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No, this is not a joke/trolling thread. We don't need more filler posts asking if it is.

Remember to spoiler season 6 content, and clearly label your spoilers.
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
January 20 2013 16:13 GMT
#13901
On January 20 2013 13:30 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I can complain about pony art if no one else wants to.

MOTBOB SPOILER THAT SHIT

Pretty please?

And the long awaited: + Show Spoiler [youtube vid] +



FRESH OFF THE PRESS KIDS
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Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
January 20 2013 17:41 GMT
#13902
E10
+ Show Spoiler +
That was a lot of fun, totally happy with that episode after a few sluggish episodes. I thought it would be a 2 parter but I thought it worked well.
fooby
Profile Joined September 2010
United States52 Posts
January 20 2013 17:42 GMT
#13903
Yes it is finally released and I just finished watching it myself. I'm glad to see that upload was removed by the user. For those who might not understand why (or didn't back the project) here is the message from Mr. de Lancie included with the links for the digital downloads
+ Show Spoiler +
Your digital download of Bronies Core Edition is now available at Scrnland!

But first, a message from John de Lancie:

Dear Contributors,

At long last the documentary is finished. It was made possible by your generous contributions and the work of many professionals. When we first started, we were asked by many a concerned Brony if their parents, friends, and loved ones would find the documentary appropriate for viewing. Most emphatically, yes. As promised, the film is respectful, insightful and entertaining -- we present it to you with love.

Now, to a more down-to-earth matter: Please enjoy the documentary with family and friends but, please, do not upload the documentary to the Internet (YouTube, etc.). Why? Let me explain.

When we first had the idea of a Brony document ary, it was budgeted at $60,000. We figured two days of shooting with two cameras, followed by six weeks of editing. However, when the response to the Kickstarter campaign resulted in five times the original goal, Mike and I felt duty bound to expand the scope of the show. Immediately, this translated into four more cameras at the convention site in New Jersey. It also meant including four additional cities in the United States as well as traveling to Israel, Germany, Holland, and England. Of course, with this major expansion, we were now dealing with hundreds of additional hours of raw footage that necessitated the need to hire yet more editors, sound engineers and video engineers. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

As is customary in the film business, one tries to defer salaries so that all the money is put on the screen. Of course airlines, hotels, restaurants, camera operators, sound techs, video and audio post houses do not defer their costs. Neither do law yers or insurance companies. These people are paid up front. The people who traditionally defer their salaries are the writer, the director and the producers. There are six of us who have worked on this film for over eight months with the hope that our efforts would be recompensed AFTER the film is released. Mike, in particular, has worked an extraordinary twelve hours a day, every day for the entire eight months. This is why I’m asking that you not upload the film to the Internet. If someone, other than yourself and close friends, would like to see the documentary please direct them to www.BronyDoc.com (or directly at our online distributor, www.scrnland.com). It’s a modest amount to pay and it would be greatly appreciated. Also, while we are on the subject of the Internet (YouTube in particular), we want to take this film to the next step in distribution because we think the Brony message needs to be experienced by the general public and not just Bronies. However, for festivals and film distributors to take the film seriously and to give it a wider viewership, the documentary cannot have been available on sites like YouTube.



Please honor our request.



Thank you,

John de Lancie
Zeeky Boogy Doog!
Tabularasa
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany116 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-20 17:52:56
January 20 2013 17:51 GMT
#13904
On January 20 2013 06:47 AGIANTSMURF wrote:
I was rather skeptical at first, but this vid/presentation opened my eyes



anyone who may seem skeptical at first should check it out


Well, its... okay. The beginning was okay, but later on the speaker really showed how bad he is at speaking - some insecurities can be overlooked, but he made a fool of himself with all that shouting and desperate try to be funny.
I can't really see how that presentation could appeal to any sceptic, only if its a teenage 4chan-visiting meme-lover.

The biggest plus is that it gets straight to the point in the first few minutes and doesn't lose itself in details too much, while still giving some key points. Although I get the feeling that the limited time is what forced this, not the guy who made the presentation.

Most "bronie presentation" etc. go way beyond what their original goal was: An Introduction.
They rather show as much of the MLP "culture" as possible in the shortest time, usually with a somewhat narcisstic undertone. If you want to introduce MLP to someone new (usually against the threshold of the "manliness-issue" and pre-existing my-little-pony ideas) keep it short, point out whats good about it, why people love it, that the huge male fanbase should be proof enough and point out that even the producers themselves acknowledge the male fanbase in a very positive way.

Rather than that, bronies tend to create such presentations as if they do it for other bronies - full of insider catch-phrases and memes, with a childish form of exitement which I don't have a problem with, but it will usually just play into the prejudices you might face (manchildren who get way too exited about a girly show etc.). You can't expect someone to share that kind of excitement when they don't even know the show, but only have a faint (and usually rather bad) impression of the old series.
KeKeKeKeZergru..... forgot my Spawningpool :<
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-20 18:07:53
January 20 2013 18:02 GMT
#13905
On January 21 2013 02:42 fooby wrote:
Yes it is finally released and I just finished watching it myself. I'm glad to see that upload was removed by the user. For those who might not understand why (or didn't back the project) here is the message from Mr. de Lancie included with the links for the digital downloads
+ Show Spoiler +
Your digital download of Bronies Core Edition is now available at Scrnland!

But first, a message from John de Lancie:

Dear Contributors,

At long last the documentary is finished. It was made possible by your generous contributions and the work of many professionals. When we first started, we were asked by many a concerned Brony if their parents, friends, and loved ones would find the documentary appropriate for viewing. Most emphatically, yes. As promised, the film is respectful, insightful and entertaining -- we present it to you with love.

Now, to a more down-to-earth matter: Please enjoy the documentary with family and friends but, please, do not upload the documentary to the Internet (YouTube, etc.). Why? Let me explain.

When we first had the idea of a Brony document ary, it was budgeted at $60,000. We figured two days of shooting with two cameras, followed by six weeks of editing. However, when the response to the Kickstarter campaign resulted in five times the original goal, Mike and I felt duty bound to expand the scope of the show. Immediately, this translated into four more cameras at the convention site in New Jersey. It also meant including four additional cities in the United States as well as traveling to Israel, Germany, Holland, and England. Of course, with this major expansion, we were now dealing with hundreds of additional hours of raw footage that necessitated the need to hire yet more editors, sound engineers and video engineers. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

As is customary in the film business, one tries to defer salaries so that all the money is put on the screen. Of course airlines, hotels, restaurants, camera operators, sound techs, video and audio post houses do not defer their costs. Neither do law yers or insurance companies. These people are paid up front. The people who traditionally defer their salaries are the writer, the director and the producers. There are six of us who have worked on this film for over eight months with the hope that our efforts would be recompensed AFTER the film is released. Mike, in particular, has worked an extraordinary twelve hours a day, every day for the entire eight months. This is why I’m asking that you not upload the film to the Internet. If someone, other than yourself and close friends, would like to see the documentary please direct them to www.BronyDoc.com (or directly at our online distributor, www.scrnland.com). It’s a modest amount to pay and it would be greatly appreciated. Also, while we are on the subject of the Internet (YouTube in particular), we want to take this film to the next step in distribution because we think the Brony message needs to be experienced by the general public and not just Bronies. However, for festivals and film distributors to take the film seriously and to give it a wider viewership, the documentary cannot have been available on sites like YouTube.



Please honor our request.



Thank you,

John de Lancie


I think that is the most silly thing they ever could have done. Bronies grew out of new media. There wouldn`t have been this kind of following without Youtube, and if HASBRO enforced their copyrighted characters with more draconian measures there wouldn`t even have been an EQD or drawfriends to post.

De Lancie and the people that made the documentary could have put it up on youtube themselves and spent the limited add revenue this would have generated to get some semblance of income, and then sold physical copies like a signed Blue-ray, and some extra content for the prices presented by this retailer. Instead the retailer is content in selling the produced good as just another digital copy that took no effort for them to reproduce. I have a good internet, I could have gotten this downloaded in a matter of 10 minutes using peer to peer, but instead I have to sit here and look at the numbers their upload service is granting me.

The argument about youtube reducing the credibility of their documentary, and presenting it as limiting to viewership is foreign to me. It`s like the entire world is growing more polarized with every year that passes. I understand that people need to be paid. I chipped in for their kickstarter, and in following these bronies about I got to see something nice, but with regards to how they treated internet distribution I think they erred, and it makes me upset, confused, and all these other things that comes with not understanding why they did as they did.
"Mudkip"
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-20 18:11:07
January 20 2013 18:08 GMT
#13906
The creators were stupid to spend $300,000 on a fully produced documentary that didn't include paying themselves. It's clear they are in this for personal gain, and that is unrealistic considering the audience.

In the future, Kickstarter projects will be more like investments: when you put up money for the thing, you own a fractional share in it. Since you are bearing the risk that it will never happen, just like if they went to a venture capital company or took a business loan. I'm sure if the contributing bronies had a collective vote over it the result would not be $13 no Youtube access.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13931 Posts
January 20 2013 18:20 GMT
#13907
I'm a bit disipointed that they didn't pay themselves wth the kickstarter money but tbh I've blown money on a lot dumber things then 14 for a good movIe.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
PencilZerg
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark76 Posts
January 20 2013 19:01 GMT
#13908
Paid 30 bucks to fund it and got my download today.
Documentary was good. Many of the people interviewed seemed socially handicapped to some degree which actually surprised me. My favourite parts were the parts where the people behind the show were included.

+ Show Spoiler +
Interview with Faust, writers and actors as well as the animated parts were really well done.


Worth my money and time : )
Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-20 22:00:50
January 20 2013 20:26 GMT
#13909


Lauren Faust
Shows based on girls’ toys always left a bad taste in my mouth, even when I was a child. They did not reflect the way I played with my toys. I assigned my ponies and my Strawberry Shortcake dolls distinctive personalities and sent them on epic adventures to save the world. On TV, though, I couldn’t tell one girl character from another and they just had endless tea parties, giggled over nothing and defeated villains by either sharing with them or crying–which miraculously inspired the villain to turn nice. Even to my 7-year-old self, these shows made no sense and couldn’t keep my interest. No wonder the boys at school laughed at my Rainbow Unicorn Trapper Keeper.


Source
http://i.imgur.com/IPxgv.png
PencilZerg
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark76 Posts
January 21 2013 00:26 GMT
#13910
On January 21 2013 05:26 Camail wrote:


Show nested quote +
Lauren Faust
Shows based on girls’ toys always left a bad taste in my mouth, even when I was a child. They did not reflect the way I played with my toys. I assigned my ponies and my Strawberry Shortcake dolls distinctive personalities and sent them on epic adventures to save the world. On TV, though, I couldn’t tell one girl character from another and they just had endless tea parties, giggled over nothing and defeated villains by either sharing with them or crying–which miraculously inspired the villain to turn nice. Even to my 7-year-old self, these shows made no sense and couldn’t keep my interest. No wonder the boys at school laughed at my Rainbow Unicorn Trapper Keeper.


Source


RABBLE!!

Nice find though - and I completely agree with the above statement.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
January 21 2013 07:59 GMT
#13911
On January 21 2013 03:08 Solarsail wrote:
The creators were stupid to spend $300,000 on a fully produced documentary that didn't include paying themselves. It's clear they are in this for personal gain, and that is unrealistic considering the audience.

In the future, Kickstarter projects will be more like investments: when you put up money for the thing, you own a fractional share in it. Since you are bearing the risk that it will never happen, just like if they went to a venture capital company or took a business loan. I'm sure if the contributing bronies had a collective vote over it the result would not be $13 no Youtube access.

The creators didn't pay themselves with the Kickstarter money but it is clear that they are in this for personal gain.

what
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
January 21 2013 08:16 GMT
#13912
I don't see your point Mot.

They were in it.

For personal.

Gain.
http://i.imgur.com/IPxgv.png
MZR
Profile Joined February 2012
United States41 Posts
January 21 2013 14:30 GMT
#13913
Is Season 3 the season of redemption?
+ Show Spoiler +
Trixie gets her comeuppance and starts playing nice. Discord (maybe) decides it's kind of lonely being the lord of chaos by yourself. Babs comes around. Even Pinkie realizes you can have too much of a good thing...
Conjecture - Chrysalis shows up in the finale
They carry news that must get through, to build the dream for me and you. They choose the path where no one goes. They choose no quarter.
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
January 21 2013 15:11 GMT
#13914
On January 21 2013 17:16 Camail wrote:
I don't see your point Mot.

They were in it.

For personal.

Gain.


I think the point is "If they were in it for personal gain, why would they have refrained from paying themselves with the Kickstarter money? How do those actions make logical sense if you're in it to make money for yourself?"
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
January 21 2013 15:20 GMT
#13915
On January 22 2013 00:11 Salivanth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 17:16 Camail wrote:
I don't see your point Mot.

They were in it.

For personal.

Gain.


I think the point is "If they were in it for personal gain, why would they have refrained from paying themselves with the Kickstarter money? How do those actions make logical sense if you're in it to make money for yourself?"

Greater capital investment can lead to a greater return, which directly benefits any producers.

To be fair, I didn't even like the documentary that much to be honest, nor did I realise (when I posted it) that it wasn't supposed to be shared on youtube. Would I have watched it anyway if I had known it was not supposed to be on youtube? Yeah, probably. I would not have bothered to torrent or legally obtain it though, so I guess in my case it doesn't really matter.
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Zoundsforsook
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Scotland636 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 15:26:30
January 21 2013 15:26 GMT
#13916
I bought the documentary and I'm downloading it right now.

I don't mind paying for it (it isn't expensive and I'm not poverty stricken) but with the way the show spread I find it rather unlikely that a hundred versions of it wouldn't be on youtube almost instantly.
Paint it bright and bold.
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
January 21 2013 15:33 GMT
#13917
On January 22 2013 00:20 Rollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 00:11 Salivanth wrote:
On January 21 2013 17:16 Camail wrote:
I don't see your point Mot.

They were in it.

For personal.

Gain.


I think the point is "If they were in it for personal gain, why would they have refrained from paying themselves with the Kickstarter money? How do those actions make logical sense if you're in it to make money for yourself?"

Greater capital investment can lead to a greater return, which directly benefits any producers.

To be fair, I didn't even like the documentary that much to be honest, nor did I realise (when I posted it) that it wasn't supposed to be shared on youtube. Would I have watched it anyway if I had known it was not supposed to be on youtube? Yeah, probably. I would not have bothered to torrent or legally obtain it though, so I guess in my case it doesn't really matter.


If the documentary is on youtube, then they cant sell it to TV corporations and a fair amount of conventional media outlets will not consider the documentary. They wanted to reach the ignorants. The dads and moms who watch tv. It is not for us.
"Mudkip"
Frigo
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary1023 Posts
January 21 2013 16:31 GMT
#13918
On January 21 2013 05:26 Camail wrote:


Show nested quote +
Lauren Faust
Shows based on girls’ toys always left a bad taste in my mouth, even when I was a child. They did not reflect the way I played with my toys. I assigned my ponies and my Strawberry Shortcake dolls distinctive personalities and sent them on epic adventures to save the world. On TV, though, I couldn’t tell one girl character from another and they just had endless tea parties, giggled over nothing and defeated villains by either sharing with them or crying–which miraculously inspired the villain to turn nice. Even to my 7-year-old self, these shows made no sense and couldn’t keep my interest. No wonder the boys at school laughed at my Rainbow Unicorn Trapper Keeper.


Source

+ Show Spoiler +
I suspect there is more to it than it seems.

The episode implies that Discord hasn't turned nice just because of Fluttshy. He is capable of time travel, yet he does not mess with the timeline, which is like the ultimate source of chaos. He neither just do a *snap* and make the Elements of Harmony disappear. All this implies he is not the spirit of pure chaos he is portrayed. He might have a genuine interest in saving Equestria from a future threat bigger than him, of which Celestia and Luna are implied to be aware as well.

The mention of "friend" seems to have a profound effect on him. This implies he did not have, or has neglected his friends in the past. If the Discord == Starswirl theory is correct, he most probably neglected Luna (and/or possibly Celestia) in favor of focusing on improving his magic. However, without friends, he could not unlock higher levels of magic, thus is powerless against aforementioned threat. Realizing this he either went mad, resulting in the Discord we all know, or less probably, he started to seek alternative solutions, testing ponies, including the Mane 6, trying to strengthen their friendship.

Either way, he realizes that while he has no chance of rebuilding burned bridges, he can help Twilight to reach her "next level of studies" and to "bid farewell and adieu to all those pesky little voices in her head that are trying to make sense of everything", freeing her of the OCD-like need to understand the explanations behind everything, all the while maintaining the friendship of the Mane 6 and unlocking the true potential of the power of her and her friends, saving Equestria and redeeming him of the lost friendships and consequences of his madness.

Or I'm just overanalyzing things.
http://www.fimfiction.net/user/Treasure_Chest
Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 21:20:23
January 21 2013 21:19 GMT
#13919
On January 22 2013 00:11 Salivanth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 17:16 Camail wrote:
I don't see your point Mot.

They were in it.

For personal.

Gain.


I think the point is "If they were in it for personal gain, why would they have refrained from paying themselves with the Kickstarter money? How do those actions make logical sense if you're in it to make money for yourself?"




I know that I can't actually denote sarcasm in text, but I thought that I did a decent job at it none the less...sigh.


EDIT:

And yea frigo you are over analyzing. That post was 99% fanon.
http://i.imgur.com/IPxgv.png
Frigo
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary1023 Posts
January 22 2013 01:00 GMT
#13920
On January 22 2013 06:19 Camail wrote:
And yea frigo you are over analyzing. That post was 99% fanon.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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