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No, this is not a joke/trolling thread. We don't need more filler posts asking if it is.

Remember to spoiler season 6 content, and clearly label your spoilers.
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
January 16 2013 22:04 GMT
#13841
Why in Celestia's horn am I standing next to Twist.
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
Wikt
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Poland226 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 22:07:47
January 16 2013 22:07 GMT
#13842
On January 17 2013 07:04 Gary Oak wrote:
Why in Celestia's horn am I standing next to Twist.

Because we ship you with her, duh.
Rest your copper eyes on heavens low. Let the radio waves carry you home.
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
January 16 2013 22:22 GMT
#13843
I'd rather ship with the Titanic.
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
Wikt
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Poland226 Posts
January 16 2013 22:24 GMT
#13844
On January 17 2013 07:22 Gary Oak wrote:
I'd rather ship with the Titanic.

That can be arranged.
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Rest your copper eyes on heavens low. Let the radio waves carry you home.
StarDragon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States283 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 22:45:13
January 16 2013 22:25 GMT
#13845
On January 17 2013 07:22 Gary Oak wrote:
I'd rather ship with the Titanic.


lol
Ponies? My deviantart: http://stardragon102.deviantart.com/
Phant
Profile Joined August 2010
United States737 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 05:32:51
January 17 2013 02:05 GMT
#13846
Nice work ,Stardragon!

You have improved A TON since that first Rainbow Dash you drew with a mouse.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14210 Posts
January 17 2013 02:26 GMT
#13847
I wanted to use my 4k post to remind you all that you're all completely awesome.

A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
[Agony]x90
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States853 Posts
January 17 2013 03:21 GMT
#13848
SD YES FINALLY!!!

I also recognize a couple of images that you drew separately, including the garyxtwist, rainbowdash and discord :-p. Good work, now keep drawing! No rest....
JF dodger since 2009
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
January 17 2013 13:15 GMT
#13849
So I've learnt something today: Increasing the intelligence of characters in opposition to each other linearly leads to an exponential increase in the complexity of the plot. Couple that with my insistence on narrative honesty, and it's a recipe for disaster.

I came up with an idea for a fanfic based around the idea of Nightmare Moon not being defeated by the Elements. Instead, the Mane 6 fail their quest and there ends up as a war between NM and Celestia's supporters. So, I decided to make this work, NM had to be smarter. Villains in a kid's show tend to be stupid. So I sketched out a prologue, involving Celestia being ambushed by NM, but I realised that unless Celestia was a complete dumbass, there's no way she'd be wandering anywhere on the night of NM's return without about two thousand royal guards within ten feet, so I had to come up with this intricate plan of Celestia's that involved that NOT happening, and a way for Nightmare Moon to then foil it, allowing Celestia to actually lose.

So now I have this Death Note-esque escalating multi-layered mindfuckery between two characters, and this is set entirely within the Prologue, before the main story begins, and 90% of it happens BEFORE the beginning of the story even happens.

Needless to say, it is unlikely the story will ever be written.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
January 17 2013 17:09 GMT
#13850
Pulling off a chess master "evil plan" is pretty difficult. I believe I managed it in my story, but it wasn't easy. This sort of thing requires a lot of planning as well as multiple drafts.
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
January 17 2013 23:32 GMT
#13851
Yeah. I've realised that, in order to try and make the plot I want to happen happen, both Celestia and NM basically have to be chessmasters in their own right, and that's just not practical. I reckon that if I stop making it a pre-requisite that certain things happen, the plot ought to simplify greatly. After all, in real life intelligence is not about creating complex plans, intelligence is much more about simply not being stupid, and finding simple solutions to complex problems.

That said, the simplest solution to this complex problem is to just abandon this idea and move on to another idea I have. Intelligence plays a large role in that fic as well, but not in the hero vs. villain sense that leads to the problems that arose above. Intelligent characters are much easier to deal with when the obstacles they're trying to overcome aren't other equally intelligent characters.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 23:37:48
January 17 2013 23:36 GMT
#13852
On January 18 2013 02:09 Gary Oak wrote:
Pulling off a chess master "evil plan" is pretty difficult. I believe I managed it in my story, but it wasn't easy. This sort of thing requires a lot of planning as well as multiple drafts.


I remember a trilogy of books I read a while ago where the chess master level battle between two deities, using followers, was actually being represented with a literal chess battle in the heavens.

The books were Sacrifice of the Widow, Storm of the Dead, and Ascendency of the Last. The prologue and epilogue would be them playing Sava (chess) and moving pieces around with plots and plots in plots (on a level that says fuck you to inception), and the rest of the book would be the actual events that the chess board movements represent. It was pretty interesting actually.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14210 Posts
January 17 2013 23:38 GMT
#13853
On January 17 2013 22:15 Salivanth wrote:
So I've learnt something today: Increasing the intelligence of characters in opposition to each other linearly leads to an exponential increase in the complexity of the plot. Couple that with my insistence on narrative honesty, and it's a recipe for disaster.

I came up with an idea for a fanfic based around the idea of Nightmare Moon not being defeated by the Elements. Instead, the Mane 6 fail their quest and there ends up as a war between NM and Celestia's supporters. So, I decided to make this work, NM had to be smarter. Villains in a kid's show tend to be stupid. So I sketched out a prologue, involving Celestia being ambushed by NM, but I realised that unless Celestia was a complete dumbass, there's no way she'd be wandering anywhere on the night of NM's return without about two thousand royal guards within ten feet, so I had to come up with this intricate plan of Celestia's that involved that NOT happening, and a way for Nightmare Moon to then foil it, allowing Celestia to actually lose.

So now I have this Death Note-esque escalating multi-layered mindfuckery between two characters, and this is set entirely within the Prologue, before the main story begins, and 90% of it happens BEFORE the beginning of the story even happens.

Needless to say, it is unlikely the story will ever be written.

Solution make everything you're planning with the prologue the real story finish it and see where you are from there. A short story about the start of the war between NM and celestia sounds like a great story.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 23:43:32
January 17 2013 23:42 GMT
#13854
On January 18 2013 08:32 Salivanth wrote:
Yeah. I've realised that, in order to try and make the plot I want to happen happen, both Celestia and NM basically have to be chessmasters in their own right, and that's just not practical. I reckon that if I stop making it a pre-requisite that certain things happen, the plot ought to simplify greatly. After all, in real life intelligence is not about creating complex plans, intelligence is much more about simply not being stupid, and finding simple solutions to complex problems.

That said, the simplest solution to this complex problem is to just abandon this idea and move on to another idea I have. Intelligence plays a large role in that fic as well, but not in the hero vs. villain sense that leads to the problems that arose above. Intelligent characters are much easier to deal with when the obstacles they're trying to overcome aren't other equally intelligent characters.


I think you might be over-doing it. Just because someone is intelligent and wise doesn't mean they don't make mistakes, or can't be caught off guard. It's not like they both have to be freaking Grand Admiral Thrawn (bonus points to anyone who gets that reference) to be intelligent and wise. Unless that's what you want, in which case, a fan fiction that's basically spy vs. spy or Code Geass set in Equestria with ponies could definitely be fun.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
YipCraft
Profile Joined July 2011
United States216 Posts
January 17 2013 23:51 GMT
#13855
On January 18 2013 08:42 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 08:32 Salivanth wrote:
Yeah. I've realised that, in order to try and make the plot I want to happen happen, both Celestia and NM basically have to be chessmasters in their own right, and that's just not practical. I reckon that if I stop making it a pre-requisite that certain things happen, the plot ought to simplify greatly. After all, in real life intelligence is not about creating complex plans, intelligence is much more about simply not being stupid, and finding simple solutions to complex problems.

That said, the simplest solution to this complex problem is to just abandon this idea and move on to another idea I have. Intelligence plays a large role in that fic as well, but not in the hero vs. villain sense that leads to the problems that arose above. Intelligent characters are much easier to deal with when the obstacles they're trying to overcome aren't other equally intelligent characters.


I think you might be over-doing it. Just because someone is intelligent and wise doesn't mean they don't make mistakes, or can't be caught off guard. It's not like they both have to be freaking Grand Admiral Thrawn (bonus points to anyone who gets that reference) to be intelligent and wise. Unless that's what you want, in which case, a fan fiction that's basically spy vs. spy or Code Geass set in Equestria with ponies could definitely be fun.


I love Code Geass =D
StarDragon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States283 Posts
January 18 2013 04:04 GMT
#13856
On January 17 2013 07:04 Gary Oak wrote:
Why in Celestia's horn am I standing next to Twist.


On January 17 2013 07:07 Wikt wrote:
Because we ship you with her, duh.


On January 17 2013 07:22 Gary Oak wrote:
I'd rather ship with the Titanic.


Done...

Watch in HD <3
Ponies? My deviantart: http://stardragon102.deviantart.com/
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
January 18 2013 04:05 GMT
#13857
On January 18 2013 13:04 StarDragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 07:04 Gary Oak wrote:
Why in Celestia's horn am I standing next to Twist.


Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 07:07 Wikt wrote:
Because we ship you with her, duh.


Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 07:22 Gary Oak wrote:
I'd rather ship with the Titanic.


Done...

Watch in HD <3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkXCUUkwxVM


I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
January 18 2013 04:12 GMT
#13858
i am speechless
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 18 2013 04:14 GMT
#13859
IM IN TEARS
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
DuB phool
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1003 Posts
January 18 2013 04:25 GMT
#13860
Never to be outdone.

Never.
"overwatch is jesus" - motbob 2016
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