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No, this is not a joke/trolling thread. We don't need more filler posts asking if it is.

Remember to spoiler season 6 content, and clearly label your spoilers.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
January 18 2013 04:30 GMT
#13861
Man, that turned out way better than expected. So much win.
TL+ Member
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
January 18 2013 04:32 GMT
#13862
Time to get diversee to fire back... and to write a certain type of fanfiction that I am becoming famous for starring Fluttershy...
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
January 18 2013 04:35 GMT
#13863
Lmao, that was epic sd.
Throw off those chains of reason, and your prison disappears. | Check your posting frequency timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/post_activity_img.php
Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
January 18 2013 04:38 GMT
#13864
I'm a bit disappointed gary, I'd have thought you would fight back with the pen and not with another's brush.
http://i.imgur.com/IPxgv.png
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
January 18 2013 04:47 GMT
#13865
I'm doing both.
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 06:16:08
January 18 2013 05:02 GMT
#13866
On January 18 2013 08:38 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 22:15 Salivanth wrote:
So I've learnt something today: Increasing the intelligence of characters in opposition to each other linearly leads to an exponential increase in the complexity of the plot. Couple that with my insistence on narrative honesty, and it's a recipe for disaster.

I came up with an idea for a fanfic based around the idea of Nightmare Moon not being defeated by the Elements. Instead, the Mane 6 fail their quest and there ends up as a war between NM and Celestia's supporters. So, I decided to make this work, NM had to be smarter. Villains in a kid's show tend to be stupid. So I sketched out a prologue, involving Celestia being ambushed by NM, but I realised that unless Celestia was a complete dumbass, there's no way she'd be wandering anywhere on the night of NM's return without about two thousand royal guards within ten feet, so I had to come up with this intricate plan of Celestia's that involved that NOT happening, and a way for Nightmare Moon to then foil it, allowing Celestia to actually lose.

So now I have this Death Note-esque escalating multi-layered mindfuckery between two characters, and this is set entirely within the Prologue, before the main story begins, and 90% of it happens BEFORE the beginning of the story even happens.

Needless to say, it is unlikely the story will ever be written.

Solution make everything you're planning with the prologue the real story finish it and see where you are from there. A short story about the start of the war between NM and celestia sounds like a great story.


You are a genius. That idea could definitely work. It could probably be written in such a way that it could stand alone or develop into a more extensive sequel.

It would also be EXTREMELY easy to change this story so that the story ends the same way it did it canon, too. So I may just do that, and have it be a behind-the-scenes look on the mental duel between Celestia and NM that went completely unnoticed by the Mane 6 and allowed their adventure to be possible.

Either way, with a couple of adjustments, this ought to be a good short story. I am in your debt!

On January 18 2013 08:42 Whitewing wrote:
I think you might be over-doing it. Just because someone is intelligent and wise doesn't mean they don't make mistakes, or can't be caught off guard. It's not like they both have to be freaking Grand Admiral Thrawn (bonus points to anyone who gets that reference) to be intelligent and wise. Unless that's what you want, in which case, a fan fiction that's basically spy vs. spy or Code Geass set in Equestria with ponies could definitely be fun.


I would absolutely ADORE an MLP story where both the protagonists and antagonists are extremely intelligent and are constantly outwitting each other in Nth-level mind games, but unfortunately, there's just no way in hell I can pull it off properly. The problem is, I don't set OUT to make my characters super-intelligent, I just set out to make them smart enough to not be totally stupid. I don't think "Okay, now what extremely elaborate plan should I execute today?"

Instead, my thought process goes something like this. "Well, if NM isn't a complete moron, then she'll ambush Celestia before Celestia knows she's escaped. But if CELESTIA isn't completely stupid, she'll be watching the Mare In The Moon for the moment it disappears, and even if NM used her moon-painting powers to block that info from Celestia, Celestia will contrive some sort of excuse to have an "honor guard" a hundred strong just in case, and she doesn't even need to tell them why, because why the hell WOULDN'T you do that if you were Celestia? And I can't think of a single way that NM can get through a hundred guards (Many of which will be unicorns, because Celestia knows what she's up against) AND Celestia, which means I need to come up with a plan for Celestia that doesn't involve having guards around, and it needs to be smart enough to have a realistic chance of working so that Celestia isn't holding the Idiot Ball when she fails. And then I need to come up with a non-obvious way for NM to realise what Celestia's doing and counter it, because again, there is no story if Celestia just outright wins in the second chapter."

It's hard to tell where it all goes wrong. Every step seems so reasonable and necessary, but even writing it down makes it very clear how insane it is. And considering these immortals are over a thousand years old, each, and have had years to prepare for this confrontation (Really, I'm assuming Celestia's plan started the second she met Twilight Sparkle), I find it difficult to imagine that anything I can come up with is too intelligent for them. Even if Celestia and Luna aren't as smart as me, I've been thinking about it for less than a week, and they've had years.

So...I don't exactly set out to write ridiculously complicated shit. It just happens as a natural consequence of what the characters are logically capable of if they aren't complete idiots, and which side needs to win.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 05:03:38
January 18 2013 05:03 GMT
#13867
Accidentally double posted.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
January 18 2013 05:11 GMT
#13868
On January 18 2013 13:47 Gary Oak wrote:
I'm doing both.



You're only doing one.
http://i.imgur.com/IPxgv.png
Wikt
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Poland226 Posts
January 18 2013 15:04 GMT
#13869
On January 18 2013 13:04 StarDragon wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 17 2013 07:04 Gary Oak wrote:
Why in Celestia's horn am I standing next to Twist.


On January 17 2013 07:07 Wikt wrote:
Because we ship you with her, duh.


On January 17 2013 07:22 Gary Oak wrote:
I'd rather ship with the Titanic.


Done...

Watch in HD <3


YES

This is the best.
Rest your copper eyes on heavens low. Let the radio waves carry you home.
Rawr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden624 Posts
January 18 2013 15:28 GMT
#13870
On January 18 2013 13:32 Gary Oak wrote:
Time to get diversee to fire back... and to write a certain type of fanfiction that I am becoming famous for starring Fluttershy...

Can't top esssdeeee, not even with divvies help, not gonna happen.
Joo Se-Hyuk
ZealotKiller
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada161 Posts
January 19 2013 15:28 GMT
#13871
On January 19 2013 00:28 Rawr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 13:32 Gary Oak wrote:
Time to get diversee to fire back... and to write a certain type of fanfiction that I am becoming famous for starring Fluttershy...

Can't top esssdeeee, not even with divvies help, not gonna happen.


I want to see him try. Can't not be awesome
I just like liking things.
Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
January 19 2013 16:05 GMT
#13872
0:00-19:00 9/10
19:01-22:00 1/10
http://i.imgur.com/IPxgv.png
BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
January 19 2013 16:08 GMT
#13873
On January 20 2013 01:05 Camail wrote:
0:00-19:00 9/10
19:01-22:00 1/10


Adds up to 10/10. Sounds like the perfect episode, coming from Camail.

Quoted for Truth.

As for me...

+ Show Spoiler +

Discord/10

Return of everyone's favorite chaos lord. Not enough Twilight though. Needs more Twilight-Alicorn, IMO.
Bio - Breaking it down
Lynda
Profile Joined May 2010
649 Posts
January 19 2013 16:08 GMT
#13874
cool premise
+ Show Spoiler +
pretty good execution until the end
and then terrible, not believable ending


8/10
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
January 19 2013 16:11 GMT
#13875
I still enjoyed watching it - that's what matters. But obviously there are many things I would change (if I would even approve the episode to be produced at all, given the premise). So 8/10.
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
January 19 2013 16:59 GMT
#13876
+ Show Spoiler +
I really feel like this episode should have been a 2-parter. It was over so quickly for something so important. Hopefully there is more to come with discord, because if it doesn't I will be a little bit disappointed.
It was still a nice episode, but could have been a lot better I think.
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Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 18:08:23
January 19 2013 17:48 GMT
#13877
Today's episode was written by a 15 year old fan.

+ Show Spoiler [source] +
Read the posts and check the timestamps on them. http://intensedebate.com/people/TeddyAntonio
I also verified this screencap. It is not photoshopped. http://i.imgur.com/rbaHS0N.png


+ Show Spoiler [rant] +
I'm really torn on the episode. Of course, it did a lot of things well, and any pacing issues I have can be attributed to time constraints, but conceptually and logically, I did not really like the episode all that much. I disagree with making Discord turn good, or at least antihero. I liked him the way he was. I understand the concept of character growth and development, but in this situation, I feel that it was not handled well.

I'd honestly rather just not see Discord again unless he goes back to his old ways. I also do not see how they can maintain continuity and introduce threatening villains at the same time, since all they need to do now is ask Discord to snap his fingers and the problem will be solved.

Anyway, I guess I'm mostly rustled by them allowing a fan to inspire a whole episode like this. It's the kind of pandering that, I think, can kill great shows and fandoms.

Basically, what I'm saying is, while this isn't a catastrophe by any means, it could be the thin end of the wedge, so to speak.


[Edit] Funny way to use my 2000th post, heh.
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 18:25:46
January 19 2013 18:25 GMT
#13878
On January 20 2013 02:48 Gary Oak wrote:
Today's episode was written by a 15 year old fan.

+ Show Spoiler [source] +
Read the posts and check the timestamps on them. http://intensedebate.com/people/TeddyAntonio
I also verified this screencap. It is not photoshopped. http://i.imgur.com/rbaHS0N.png


+ Show Spoiler [rant] +
I'm really torn on the episode. Of course, it did a lot of things well, and any pacing issues I have can be attributed to time constraints, but conceptually and logically, I did not really like the episode all that much. I disagree with making Discord turn good, or at least antihero. I liked him the way he was. I understand the concept of character growth and development, but in this situation, I feel that it was not handled well.

I'd honestly rather just not see Discord again unless he goes back to his old ways. I also do not see how they can maintain continuity and introduce threatening villains at the same time, since all they need to do now is ask Discord to snap his fingers and the problem will be solved.

Anyway, I guess I'm mostly rustled by them allowing a fan to inspire a whole episode like this. It's the kind of pandering that, I think, can kill great shows and fandoms.

Basically, what I'm saying is, while this isn't a catastrophe by any means, it could be the thin end of the wedge, so to speak.


[Edit] Funny way to use my 2000th post, heh.


Further evidence:

+ Show Spoiler +
"remember that the old episode name (when Meghan reveals it) will sound like the title of one of Lauren Faust's old shows."


+ Show Spoiler +
‏@MMeghanMcCarthy
#MLPSeason3 factoid: Today's episode was originally called "Fluttershy's Home for Reformed Draconequi"


So it had to be someone involved in the production.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
PengWin_SC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Switzerland433 Posts
January 19 2013 18:35 GMT
#13879
My thoughts:

+ Show Spoiler +
I'm also quite torn about the latest MLP episode. The entire premise is nonsensical and makes no sense given the canon. Why would Celestia ever want to release Discord from stone? There's no context, she's essentially jeopardizing the safety all of Equestria for no adequately explained reason. Surely something this potentially dire needs context?? The ending makes zero sense with Discord's character. I don't fully agree that Discord should be completely unredeemable, but the way they approached it was simply too easy for my taste. He's been locked in stone for over a thousand years, and he's surely built up a great deal of resentment and other such feelings over that time, ESPECIALLY since he states that he's still sentient despite being encased in stone.

That being said, I feel that they did the best they could with the premise, and it ended up being a pretty good episode. Discord was hilarious, and the entire approach to the less than ideal premise was good. I liked the characterization of Fluttershy throughout the episode, especially with her outburst of frustration at the end ("I am NOT your friend!") which was great to show again that even though she's far more patient and accepting, there are limits even to her. I actually thought the episode was really great up until the last minute and a half or so (barring Celestia's lack of reason for releasing him). I felt like Discord's moment of realization was too much of a 180 for me. But even with all of it's pitfalls, I really enjoyed it, and I don't feel that it was a particularly weak episode.


I've written this semi-hastily, so I don't expect it to be super perfect and I'm sure there's a better way to phrase some of my thoughts, but I did feel like doing this little write-up.
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BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
January 19 2013 18:37 GMT
#13880
TL;DR, everyone complains about every episode nowadays for whatever reason.
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