evil because she's evil. Oh and of course people support her... Because...!? Well they just do.
I wanted to stop watching when Korra first faced Kuvira. That fight was not only pointless but super frustrating. It's not like I watched her 3 seasons becoming a freaking super-avatar where she went Godzilla mode on her enemies once just to her once again be a sub-par bender and overall not at all fit to solve the situation.
Yeah, I get it, she is a twisted emokid that for some reason can't overcome her past and has to learn how to face it. Sounds familiar? Yeah, thats like every season including Legend of Aang.
I would have loved for this to be about something new, about her being the goddamn avatar and doing some avatar shit. This is, once again, not about heir BEING the avatar but about BECOMING it again. We've had 3 seasons of it and I can't stand it anymore.
The Legend Of Korra: Becoming the Avatar, once again.
If its going to continue like that, I'll act like Legend Of Korra is already over. I'm only watching it because of the habit at this point.
While I disagree with most of the points made in your post, I want to address the Kuvira issue to say that she has not at all been portrayed as "evil because...whatever she's evil". On the contrary, I find her to be one of the more reasonable villains of the show, and definitely one of the better villains of the Avatar franchise. + Show Spoiler +So first, her goal: She desires to reunite the earth kingdom under one solid ruler after the events of the last season shattered it. Sure, she encounters resistance from locals as anyone in her position would, and oftentimes goes into a moral grey area when overcoming it, but she has a totally reasonable goal in my opinion. One could argue that she did so without the blessing of the powerful figures in Republic city, but when they want to install a useless and incompetent puppet king who is a remnant of an outdated system of monarchs you can question their judgement. I even found myself siding with Kuvira at first. She is a determined and strong willed figure, who wants the best for her people.
Whats great is that I think this season is less about good vs evil, but more of a clash of ideals. You have Kuvira representing a sort of communistic ideal and Korra representing the more modern western ideal.
As for your point about the avatar being weak once again etc, how entertaining is a story about a nigh invincible force overcoming all its obstacles with little to no help from side characters? Unless you go with ridiculous DBZ scale power creep to allow for challenges to the protagonist its probably going to be rather boring.
About the "twisted emokid" comment, how would you feel if you were the all-powerful being that was meant to save the world only to almost die to 3 terrifying villains who have only been defeated with terrible sacrifice (like screwing over generations of avatars by losing the connection to past avatars). Then you are informed that you are no longer needed in the world, and you have to question the purpose of your existance. Despite all her potential power, Korra is just a kid and honestly all that pressure and all the trauma she has gone through warrants her being in her current situation.
And how was the Korra vs Kuvira fight pointless? Almost every story at some point has to show the power of its villain and the stakes at play, and having the protagonist fight and lose to the antagonist is a tried and true way of doing this. This fight imo was great because it showed how capable Kuvira was and it further showed the more honourable side of her character.
I guess this is your opinion in the end, I just question how closely you have been following the series given the points you have raised.
I'm tired so I probably didn't make this point as clear as it could have been, so I hope some others on this forum can elaborate and make it stronger. + Show Spoiler +It is said in one of the recent episodes that she enslaves people and she wants to create a superweapon(similar to the atom bomb). Also the governors of the states seem to know that she is evil and everybody else besides Bolin for some reason. I think thats a pretty great way of portraying that she is evil, don't you think?
Also, I'm not talking about DBZ style power. I'm just very much annoyed that basically, what we see here is the exact same thing we saw in the past. It's so predictable. I knew exactly how this is going to work out. From the beginning of the season I knew every key moment that was going to happen. I knew she was seeing Toph because its the only character left that can teach her something besides Aang, I knew she'd face Kuvira and fail, I knew she would face rejection of some kind.
There was nothing that really struck me, where I could say "Damn, now thats surprising" except for maybe July leaving Varick, but I'm confident we will get our M. Night Shyamalan moment there too.
It would just have been more exciting to see Korra being the established Avatar and basically knowing what to do, but for example facing opposition from the Earth Empire in forms of manipulated people, having morale conflicts about fighting innocent people(the army that is blindly following Kuvira) and so on.
It's just so disappointing that the last season of Korra should be, concept-wise, the very same thing we've seen in the last seasons as well.
The only progressing character here is Asami and maybe Varick as I said before. Mako is doing his thing and is now a bodyguard, Bolin is doing his thing being the quirky stupid guy. And Korra is being weak and getting strong again.
I guess the disappointment does not really lie on the quality of the season, because as I said it's basically more of the same and the same has always been great. But I've expected more of this season, especially considering it is the last.
Maybe they're rescuing it in the next episodes and surprise me and I'll eat my words, though.
+ Show Spoiler +Kuvira is undeniably the evil character in this season, but its not as clear cut as how you describe it. Sure she does cross a lot of moral lines with her reeducation camps and her methods of conquering states, but she is far from being evil for the sake of being evil. She has the arguably noble goal of uniting the earth kingdom and saving it from the rule of a incompetent puppet king. Imagine Kuvira was the same except without all the reeducation camps and super weapon building. I don't know about you, but I would definitely follow her over Prince Wu just on the grounds of her capability and vision.
Not everyone knows she is evil either, although I can see where you're coming from as most of the main characters are aware. It is shown in some of the earlier eppisodes that she has a lot of support in republic city and presumably from many of the cities and towns she has assimilated into the earth empire, and they have got to be grateful that she has stopped the bandit raids (even if they were orchestrated by her). If everyone knew she was evil, she wouldn't have an army.
I personally enjoy the tried and true Avatar formula with its slight tweaks each season, although I can certainly see where you are coming from. I guess I haven't really expected anything too huge in terms of general story arc changes, so I haven't been disappointed. Too each his own though.
I would not mind if they do decide to try something new or big in the coming episodes, providing it works of course!
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this chapter was awful. Almost that bad like the movie.
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On November 24 2014 04:05 xuanzue wrote:
this chapter was awful. Almost that bad like the movie.
Cut them some slack. It wasn't their fault and they got screwed over. They did the best they could with the hand they were dealt.
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I felt annoyed during the watch, especially because it was not the only series with a filler this week. After reading the blog I feel just sad though. Budget restraints are the worst.
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On November 23 2014 22:36 Motlu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 21:24 KeksX wrote:On November 22 2014 11:23 Motlu wrote:On November 22 2014 09:26 KeksX wrote:So I obviously didn't read the whole thread. But I have a major complain to give about the season. I'll put it in spoilers to be safe. It's more venting than rational thought so only read if you can bear it! + Show Spoiler +
Everything in this season is so goddamn predictable and lame. It's not an original story at all in my opinion. I mean, does she really have to be weak again and overcome an obstacle inside her body/mind to face an overpowering enemy? I mean for gods sake what good is the avatar if the only thing she can do is hope for her friends to fix her shit?
And then really, is Kuvira really that evil lady again that is evil because... whatever she's evil? I don't see any reasonable explanation for her. Before, every enemy was a reasonable character and you had this feeling of "well he kinda has a point" that made it all twisted and complicated. But Kuvira seems to be evil because she's evil. Oh and of course people support her... Because...!? Well they just do.
I wanted to stop watching when Korra first faced Kuvira. That fight was not only pointless but super frustrating. It's not like I watched her 3 seasons becoming a freaking super-avatar where she went Godzilla mode on her enemies once just to her once again be a sub-par bender and overall not at all fit to solve the situation.
Yeah, I get it, she is a twisted emokid that for some reason can't overcome her past and has to learn how to face it. Sounds familiar? Yeah, thats like every season including Legend of Aang.
I would have loved for this to be about something new, about her being the goddamn avatar and doing some avatar shit. This is, once again, not about heir BEING the avatar but about BECOMING it again. We've had 3 seasons of it and I can't stand it anymore.
The Legend Of Korra: Becoming the Avatar, once again.
If its going to continue like that, I'll act like Legend Of Korra is already over. I'm only watching it because of the habit at this point.
While I disagree with most of the points made in your post, I want to address the Kuvira issue to say that she has not at all been portrayed as "evil because...whatever she's evil". On the contrary, I find her to be one of the more reasonable villains of the show, and definitely one of the better villains of the Avatar franchise. + Show Spoiler +So first, her goal: She desires to reunite the earth kingdom under one solid ruler after the events of the last season shattered it. Sure, she encounters resistance from locals as anyone in her position would, and oftentimes goes into a moral grey area when overcoming it, but she has a totally reasonable goal in my opinion. One could argue that she did so without the blessing of the powerful figures in Republic city, but when they want to install a useless and incompetent puppet king who is a remnant of an outdated system of monarchs you can question their judgement. I even found myself siding with Kuvira at first. She is a determined and strong willed figure, who wants the best for her people.
Whats great is that I think this season is less about good vs evil, but more of a clash of ideals. You have Kuvira representing a sort of communistic ideal and Korra representing the more modern western ideal.
As for your point about the avatar being weak once again etc, how entertaining is a story about a nigh invincible force overcoming all its obstacles with little to no help from side characters? Unless you go with ridiculous DBZ scale power creep to allow for challenges to the protagonist its probably going to be rather boring.
About the "twisted emokid" comment, how would you feel if you were the all-powerful being that was meant to save the world only to almost die to 3 terrifying villains who have only been defeated with terrible sacrifice (like screwing over generations of avatars by losing the connection to past avatars). Then you are informed that you are no longer needed in the world, and you have to question the purpose of your existance. Despite all her potential power, Korra is just a kid and honestly all that pressure and all the trauma she has gone through warrants her being in her current situation.
And how was the Korra vs Kuvira fight pointless? Almost every story at some point has to show the power of its villain and the stakes at play, and having the protagonist fight and lose to the antagonist is a tried and true way of doing this. This fight imo was great because it showed how capable Kuvira was and it further showed the more honourable side of her character.
I guess this is your opinion in the end, I just question how closely you have been following the series given the points you have raised.
I'm tired so I probably didn't make this point as clear as it could have been, so I hope some others on this forum can elaborate and make it stronger. + Show Spoiler +It is said in one of the recent episodes that she enslaves people and she wants to create a superweapon(similar to the atom bomb). Also the governors of the states seem to know that she is evil and everybody else besides Bolin for some reason. I think thats a pretty great way of portraying that she is evil, don't you think?
Also, I'm not talking about DBZ style power. I'm just very much annoyed that basically, what we see here is the exact same thing we saw in the past. It's so predictable. I knew exactly how this is going to work out. From the beginning of the season I knew every key moment that was going to happen. I knew she was seeing Toph because its the only character left that can teach her something besides Aang, I knew she'd face Kuvira and fail, I knew she would face rejection of some kind.
There was nothing that really struck me, where I could say "Damn, now thats surprising" except for maybe July leaving Varick, but I'm confident we will get our M. Night Shyamalan moment there too.
It would just have been more exciting to see Korra being the established Avatar and basically knowing what to do, but for example facing opposition from the Earth Empire in forms of manipulated people, having morale conflicts about fighting innocent people(the army that is blindly following Kuvira) and so on.
It's just so disappointing that the last season of Korra should be, concept-wise, the very same thing we've seen in the last seasons as well.
The only progressing character here is Asami and maybe Varick as I said before. Mako is doing his thing and is now a bodyguard, Bolin is doing his thing being the quirky stupid guy. And Korra is being weak and getting strong again.
I guess the disappointment does not really lie on the quality of the season, because as I said it's basically more of the same and the same has always been great. But I've expected more of this season, especially considering it is the last.
Maybe they're rescuing it in the next episodes and surprise me and I'll eat my words, though. + Show Spoiler +Kuvira is undeniably the evil character in this season, but its not as clear cut as how you describe it. Sure she does cross a lot of moral lines with her reeducation camps and her methods of conquering states, but she is far from being evil for the sake of being evil. She has the arguably noble goal of uniting the earth kingdom and saving it from the rule of a incompetent puppet king. Imagine Kuvira was the same except without all the reeducation camps and super weapon building. I don't know about you, but I would definitely follow her over Prince Wu just on the grounds of her capability and vision.
Not everyone knows she is evil either, although I can see where you're coming from as most of the main characters are aware. It is shown in some of the earlier eppisodes that she has a lot of support in republic city and presumably from many of the cities and towns she has assimilated into the earth empire, and they have got to be grateful that she has stopped the bandit raids (even if they were orchestrated by her). If everyone knew she was evil, she wouldn't have an army.
I personally enjoy the tried and true Avatar formula with its slight tweaks each season, although I can certainly see where you are coming from. I guess I haven't really expected anything too huge in terms of general story arc changes, so I haven't been disappointed. Too each his own though.
I would not mind if they do decide to try something new or big in the coming episodes, providing it works of course!
At their core, Korra's villains have all been about political ideology. Season 1 was about a Revolutionary, Season 2 a "religious" spiritualist with a God Complex, Season 3 a group of Anarchists, and Season 4 a military dictator.
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On November 24 2014 07:27 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 22:36 Motlu wrote:On November 23 2014 21:24 KeksX wrote:On November 22 2014 11:23 Motlu wrote:On November 22 2014 09:26 KeksX wrote:So I obviously didn't read the whole thread. But I have a major complain to give about the season. I'll put it in spoilers to be safe. It's more venting than rational thought so only read if you can bear it! + Show Spoiler +
Everything in this season is so goddamn predictable and lame. It's not an original story at all in my opinion. I mean, does she really have to be weak again and overcome an obstacle inside her body/mind to face an overpowering enemy? I mean for gods sake what good is the avatar if the only thing she can do is hope for her friends to fix her shit?
And then really, is Kuvira really that evil lady again that is evil because... whatever she's evil? I don't see any reasonable explanation for her. Before, every enemy was a reasonable character and you had this feeling of "well he kinda has a point" that made it all twisted and complicated. But Kuvira seems to be evil because she's evil. Oh and of course people support her... Because...!? Well they just do.
I wanted to stop watching when Korra first faced Kuvira. That fight was not only pointless but super frustrating. It's not like I watched her 3 seasons becoming a freaking super-avatar where she went Godzilla mode on her enemies once just to her once again be a sub-par bender and overall not at all fit to solve the situation.
Yeah, I get it, she is a twisted emokid that for some reason can't overcome her past and has to learn how to face it. Sounds familiar? Yeah, thats like every season including Legend of Aang.
I would have loved for this to be about something new, about her being the goddamn avatar and doing some avatar shit. This is, once again, not about heir BEING the avatar but about BECOMING it again. We've had 3 seasons of it and I can't stand it anymore.
The Legend Of Korra: Becoming the Avatar, once again.
If its going to continue like that, I'll act like Legend Of Korra is already over. I'm only watching it because of the habit at this point.
While I disagree with most of the points made in your post, I want to address the Kuvira issue to say that she has not at all been portrayed as "evil because...whatever she's evil". On the contrary, I find her to be one of the more reasonable villains of the show, and definitely one of the better villains of the Avatar franchise. + Show Spoiler +So first, her goal: She desires to reunite the earth kingdom under one solid ruler after the events of the last season shattered it. Sure, she encounters resistance from locals as anyone in her position would, and oftentimes goes into a moral grey area when overcoming it, but she has a totally reasonable goal in my opinion. One could argue that she did so without the blessing of the powerful figures in Republic city, but when they want to install a useless and incompetent puppet king who is a remnant of an outdated system of monarchs you can question their judgement. I even found myself siding with Kuvira at first. She is a determined and strong willed figure, who wants the best for her people.
Whats great is that I think this season is less about good vs evil, but more of a clash of ideals. You have Kuvira representing a sort of communistic ideal and Korra representing the more modern western ideal.
As for your point about the avatar being weak once again etc, how entertaining is a story about a nigh invincible force overcoming all its obstacles with little to no help from side characters? Unless you go with ridiculous DBZ scale power creep to allow for challenges to the protagonist its probably going to be rather boring.
About the "twisted emokid" comment, how would you feel if you were the all-powerful being that was meant to save the world only to almost die to 3 terrifying villains who have only been defeated with terrible sacrifice (like screwing over generations of avatars by losing the connection to past avatars). Then you are informed that you are no longer needed in the world, and you have to question the purpose of your existance. Despite all her potential power, Korra is just a kid and honestly all that pressure and all the trauma she has gone through warrants her being in her current situation.
And how was the Korra vs Kuvira fight pointless? Almost every story at some point has to show the power of its villain and the stakes at play, and having the protagonist fight and lose to the antagonist is a tried and true way of doing this. This fight imo was great because it showed how capable Kuvira was and it further showed the more honourable side of her character.
I guess this is your opinion in the end, I just question how closely you have been following the series given the points you have raised.
I'm tired so I probably didn't make this point as clear as it could have been, so I hope some others on this forum can elaborate and make it stronger. + Show Spoiler +It is said in one of the recent episodes that she enslaves people and she wants to create a superweapon(similar to the atom bomb). Also the governors of the states seem to know that she is evil and everybody else besides Bolin for some reason. I think thats a pretty great way of portraying that she is evil, don't you think?
Also, I'm not talking about DBZ style power. I'm just very much annoyed that basically, what we see here is the exact same thing we saw in the past. It's so predictable. I knew exactly how this is going to work out. From the beginning of the season I knew every key moment that was going to happen. I knew she was seeing Toph because its the only character left that can teach her something besides Aang, I knew she'd face Kuvira and fail, I knew she would face rejection of some kind.
There was nothing that really struck me, where I could say "Damn, now thats surprising" except for maybe July leaving Varick, but I'm confident we will get our M. Night Shyamalan moment there too.
It would just have been more exciting to see Korra being the established Avatar and basically knowing what to do, but for example facing opposition from the Earth Empire in forms of manipulated people, having morale conflicts about fighting innocent people(the army that is blindly following Kuvira) and so on.
It's just so disappointing that the last season of Korra should be, concept-wise, the very same thing we've seen in the last seasons as well.
The only progressing character here is Asami and maybe Varick as I said before. Mako is doing his thing and is now a bodyguard, Bolin is doing his thing being the quirky stupid guy. And Korra is being weak and getting strong again.
I guess the disappointment does not really lie on the quality of the season, because as I said it's basically more of the same and the same has always been great. But I've expected more of this season, especially considering it is the last.
Maybe they're rescuing it in the next episodes and surprise me and I'll eat my words, though. + Show Spoiler +Kuvira is undeniably the evil character in this season, but its not as clear cut as how you describe it. Sure she does cross a lot of moral lines with her reeducation camps and her methods of conquering states, but she is far from being evil for the sake of being evil. She has the arguably noble goal of uniting the earth kingdom and saving it from the rule of a incompetent puppet king. Imagine Kuvira was the same except without all the reeducation camps and super weapon building. I don't know about you, but I would definitely follow her over Prince Wu just on the grounds of her capability and vision.
Not everyone knows she is evil either, although I can see where you're coming from as most of the main characters are aware. It is shown in some of the earlier eppisodes that she has a lot of support in republic city and presumably from many of the cities and towns she has assimilated into the earth empire, and they have got to be grateful that she has stopped the bandit raids (even if they were orchestrated by her). If everyone knew she was evil, she wouldn't have an army.
I personally enjoy the tried and true Avatar formula with its slight tweaks each season, although I can certainly see where you are coming from. I guess I haven't really expected anything too huge in terms of general story arc changes, so I haven't been disappointed. Too each his own though.
I would not mind if they do decide to try something new or big in the coming episodes, providing it works of course! At their core, Korra's villains have all been about political ideology. Season 1 was about a Revolutionary, Season 2 a "religious" spiritualist with a God Complex, Season 3 a group of Anarchists, and Season 4 a military dictator.
+ Show Spoiler +You'd think people would draw conclusions. I mean, how can bringing an entire army to otherwise peaceful villages be any reasonable for people?
Also @Motlu:
The noble goal of uniting the Earth Kingdom faces rejection the very first time it is mentioned. But even if we go so far as to say that she's hidden all her truths which should be hard(the re-education camps aren't just built into caves as it seems but open lands), the moment she sends all of her army to villages should be a gigantic red flag for all 3 other kingdoms AND the earth kingdom citizens.
And they defenitely have the reporting technology to do that, they have cars etc. It would've been possible that by now, people know what she's doing.
The evil about Kuvira is not that herself, even though she seems to be yet-another-bender-superior-to-the-avatar, but her following. But the reason that she does even have any following is so unreasonable. In the current world of LoK, it seems that news should spread much faster and people should be more aware of things.
As I said, for some reason some people know about the enslavement and some others don't. That alone sounds soo unreasonable. If that really were the case it should spread like wildfire and people should question the intentions of Kuvira, but they don't.
That could be an interesting point of conflict and story as I said, because it happened in real life as well. But the story arc is not about the manipulation from Kuvira towards the Earth Kingdom citizens and Korra having to face that for example.
But the more I talk about this, the more I realize how this is "complaining about first world problems".
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I think in Kuvira's position she could still have annexed most of the Earth Kingdom merely being ruthless but not being overtly evil. Like all villains she fails at restraining herself and playing the long game. I guess she's like Hitler? Also because of the development of the spirit bomb which mirrors the German quest for mastery of atomic power.
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On November 24 2014 22:24 Grumbels wrote:
I think in Kuvira's position she could still have annexed most of the Earth Kingdom merely being ruthless but not being overtly evil. Like all villains she fails at restraining herself and playing the long game. I guess she's like Hitler? Also because of the development of the spirit bomb which mirrors the German quest for mastery of atomic power.
I am sure she feels she is right and bringing order to the world, like Fire Lord Sozin felt when he brought the first war and established the colonies in the Earth Kingdom back before Aang. I am sure that at some point someone is going to compare her to Ozai or Sozin. A few more weeks left, hopefully this week will have come good animation and bending. I demand big fights and show downs.
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On November 25 2014 05:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 22:24 Grumbels wrote:
I think in Kuvira's position she could still have annexed most of the Earth Kingdom merely being ruthless but not being overtly evil. Like all villains she fails at restraining herself and playing the long game. I guess she's like Hitler? Also because of the development of the spirit bomb which mirrors the German quest for mastery of atomic power. I am sure she feels she is right and bringing order to the world, like Fire Lord Sozin felt when he brought the first war and established the colonies in the Earth Kingdom back before Aang. I am sure that at some point someone is going to compare her to Ozai or Sozin. A few more weeks left, hopefully this week will have come good animation and bending. I demand big fights and show downs.
werent Ozai and Sozin just a complete mad mans or did I forget the something.
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Ozai was a power hungry man man, yes, but Sozin wasn't at his core. He really seemed to think he was going to unite the world and bring prosperity to it, just like how the fire nation itself was having so much prosperity, but in the end all he brought was a war that carried on to his offspring.
It's kind of funny though that even though now the world is divided, everyone seems to work together more and in general the world is more prosperous. Just look at republic city and all the old fire nation colonies where there are all kinds of benders working together. So in the end sozin's war technically did achieve his goal somewhat.
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On November 25 2014 06:36 BlackPaladin wrote:
So in the end sozin's war technically did achieve his goal somewhat.
I never thought of it that way. Neat!
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Toph should be able to beat up Kuvira even with the army. One thing I noticed during the recent Toph vs. Korra fight was that she hardly moved, and she used the earth to move her around. Yeah she's old but she's adjusted her bending to compensate for her lack of mobility.
She was and still is the greatest earthbender. It would be cheap to show her get beaten by her daughter (inferior bending, toph said so)'s subordinate (who hasn't demonstrated her power is superior to Lynn)
The only way it's acceptable for her to beat Toph is with the new weapon that is created but even then, I don't want to see my fav character of both shows go down (yes Toph is my fav char in TLA)
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On November 25 2014 13:56 parkufarku wrote:
Toph should be able to beat up Kuvira even with the army. One thing I noticed during the recent Toph vs. Korra fight was that she hardly moved, and she used the earth to move her around. Yeah she's old but she's adjusted her bending to compensate for her lack of mobility.
She was and still is the greatest earthbender. It would be cheap to show her get beaten by her daughter (inferior bending, toph said so)'s subordinate (who hasn't demonstrated her power is superior to Lynn)
The only way it's acceptable for her to beat Toph is with the new weapon that is created but even then, I don't want to see my fav character of both shows go down (yes Toph is my fav char in TLA)
The creator said Kuvira would give Toph a good fight and that Kuvira was better than Lin.
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On November 24 2014 21:52 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 07:27 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 23 2014 22:36 Motlu wrote:On November 23 2014 21:24 KeksX wrote:On November 22 2014 11:23 Motlu wrote:On November 22 2014 09:26 KeksX wrote:So I obviously didn't read the whole thread. But I have a major complain to give about the season. I'll put it in spoilers to be safe. It's more venting than rational thought so only read if you can bear it! + Show Spoiler +
Everything in this season is so goddamn predictable and lame. It's not an original story at all in my opinion. I mean, does she really have to be weak again and overcome an obstacle inside her body/mind to face an overpowering enemy? I mean for gods sake what good is the avatar if the only thing she can do is hope for her friends to fix her shit?
And then really, is Kuvira really that evil lady again that is evil because... whatever she's evil? I don't see any reasonable explanation for her. Before, every enemy was a reasonable character and you had this feeling of "well he kinda has a point" that made it all twisted and complicated. But Kuvira seems to be evil because she's evil. Oh and of course people support her... Because...!? Well they just do.
I wanted to stop watching when Korra first faced Kuvira. That fight was not only pointless but super frustrating. It's not like I watched her 3 seasons becoming a freaking super-avatar where she went Godzilla mode on her enemies once just to her once again be a sub-par bender and overall not at all fit to solve the situation.
Yeah, I get it, she is a twisted emokid that for some reason can't overcome her past and has to learn how to face it. Sounds familiar? Yeah, thats like every season including Legend of Aang.
I would have loved for this to be about something new, about her being the goddamn avatar and doing some avatar shit. This is, once again, not about heir BEING the avatar but about BECOMING it again. We've had 3 seasons of it and I can't stand it anymore.
The Legend Of Korra: Becoming the Avatar, once again.
If its going to continue like that, I'll act like Legend Of Korra is already over. I'm only watching it because of the habit at this point.
While I disagree with most of the points made in your post, I want to address the Kuvira issue to say that she has not at all been portrayed as "evil because...whatever she's evil". On the contrary, I find her to be one of the more reasonable villains of the show, and definitely one of the better villains of the Avatar franchise. + Show Spoiler +So first, her goal: She desires to reunite the earth kingdom under one solid ruler after the events of the last season shattered it. Sure, she encounters resistance from locals as anyone in her position would, and oftentimes goes into a moral grey area when overcoming it, but she has a totally reasonable goal in my opinion. One could argue that she did so without the blessing of the powerful figures in Republic city, but when they want to install a useless and incompetent puppet king who is a remnant of an outdated system of monarchs you can question their judgement. I even found myself siding with Kuvira at first. She is a determined and strong willed figure, who wants the best for her people.
Whats great is that I think this season is less about good vs evil, but more of a clash of ideals. You have Kuvira representing a sort of communistic ideal and Korra representing the more modern western ideal.
As for your point about the avatar being weak once again etc, how entertaining is a story about a nigh invincible force overcoming all its obstacles with little to no help from side characters? Unless you go with ridiculous DBZ scale power creep to allow for challenges to the protagonist its probably going to be rather boring.
About the "twisted emokid" comment, how would you feel if you were the all-powerful being that was meant to save the world only to almost die to 3 terrifying villains who have only been defeated with terrible sacrifice (like screwing over generations of avatars by losing the connection to past avatars). Then you are informed that you are no longer needed in the world, and you have to question the purpose of your existance. Despite all her potential power, Korra is just a kid and honestly all that pressure and all the trauma she has gone through warrants her being in her current situation.
And how was the Korra vs Kuvira fight pointless? Almost every story at some point has to show the power of its villain and the stakes at play, and having the protagonist fight and lose to the antagonist is a tried and true way of doing this. This fight imo was great because it showed how capable Kuvira was and it further showed the more honourable side of her character.
I guess this is your opinion in the end, I just question how closely you have been following the series given the points you have raised.
I'm tired so I probably didn't make this point as clear as it could have been, so I hope some others on this forum can elaborate and make it stronger. + Show Spoiler +It is said in one of the recent episodes that she enslaves people and she wants to create a superweapon(similar to the atom bomb). Also the governors of the states seem to know that she is evil and everybody else besides Bolin for some reason. I think thats a pretty great way of portraying that she is evil, don't you think?
Also, I'm not talking about DBZ style power. I'm just very much annoyed that basically, what we see here is the exact same thing we saw in the past. It's so predictable. I knew exactly how this is going to work out. From the beginning of the season I knew every key moment that was going to happen. I knew she was seeing Toph because its the only character left that can teach her something besides Aang, I knew she'd face Kuvira and fail, I knew she would face rejection of some kind.
There was nothing that really struck me, where I could say "Damn, now thats surprising" except for maybe July leaving Varick, but I'm confident we will get our M. Night Shyamalan moment there too.
It would just have been more exciting to see Korra being the established Avatar and basically knowing what to do, but for example facing opposition from the Earth Empire in forms of manipulated people, having morale conflicts about fighting innocent people(the army that is blindly following Kuvira) and so on.
It's just so disappointing that the last season of Korra should be, concept-wise, the very same thing we've seen in the last seasons as well.
The only progressing character here is Asami and maybe Varick as I said before. Mako is doing his thing and is now a bodyguard, Bolin is doing his thing being the quirky stupid guy. And Korra is being weak and getting strong again.
I guess the disappointment does not really lie on the quality of the season, because as I said it's basically more of the same and the same has always been great. But I've expected more of this season, especially considering it is the last.
Maybe they're rescuing it in the next episodes and surprise me and I'll eat my words, though. + Show Spoiler +Kuvira is undeniably the evil character in this season, but its not as clear cut as how you describe it. Sure she does cross a lot of moral lines with her reeducation camps and her methods of conquering states, but she is far from being evil for the sake of being evil. She has the arguably noble goal of uniting the earth kingdom and saving it from the rule of a incompetent puppet king. Imagine Kuvira was the same except without all the reeducation camps and super weapon building. I don't know about you, but I would definitely follow her over Prince Wu just on the grounds of her capability and vision.
Not everyone knows she is evil either, although I can see where you're coming from as most of the main characters are aware. It is shown in some of the earlier eppisodes that she has a lot of support in republic city and presumably from many of the cities and towns she has assimilated into the earth empire, and they have got to be grateful that she has stopped the bandit raids (even if they were orchestrated by her). If everyone knew she was evil, she wouldn't have an army.
I personally enjoy the tried and true Avatar formula with its slight tweaks each season, although I can certainly see where you are coming from. I guess I haven't really expected anything too huge in terms of general story arc changes, so I haven't been disappointed. Too each his own though.
I would not mind if they do decide to try something new or big in the coming episodes, providing it works of course! At their core, Korra's villains have all been about political ideology. Season 1 was about a Revolutionary, Season 2 a "religious" spiritualist with a God Complex, Season 3 a group of Anarchists, and Season 4 a military dictator. + Show Spoiler +You'd think people would draw conclusions. I mean, how can bringing an entire army to otherwise peaceful villages be any reasonable for people?
Also @Motlu:
The noble goal of uniting the Earth Kingdom faces rejection the very first time it is mentioned. But even if we go so far as to say that she's hidden all her truths which should be hard(the re-education camps aren't just built into caves as it seems but open lands), the moment she sends all of her army to villages should be a gigantic red flag for all 3 other kingdoms AND the earth kingdom citizens.
And they defenitely have the reporting technology to do that, they have cars etc. It would've been possible that by now, people know what she's doing.
The evil about Kuvira is not that herself, even though she seems to be yet-another-bender-superior-to-the-avatar, but her following. But the reason that she does even have any following is so unreasonable. In the current world of LoK, it seems that news should spread much faster and people should be more aware of things.
As I said, for some reason some people know about the enslavement and some others don't. That alone sounds soo unreasonable. If that really were the case it should spread like wildfire and people should question the intentions of Kuvira, but they don't.
That could be an interesting point of conflict and story as I said, because it happened in real life as well. But the story arc is not about the manipulation from Kuvira towards the Earth Kingdom citizens and Korra having to face that for example.
But the more I talk about this, the more I realize how this is "complaining about first world problems".
Hitler, Stallon, and even the US got away with sending people to camps. I don't see how that's unreasonable at all. I also don't see how you think it would be hard to get behind a figure such as Kuvira. When you look at it from the stand point of Earth Kingdom peasants, they are having their land and everything ransacked. It's shown in the first episode where the Air nomads were unable to really help the villagers from bandits and Kuvira offers them salvation, admittedly at a cost. So while many might view her as an evil, she is definitely the lessor of the two evils to many of their citizens, and in the eyes of other nations and republic city, they probably largely see that she is stabilizing an otherwise unstable region.
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On November 25 2014 15:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 21:52 KeksX wrote:On November 24 2014 07:27 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 23 2014 22:36 Motlu wrote:On November 23 2014 21:24 KeksX wrote:On November 22 2014 11:23 Motlu wrote:On November 22 2014 09:26 KeksX wrote:So I obviously didn't read the whole thread. But I have a major complain to give about the season. I'll put it in spoilers to be safe. It's more venting than rational thought so only read if you can bear it! + Show Spoiler +
Everything in this season is so goddamn predictable and lame. It's not an original story at all in my opinion. I mean, does she really have to be weak again and overcome an obstacle inside her body/mind to face an overpowering enemy? I mean for gods sake what good is the avatar if the only thing she can do is hope for her friends to fix her shit?
And then really, is Kuvira really that evil lady again that is evil because... whatever she's evil? I don't see any reasonable explanation for her. Before, every enemy was a reasonable character and you had this feeling of "well he kinda has a point" that made it all twisted and complicated. But Kuvira seems to be evil because she's evil. Oh and of course people support her... Because...!? Well they just do.
I wanted to stop watching when Korra first faced Kuvira. That fight was not only pointless but super frustrating. It's not like I watched her 3 seasons becoming a freaking super-avatar where she went Godzilla mode on her enemies once just to her once again be a sub-par bender and overall not at all fit to solve the situation.
Yeah, I get it, she is a twisted emokid that for some reason can't overcome her past and has to learn how to face it. Sounds familiar? Yeah, thats like every season including Legend of Aang.
I would have loved for this to be about something new, about her being the goddamn avatar and doing some avatar shit. This is, once again, not about heir BEING the avatar but about BECOMING it again. We've had 3 seasons of it and I can't stand it anymore.
The Legend Of Korra: Becoming the Avatar, once again.
If its going to continue like that, I'll act like Legend Of Korra is already over. I'm only watching it because of the habit at this point.
While I disagree with most of the points made in your post, I want to address the Kuvira issue to say that she has not at all been portrayed as "evil because...whatever she's evil". On the contrary, I find her to be one of the more reasonable villains of the show, and definitely one of the better villains of the Avatar franchise. + Show Spoiler +So first, her goal: She desires to reunite the earth kingdom under one solid ruler after the events of the last season shattered it. Sure, she encounters resistance from locals as anyone in her position would, and oftentimes goes into a moral grey area when overcoming it, but she has a totally reasonable goal in my opinion. One could argue that she did so without the blessing of the powerful figures in Republic city, but when they want to install a useless and incompetent puppet king who is a remnant of an outdated system of monarchs you can question their judgement. I even found myself siding with Kuvira at first. She is a determined and strong willed figure, who wants the best for her people.
Whats great is that I think this season is less about good vs evil, but more of a clash of ideals. You have Kuvira representing a sort of communistic ideal and Korra representing the more modern western ideal.
As for your point about the avatar being weak once again etc, how entertaining is a story about a nigh invincible force overcoming all its obstacles with little to no help from side characters? Unless you go with ridiculous DBZ scale power creep to allow for challenges to the protagonist its probably going to be rather boring.
About the "twisted emokid" comment, how would you feel if you were the all-powerful being that was meant to save the world only to almost die to 3 terrifying villains who have only been defeated with terrible sacrifice (like screwing over generations of avatars by losing the connection to past avatars). Then you are informed that you are no longer needed in the world, and you have to question the purpose of your existance. Despite all her potential power, Korra is just a kid and honestly all that pressure and all the trauma she has gone through warrants her being in her current situation.
And how was the Korra vs Kuvira fight pointless? Almost every story at some point has to show the power of its villain and the stakes at play, and having the protagonist fight and lose to the antagonist is a tried and true way of doing this. This fight imo was great because it showed how capable Kuvira was and it further showed the more honourable side of her character.
I guess this is your opinion in the end, I just question how closely you have been following the series given the points you have raised.
I'm tired so I probably didn't make this point as clear as it could have been, so I hope some others on this forum can elaborate and make it stronger. + Show Spoiler +It is said in one of the recent episodes that she enslaves people and she wants to create a superweapon(similar to the atom bomb). Also the governors of the states seem to know that she is evil and everybody else besides Bolin for some reason. I think thats a pretty great way of portraying that she is evil, don't you think?
Also, I'm not talking about DBZ style power. I'm just very much annoyed that basically, what we see here is the exact same thing we saw in the past. It's so predictable. I knew exactly how this is going to work out. From the beginning of the season I knew every key moment that was going to happen. I knew she was seeing Toph because its the only character left that can teach her something besides Aang, I knew she'd face Kuvira and fail, I knew she would face rejection of some kind.
There was nothing that really struck me, where I could say "Damn, now thats surprising" except for maybe July leaving Varick, but I'm confident we will get our M. Night Shyamalan moment there too.
It would just have been more exciting to see Korra being the established Avatar and basically knowing what to do, but for example facing opposition from the Earth Empire in forms of manipulated people, having morale conflicts about fighting innocent people(the army that is blindly following Kuvira) and so on.
It's just so disappointing that the last season of Korra should be, concept-wise, the very same thing we've seen in the last seasons as well.
The only progressing character here is Asami and maybe Varick as I said before. Mako is doing his thing and is now a bodyguard, Bolin is doing his thing being the quirky stupid guy. And Korra is being weak and getting strong again.
I guess the disappointment does not really lie on the quality of the season, because as I said it's basically more of the same and the same has always been great. But I've expected more of this season, especially considering it is the last.
Maybe they're rescuing it in the next episodes and surprise me and I'll eat my words, though. + Show Spoiler +Kuvira is undeniably the evil character in this season, but its not as clear cut as how you describe it. Sure she does cross a lot of moral lines with her reeducation camps and her methods of conquering states, but she is far from being evil for the sake of being evil. She has the arguably noble goal of uniting the earth kingdom and saving it from the rule of a incompetent puppet king. Imagine Kuvira was the same except without all the reeducation camps and super weapon building. I don't know about you, but I would definitely follow her over Prince Wu just on the grounds of her capability and vision.
Not everyone knows she is evil either, although I can see where you're coming from as most of the main characters are aware. It is shown in some of the earlier eppisodes that she has a lot of support in republic city and presumably from many of the cities and towns she has assimilated into the earth empire, and they have got to be grateful that she has stopped the bandit raids (even if they were orchestrated by her). If everyone knew she was evil, she wouldn't have an army.
I personally enjoy the tried and true Avatar formula with its slight tweaks each season, although I can certainly see where you are coming from. I guess I haven't really expected anything too huge in terms of general story arc changes, so I haven't been disappointed. Too each his own though.
I would not mind if they do decide to try something new or big in the coming episodes, providing it works of course! At their core, Korra's villains have all been about political ideology. Season 1 was about a Revolutionary, Season 2 a "religious" spiritualist with a God Complex, Season 3 a group of Anarchists, and Season 4 a military dictator. + Show Spoiler +You'd think people would draw conclusions. I mean, how can bringing an entire army to otherwise peaceful villages be any reasonable for people?
Also @Motlu:
The noble goal of uniting the Earth Kingdom faces rejection the very first time it is mentioned. But even if we go so far as to say that she's hidden all her truths which should be hard(the re-education camps aren't just built into caves as it seems but open lands), the moment she sends all of her army to villages should be a gigantic red flag for all 3 other kingdoms AND the earth kingdom citizens.
And they defenitely have the reporting technology to do that, they have cars etc. It would've been possible that by now, people know what she's doing.
The evil about Kuvira is not that herself, even though she seems to be yet-another-bender-superior-to-the-avatar, but her following. But the reason that she does even have any following is so unreasonable. In the current world of LoK, it seems that news should spread much faster and people should be more aware of things.
As I said, for some reason some people know about the enslavement and some others don't. That alone sounds soo unreasonable. If that really were the case it should spread like wildfire and people should question the intentions of Kuvira, but they don't.
That could be an interesting point of conflict and story as I said, because it happened in real life as well. But the story arc is not about the manipulation from Kuvira towards the Earth Kingdom citizens and Korra having to face that for example.
But the more I talk about this, the more I realize how this is "complaining about first world problems".
Hitler, Stallon, and even the US got away with sending people to camps. I don't see how that's unreasonable at all. I also don't see how you think it would be hard to get behind a figure such as Kuvira. When you look at it from the stand point of Earth Kingdom peasants, they are having their land and everything ransacked. It's shown in the first episode where the Air nomads were unable to really help the villagers from bandits and Kuvira offers them salvation, admittedly at a cost. So while many might view her as an evil, she is definitely the lessor of the two evils to many of their citizens, and in the eyes of other nations and republic city, they probably largely see that she is stabilizing an otherwise unstable region.
I got the feeling that the "bandit" in that episode was hired by Kuvira.
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On November 25 2014 17:59 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On November 24 2014 21:52 KeksX wrote:On November 24 2014 07:27 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 23 2014 22:36 Motlu wrote:On November 23 2014 21:24 KeksX wrote:On November 22 2014 11:23 Motlu wrote:On November 22 2014 09:26 KeksX wrote:So I obviously didn't read the whole thread. But I have a major complain to give about the season. I'll put it in spoilers to be safe. It's more venting than rational thought so only read if you can bear it! + Show Spoiler +
Everything in this season is so goddamn predictable and lame. It's not an original story at all in my opinion. I mean, does she really have to be weak again and overcome an obstacle inside her body/mind to face an overpowering enemy? I mean for gods sake what good is the avatar if the only thing she can do is hope for her friends to fix her shit?
And then really, is Kuvira really that evil lady again that is evil because... whatever she's evil? I don't see any reasonable explanation for her. Before, every enemy was a reasonable character and you had this feeling of "well he kinda has a point" that made it all twisted and complicated. But Kuvira seems to be evil because she's evil. Oh and of course people support her... Because...!? Well they just do.
I wanted to stop watching when Korra first faced Kuvira. That fight was not only pointless but super frustrating. It's not like I watched her 3 seasons becoming a freaking super-avatar where she went Godzilla mode on her enemies once just to her once again be a sub-par bender and overall not at all fit to solve the situation.
Yeah, I get it, she is a twisted emokid that for some reason can't overcome her past and has to learn how to face it. Sounds familiar? Yeah, thats like every season including Legend of Aang.
I would have loved for this to be about something new, about her being the goddamn avatar and doing some avatar shit. This is, once again, not about heir BEING the avatar but about BECOMING it again. We've had 3 seasons of it and I can't stand it anymore.
The Legend Of Korra: Becoming the Avatar, once again.
If its going to continue like that, I'll act like Legend Of Korra is already over. I'm only watching it because of the habit at this point.
While I disagree with most of the points made in your post, I want to address the Kuvira issue to say that she has not at all been portrayed as "evil because...whatever she's evil". On the contrary, I find her to be one of the more reasonable villains of the show, and definitely one of the better villains of the Avatar franchise. + Show Spoiler +So first, her goal: She desires to reunite the earth kingdom under one solid ruler after the events of the last season shattered it. Sure, she encounters resistance from locals as anyone in her position would, and oftentimes goes into a moral grey area when overcoming it, but she has a totally reasonable goal in my opinion. One could argue that she did so without the blessing of the powerful figures in Republic city, but when they want to install a useless and incompetent puppet king who is a remnant of an outdated system of monarchs you can question their judgement. I even found myself siding with Kuvira at first. She is a determined and strong willed figure, who wants the best for her people.
Whats great is that I think this season is less about good vs evil, but more of a clash of ideals. You have Kuvira representing a sort of communistic ideal and Korra representing the more modern western ideal.
As for your point about the avatar being weak once again etc, how entertaining is a story about a nigh invincible force overcoming all its obstacles with little to no help from side characters? Unless you go with ridiculous DBZ scale power creep to allow for challenges to the protagonist its probably going to be rather boring.
About the "twisted emokid" comment, how would you feel if you were the all-powerful being that was meant to save the world only to almost die to 3 terrifying villains who have only been defeated with terrible sacrifice (like screwing over generations of avatars by losing the connection to past avatars). Then you are informed that you are no longer needed in the world, and you have to question the purpose of your existance. Despite all her potential power, Korra is just a kid and honestly all that pressure and all the trauma she has gone through warrants her being in her current situation.
And how was the Korra vs Kuvira fight pointless? Almost every story at some point has to show the power of its villain and the stakes at play, and having the protagonist fight and lose to the antagonist is a tried and true way of doing this. This fight imo was great because it showed how capable Kuvira was and it further showed the more honourable side of her character.
I guess this is your opinion in the end, I just question how closely you have been following the series given the points you have raised.
I'm tired so I probably didn't make this point as clear as it could have been, so I hope some others on this forum can elaborate and make it stronger. + Show Spoiler +It is said in one of the recent episodes that she enslaves people and she wants to create a superweapon(similar to the atom bomb). Also the governors of the states seem to know that she is evil and everybody else besides Bolin for some reason. I think thats a pretty great way of portraying that she is evil, don't you think?
Also, I'm not talking about DBZ style power. I'm just very much annoyed that basically, what we see here is the exact same thing we saw in the past. It's so predictable. I knew exactly how this is going to work out. From the beginning of the season I knew every key moment that was going to happen. I knew she was seeing Toph because its the only character left that can teach her something besides Aang, I knew she'd face Kuvira and fail, I knew she would face rejection of some kind.
There was nothing that really struck me, where I could say "Damn, now thats surprising" except for maybe July leaving Varick, but I'm confident we will get our M. Night Shyamalan moment there too.
It would just have been more exciting to see Korra being the established Avatar and basically knowing what to do, but for example facing opposition from the Earth Empire in forms of manipulated people, having morale conflicts about fighting innocent people(the army that is blindly following Kuvira) and so on.
It's just so disappointing that the last season of Korra should be, concept-wise, the very same thing we've seen in the last seasons as well.
The only progressing character here is Asami and maybe Varick as I said before. Mako is doing his thing and is now a bodyguard, Bolin is doing his thing being the quirky stupid guy. And Korra is being weak and getting strong again.
I guess the disappointment does not really lie on the quality of the season, because as I said it's basically more of the same and the same has always been great. But I've expected more of this season, especially considering it is the last.
Maybe they're rescuing it in the next episodes and surprise me and I'll eat my words, though. + Show Spoiler +Kuvira is undeniably the evil character in this season, but its not as clear cut as how you describe it. Sure she does cross a lot of moral lines with her reeducation camps and her methods of conquering states, but she is far from being evil for the sake of being evil. She has the arguably noble goal of uniting the earth kingdom and saving it from the rule of a incompetent puppet king. Imagine Kuvira was the same except without all the reeducation camps and super weapon building. I don't know about you, but I would definitely follow her over Prince Wu just on the grounds of her capability and vision.
Not everyone knows she is evil either, although I can see where you're coming from as most of the main characters are aware. It is shown in some of the earlier eppisodes that she has a lot of support in republic city and presumably from many of the cities and towns she has assimilated into the earth empire, and they have got to be grateful that she has stopped the bandit raids (even if they were orchestrated by her). If everyone knew she was evil, she wouldn't have an army.
I personally enjoy the tried and true Avatar formula with its slight tweaks each season, although I can certainly see where you are coming from. I guess I haven't really expected anything too huge in terms of general story arc changes, so I haven't been disappointed. Too each his own though.
I would not mind if they do decide to try something new or big in the coming episodes, providing it works of course! At their core, Korra's villains have all been about political ideology. Season 1 was about a Revolutionary, Season 2 a "religious" spiritualist with a God Complex, Season 3 a group of Anarchists, and Season 4 a military dictator. + Show Spoiler +You'd think people would draw conclusions. I mean, how can bringing an entire army to otherwise peaceful villages be any reasonable for people?
Also @Motlu:
The noble goal of uniting the Earth Kingdom faces rejection the very first time it is mentioned. But even if we go so far as to say that she's hidden all her truths which should be hard(the re-education camps aren't just built into caves as it seems but open lands), the moment she sends all of her army to villages should be a gigantic red flag for all 3 other kingdoms AND the earth kingdom citizens.
And they defenitely have the reporting technology to do that, they have cars etc. It would've been possible that by now, people know what she's doing.
The evil about Kuvira is not that herself, even though she seems to be yet-another-bender-superior-to-the-avatar, but her following. But the reason that she does even have any following is so unreasonable. In the current world of LoK, it seems that news should spread much faster and people should be more aware of things.
As I said, for some reason some people know about the enslavement and some others don't. That alone sounds soo unreasonable. If that really were the case it should spread like wildfire and people should question the intentions of Kuvira, but they don't.
That could be an interesting point of conflict and story as I said, because it happened in real life as well. But the story arc is not about the manipulation from Kuvira towards the Earth Kingdom citizens and Korra having to face that for example.
But the more I talk about this, the more I realize how this is "complaining about first world problems".
Hitler, Stallon, and even the US got away with sending people to camps. I don't see how that's unreasonable at all. I also don't see how you think it would be hard to get behind a figure such as Kuvira. When you look at it from the stand point of Earth Kingdom peasants, they are having their land and everything ransacked. It's shown in the first episode where the Air nomads were unable to really help the villagers from bandits and Kuvira offers them salvation, admittedly at a cost. So while many might view her as an evil, she is definitely the lessor of the two evils to many of their citizens, and in the eyes of other nations and republic city, they probably largely see that she is stabilizing an otherwise unstable region. I got the feeling that the "bandit" in that episode was hired by Kuvira.
Well, it's not like enforced propaganda is a new concept.
And there definitely were bandits and roaming raiders. But she just needed ones that were a little more conveniently timed.
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Fucking loved this episode. So much meta commentary.
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*facepalm* why..... WHY!!!!
-,- well beter later then never right?...
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On November 26 2014 04:02 sabas123 wrote:*facepalm* why..... WHY!!!! -,- well beter later then never right?...
Like a relative visiting a dying man on his deathbed to try to get in the will.
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