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On November 22 2014 02:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 01:25 blade55555 wrote:On November 21 2014 19:24 Darkened wrote:New episode's out. + Show Spoiler +And is overall rather disapointing. : / Mako and Korra parts were fine but Varrick filling in the rest of the episode because they had nothing better didn't fly with me very well. And there was also no Toph whatsoever. I mean come on, literally the thing everyone is waiting for and they give us this. Doesn't take a genius to predict what sort of reception it'll probably receive. Hah that was almost the only thing I enjoyed about the episode was Varrick's part. Sucks budget cuts forced a flash back episode though. I know if budget cuts did that, I think that they are just telling the stories they want within the season. The problem with these very narrative driven seasons is that it can be hard to fit other interesting stories within the season. Flashbacks are an old trick to solve that problem. Unless the youtube video specifically says budget cuts did it. I haven't been able to watch it.
The link to one of the creator's tumblr says so. He explains the whole story behind the episode and why it was made. Here.
It helps you realise Nick is one horrible network. 
For the lazy:
+ Show Spoiler +I’m here to explain why we ended up having to do one. Sometime around a year and a half ago we were similarly duped on a large scale. We got the news from the higher-ups that our Book 4 budget was getting slashed, almost to the tune of an entire episode’s budget. We had two options: 1) let go a significant number of crew members several weeks early, or 2) make a clips episode. We never considered the first option. We weren’t going to do that to our crew, and even if we were callous enough to do so, we never would have been able to finish the season without them.
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That sucks hard, to bad the show got dumped so hard, but I am glad they decided to stick with their staff and just do one filler episode. I'll wait till next week before I start watching again. I hate cliff hangers and it looks like this one has not resolved. Hopefully the end of the season is everything we want it to be.
How many more episodes left this season?
(Edit: Looked it up 13 total). Hopefully they just dump the rest so I can buy them and be happy.
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You may want to watch the episode anyways, at least the second half. Only Mako's story totally sucked, and Varrick's was really good.
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Oh god the first eight minutes almost made me stop watching, these shipping moments are just horrendously cringeworthy. Thankfully, Varrick saved the day with his funny moments.
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So I obviously didn't read the whole thread. But I have a major complain to give about the season. I'll put it in spoilers to be safe.
It's more venting than rational thought so only read if you can bear it!
+ Show Spoiler +
Everything in this season is so goddamn predictable and lame. It's not an original story at all in my opinion. I mean, does she really have to be weak again and overcome an obstacle inside her body/mind to face an overpowering enemy? I mean for gods sake what good is the avatar if the only thing she can do is hope for her friends to fix her shit?
And then really, is Kuvira really that evil lady again that is evil because... whatever she's evil? I don't see any reasonable explanation for her. Before, every enemy was a reasonable character and you had this feeling of "well he kinda has a point" that made it all twisted and complicated. But Kuvira seems to be evil because she's evil. Oh and of course people support her... Because...!? Well they just do.
I wanted to stop watching when Korra first faced Kuvira. That fight was not only pointless but super frustrating. It's not like I watched her 3 seasons becoming a freaking super-avatar where she went Godzilla mode on her enemies once just to her once again be a sub-par bender and overall not at all fit to solve the situation.
Yeah, I get it, she is a twisted emokid that for some reason can't overcome her past and has to learn how to face it. Sounds familiar? Yeah, thats like every season including Legend of Aang.
I would have loved for this to be about something new, about her being the goddamn avatar and doing some avatar shit. This is, once again, not about heir BEING the avatar but about BECOMING it again. We've had 3 seasons of it and I can't stand it anymore.
The Legend Of Korra: Becoming the Avatar, once again.
If its going to continue like that, I'll act like Legend Of Korra is already over. I'm only watching it because of the habit at this point.
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On November 22 2014 09:26 KeksX wrote:So I obviously didn't read the whole thread. But I have a major complain to give about the season. I'll put it in spoilers to be safe. It's more venting than rational thought so only read if you can bear it! + Show Spoiler +
Everything in this season is so goddamn predictable and lame. It's not an original story at all in my opinion. I mean, does she really have to be weak again and overcome an obstacle inside her body/mind to face an overpowering enemy? I mean for gods sake what good is the avatar if the only thing she can do is hope for her friends to fix her shit?
And then really, is Kuvira really that evil lady again that is evil because... whatever she's evil? I don't see any reasonable explanation for her. Before, every enemy was a reasonable character and you had this feeling of "well he kinda has a point" that made it all twisted and complicated. But Kuvira seems to be evil because she's evil. Oh and of course people support her... Because...!? Well they just do.
I wanted to stop watching when Korra first faced Kuvira. That fight was not only pointless but super frustrating. It's not like I watched her 3 seasons becoming a freaking super-avatar where she went Godzilla mode on her enemies once just to her once again be a sub-par bender and overall not at all fit to solve the situation.
Yeah, I get it, she is a twisted emokid that for some reason can't overcome her past and has to learn how to face it. Sounds familiar? Yeah, thats like every season including Legend of Aang.
I would have loved for this to be about something new, about her being the goddamn avatar and doing some avatar shit. This is, once again, not about heir BEING the avatar but about BECOMING it again. We've had 3 seasons of it and I can't stand it anymore.
The Legend Of Korra: Becoming the Avatar, once again.
If its going to continue like that, I'll act like Legend Of Korra is already over. I'm only watching it because of the habit at this point.
Well that's like, your opinion, man.
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On November 22 2014 10:54 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:26 KeksX wrote:So I obviously didn't read the whole thread. But I have a major complain to give about the season. I'll put it in spoilers to be safe. It's more venting than rational thought so only read if you can bear it! + Show Spoiler +
Everything in this season is so goddamn predictable and lame. It's not an original story at all in my opinion. I mean, does she really have to be weak again and overcome an obstacle inside her body/mind to face an overpowering enemy? I mean for gods sake what good is the avatar if the only thing she can do is hope for her friends to fix her shit?
And then really, is Kuvira really that evil lady again that is evil because... whatever she's evil? I don't see any reasonable explanation for her. Before, every enemy was a reasonable character and you had this feeling of "well he kinda has a point" that made it all twisted and complicated. But Kuvira seems to be evil because she's evil. Oh and of course people support her... Because...!? Well they just do.
I wanted to stop watching when Korra first faced Kuvira. That fight was not only pointless but super frustrating. It's not like I watched her 3 seasons becoming a freaking super-avatar where she went Godzilla mode on her enemies once just to her once again be a sub-par bender and overall not at all fit to solve the situation.
Yeah, I get it, she is a twisted emokid that for some reason can't overcome her past and has to learn how to face it. Sounds familiar? Yeah, thats like every season including Legend of Aang.
I would have loved for this to be about something new, about her being the goddamn avatar and doing some avatar shit. This is, once again, not about heir BEING the avatar but about BECOMING it again. We've had 3 seasons of it and I can't stand it anymore.
The Legend Of Korra: Becoming the Avatar, once again.
If its going to continue like that, I'll act like Legend Of Korra is already over. I'm only watching it because of the habit at this point.
Well that's like, your opinion, man.
I know, I know. I'm a huge fan of the other seasons which makes it so much worse. I want to enjoy this season but have a hard time doing so :[.
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Really? A recap episode? In the final season?
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On November 22 2014 09:26 KeksX wrote:So I obviously didn't read the whole thread. But I have a major complain to give about the season. I'll put it in spoilers to be safe. It's more venting than rational thought so only read if you can bear it! + Show Spoiler +
Everything in this season is so goddamn predictable and lame. It's not an original story at all in my opinion. I mean, does she really have to be weak again and overcome an obstacle inside her body/mind to face an overpowering enemy? I mean for gods sake what good is the avatar if the only thing she can do is hope for her friends to fix her shit?
And then really, is Kuvira really that evil lady again that is evil because... whatever she's evil? I don't see any reasonable explanation for her. Before, every enemy was a reasonable character and you had this feeling of "well he kinda has a point" that made it all twisted and complicated. But Kuvira seems to be evil because she's evil. Oh and of course people support her... Because...!? Well they just do.
I wanted to stop watching when Korra first faced Kuvira. That fight was not only pointless but super frustrating. It's not like I watched her 3 seasons becoming a freaking super-avatar where she went Godzilla mode on her enemies once just to her once again be a sub-par bender and overall not at all fit to solve the situation.
Yeah, I get it, she is a twisted emokid that for some reason can't overcome her past and has to learn how to face it. Sounds familiar? Yeah, thats like every season including Legend of Aang.
I would have loved for this to be about something new, about her being the goddamn avatar and doing some avatar shit. This is, once again, not about heir BEING the avatar but about BECOMING it again. We've had 3 seasons of it and I can't stand it anymore.
The Legend Of Korra: Becoming the Avatar, once again.
If its going to continue like that, I'll act like Legend Of Korra is already over. I'm only watching it because of the habit at this point.
While I disagree with most of the points made in your post, I want to address the Kuvira issue to say that she has not at all been portrayed as "evil because...whatever she's evil". On the contrary, I find her to be one of the more reasonable villains of the show, and definitely one of the better villains of the Avatar franchise.
+ Show Spoiler +So first, her goal: She desires to reunite the earth kingdom under one solid ruler after the events of the last season shattered it. Sure, she encounters resistance from locals as anyone in her position would, and oftentimes goes into a moral grey area when overcoming it, but she has a totally reasonable goal in my opinion. One could argue that she did so without the blessing of the powerful figures in Republic city, but when they want to install a useless and incompetent puppet king who is a remnant of an outdated system of monarchs you can question their judgement. I even found myself siding with Kuvira at first. She is a determined and strong willed figure, who wants the best for her people.
Whats great is that I think this season is less about good vs evil, but more of a clash of ideals. You have Kuvira representing a sort of communistic ideal and Korra representing the more modern western ideal.
As for your point about the avatar being weak once again etc, how entertaining is a story about a nigh invincible force overcoming all its obstacles with little to no help from side characters? Unless you go with ridiculous DBZ scale power creep to allow for challenges to the protagonist its probably going to be rather boring.
About the "twisted emokid" comment, how would you feel if you were the all-powerful being that was meant to save the world only to almost die to 3 terrifying villains who have only been defeated with terrible sacrifice (like screwing over generations of avatars by losing the connection to past avatars). Then you are informed that you are no longer needed in the world, and you have to question the purpose of your existance. Despite all her potential power, Korra is just a kid and honestly all that pressure and all the trauma she has gone through warrants her being in her current situation.
And how was the Korra vs Kuvira fight pointless? Almost every story at some point has to show the power of its villain and the stakes at play, and having the protagonist fight and lose to the antagonist is a tried and true way of doing this. This fight imo was great because it showed how capable Kuvira was and it further showed the more honourable side of her character.
I guess this is your opinion in the end, I just question how closely you have been following the series given the points you have raised.
I'm tired so I probably didn't make this point as clear as it could have been, so I hope some others on this forum can elaborate and make it stronger.
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Ugh, well that's shitty =/
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On November 22 2014 13:23 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Ugh, well that's shitty =/
yup
I think they made quite a good ep considering the sudden budget cut.
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Given the circumstances at least they were able to put something together that was mildly entertaining. Good for them
Of course I am excited to get back to the real story :D
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thanks, so korra now has to fight the spirit vines instead of kuvira? or did the vines got angry becuase of that swamp getting cutted down.
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Right now I'm just hoping those vines don't explode.
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anybody knows when the ost is going to be released for book 2-4?
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I get the feeling we're going to see Zaheer.
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On November 22 2014 11:23 Motlu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:26 KeksX wrote:So I obviously didn't read the whole thread. But I have a major complain to give about the season. I'll put it in spoilers to be safe. It's more venting than rational thought so only read if you can bear it! + Show Spoiler +
Everything in this season is so goddamn predictable and lame. It's not an original story at all in my opinion. I mean, does she really have to be weak again and overcome an obstacle inside her body/mind to face an overpowering enemy? I mean for gods sake what good is the avatar if the only thing she can do is hope for her friends to fix her shit?
And then really, is Kuvira really that evil lady again that is evil because... whatever she's evil? I don't see any reasonable explanation for her. Before, every enemy was a reasonable character and you had this feeling of "well he kinda has a point" that made it all twisted and complicated. But Kuvira seems to be evil because she's evil. Oh and of course people support her... Because...!? Well they just do.
I wanted to stop watching when Korra first faced Kuvira. That fight was not only pointless but super frustrating. It's not like I watched her 3 seasons becoming a freaking super-avatar where she went Godzilla mode on her enemies once just to her once again be a sub-par bender and overall not at all fit to solve the situation.
Yeah, I get it, she is a twisted emokid that for some reason can't overcome her past and has to learn how to face it. Sounds familiar? Yeah, thats like every season including Legend of Aang.
I would have loved for this to be about something new, about her being the goddamn avatar and doing some avatar shit. This is, once again, not about heir BEING the avatar but about BECOMING it again. We've had 3 seasons of it and I can't stand it anymore.
The Legend Of Korra: Becoming the Avatar, once again.
If its going to continue like that, I'll act like Legend Of Korra is already over. I'm only watching it because of the habit at this point.
While I disagree with most of the points made in your post, I want to address the Kuvira issue to say that she has not at all been portrayed as "evil because...whatever she's evil". On the contrary, I find her to be one of the more reasonable villains of the show, and definitely one of the better villains of the Avatar franchise. + Show Spoiler +So first, her goal: She desires to reunite the earth kingdom under one solid ruler after the events of the last season shattered it. Sure, she encounters resistance from locals as anyone in her position would, and oftentimes goes into a moral grey area when overcoming it, but she has a totally reasonable goal in my opinion. One could argue that she did so without the blessing of the powerful figures in Republic city, but when they want to install a useless and incompetent puppet king who is a remnant of an outdated system of monarchs you can question their judgement. I even found myself siding with Kuvira at first. She is a determined and strong willed figure, who wants the best for her people.
Whats great is that I think this season is less about good vs evil, but more of a clash of ideals. You have Kuvira representing a sort of communistic ideal and Korra representing the more modern western ideal.
As for your point about the avatar being weak once again etc, how entertaining is a story about a nigh invincible force overcoming all its obstacles with little to no help from side characters? Unless you go with ridiculous DBZ scale power creep to allow for challenges to the protagonist its probably going to be rather boring.
About the "twisted emokid" comment, how would you feel if you were the all-powerful being that was meant to save the world only to almost die to 3 terrifying villains who have only been defeated with terrible sacrifice (like screwing over generations of avatars by losing the connection to past avatars). Then you are informed that you are no longer needed in the world, and you have to question the purpose of your existance. Despite all her potential power, Korra is just a kid and honestly all that pressure and all the trauma she has gone through warrants her being in her current situation.
And how was the Korra vs Kuvira fight pointless? Almost every story at some point has to show the power of its villain and the stakes at play, and having the protagonist fight and lose to the antagonist is a tried and true way of doing this. This fight imo was great because it showed how capable Kuvira was and it further showed the more honourable side of her character.
I guess this is your opinion in the end, I just question how closely you have been following the series given the points you have raised.
I'm tired so I probably didn't make this point as clear as it could have been, so I hope some others on this forum can elaborate and make it stronger.
+ Show Spoiler +It is said in one of the recent episodes that she enslaves people and she wants to create a superweapon(similar to the atom bomb). Also the governors of the states seem to know that she is evil and everybody else besides Bolin for some reason. I think thats a pretty great way of portraying that she is evil, don't you think?
Also, I'm not talking about DBZ style power. I'm just very much annoyed that basically, what we see here is the exact same thing we saw in the past. It's so predictable. I knew exactly how this is going to work out. From the beginning of the season I knew every key moment that was going to happen. I knew she was seeing Toph because its the only character left that can teach her something besides Aang, I knew she'd face Kuvira and fail, I knew she would face rejection of some kind.
There was nothing that really struck me, where I could say "Damn, now thats surprising" except for maybe July leaving Varick, but I'm confident we will get our M. Night Shyamalan moment there too.
It would just have been more exciting to see Korra being the established Avatar and basically knowing what to do, but for example facing opposition from the Earth Empire in forms of manipulated people, having morale conflicts about fighting innocent people(the army that is blindly following Kuvira) and so on.
It's just so disappointing that the last season of Korra should be, concept-wise, the very same thing we've seen in the last seasons as well.
The only progressing character here is Asami and maybe Varick as I said before. Mako is doing his thing and is now a bodyguard, Bolin is doing his thing being the quirky stupid guy. And Korra is being weak and getting strong again.
I guess the disappointment does not really lie on the quality of the season, because as I said it's basically more of the same and the same has always been great. But I've expected more of this season, especially considering it is the last.
Maybe they're rescuing it in the next episodes and surprise me and I'll eat my words, though.
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