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No, this is not a joke/trolling thread. We don't need more filler posts asking if it is.

Remember to spoiler season 6 content, and clearly label your spoilers.
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 03:17:57
December 18 2011 03:17 GMT
#7201
So... I was working on this

[image loading]

Then my computer crashed, photoshop didn't autosave properly, and the PSD got corrupted as well. SO I get to start over.

Took the opportunity to redraw the pose and rescan so it'll be better but tis still frustrating
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
December 18 2011 04:19 GMT
#7202
Ceramic Fluttershy bust on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CUSTOM-CERAMIC-FLUTTERSHY-BUST-/170749957683?pt=Art_Sculpture&hash=item27c17d9633#ht_500wt_945
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
December 18 2011 04:25 GMT
#7203
People are just making random FiM merchandise and ebaying it, why arent Hasbro making quality FiM merchandise again?
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
December 18 2011 04:57 GMT
#7204
On December 18 2011 13:25 Raelcun wrote:
People are just making random FiM merchandise and ebaying it, why arent Hasbro making quality FiM merchandise again?

Apparently because they hate money. I mean the plushies have been selling for hundreds of dollars, I think a few hundred plushies would be likely to turn a profit.
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Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
December 18 2011 05:06 GMT
#7205
On December 18 2011 13:25 Raelcun wrote:
People are just making random FiM merchandise and ebaying it, why arent Hasbro making quality FiM merchandise again?

Bronies aren't a safe market, according to them. At least they've recently supposedly hired a MLP marketer that's in touch with pop culture...aka knows what the bronies are all about. Maybe they're finally admitting we're a worthwhile market? Or at least worth considering for future merchandise.
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
Happylime
Profile Joined August 2011
United States133 Posts
December 18 2011 05:09 GMT
#7206
Well Hasbro you see...

Is confused that they missed their demographic by so much.
Get busy living, or get busy dying.
Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
December 18 2011 05:39 GMT
#7207
On December 18 2011 14:09 Happylime wrote:
Well Hasbro you see...

Is confused that they missed their demographic by so much.


Basically this.

I hope they will accept it soon (after they've seen how crazy we are with Cons and fan fics, I'm surprised they doubt us still). I know I would probably pay quite a bit for a well made RBD plushie. Maybe I should suggest it to my mom - but then I'd have to explain it...

Well you see lots of adults enjoy the show - Why? - I don't know... Just trust me. - Isn't that a kids/girls show? - Don't ask questions.
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
December 18 2011 05:42 GMT
#7208
The fact that the three tribes were fighting each other reminded of the three races in Starcraft.
I can just imagine a brony version of Starcraft.
Earth - Terran
Unicorn - Protoss
Pegasus - Zerg
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
December 18 2011 05:50 GMT
#7209
+ Show Spoiler +
Oh man this episode felt like a kid's show....
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
December 18 2011 05:52 GMT
#7210
100,000th image on Ponibooru:

[image loading]

On December 18 2011 14:50 Xiphos wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Oh man this episode felt like a kid's show....

+ Show Spoiler +
Relevant image:
[image loading]
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
HoMM
Profile Joined July 2010
Estonia635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 05:59:42
December 18 2011 05:59 GMT
#7211
Newest episode 9/10, enjoyed it, ending was meh otherwise couldve been 10/10

.
Here's some pony vids for ya.
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Anarion55
Profile Joined October 2010
United States72 Posts
December 18 2011 06:02 GMT
#7212
On December 18 2011 14:39 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 14:09 Happylime wrote:
Well Hasbro you see...

Is confused that they missed their demographic by so much.


Basically this.

I hope they will accept it soon (after they've seen how crazy we are with Cons and fan fics, I'm surprised they doubt us still). I know I would probably pay quite a bit for a well made RBD plushie. Maybe I should suggest it to my mom - but then I'd have to explain it...

Well you see lots of adults enjoy the show - Why? - I don't know... Just trust me. - Isn't that a kids/girls show? - Don't ask questions.



It's also worth keeping in mind that their toy production is done at the scale of hundreds of millions of dollars. Even if producing high quality toys for bronies would be profitable in the abstract, if Hasbro can't sell a certain number it would cost more to retool the factory than it would to just ignore us. I'd guess they would need to sell over 100,000 toys a quarter to even make it worthwhile to make a new toy line, but I might be way off. The main point is, it costs major cash just to set things up to make the toys so it's only worthwhile if they expect to sell in huge quantities.
sometimes people stumble over the truth, but usually they pick themselves up and keep on going. -Churchill
Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
December 18 2011 06:15 GMT
#7213
On December 18 2011 15:02 Anarion55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 14:39 Sprungjeezy wrote:
On December 18 2011 14:09 Happylime wrote:
Well Hasbro you see...

Is confused that they missed their demographic by so much.


Basically this.

I hope they will accept it soon (after they've seen how crazy we are with Cons and fan fics, I'm surprised they doubt us still). I know I would probably pay quite a bit for a well made RBD plushie. Maybe I should suggest it to my mom - but then I'd have to explain it...

Well you see lots of adults enjoy the show - Why? - I don't know... Just trust me. - Isn't that a kids/girls show? - Don't ask questions.



It's also worth keeping in mind that their toy production is done at the scale of hundreds of millions of dollars. Even if producing high quality toys for bronies would be profitable in the abstract, if Hasbro can't sell a certain number it would cost more to retool the factory than it would to just ignore us. I'd guess they would need to sell over 100,000 toys a quarter to even make it worthwhile to make a new toy line, but I might be way off. The main point is, it costs major cash just to set things up to make the toys so it's only worthwhile if they expect to sell in huge quantities.


No I realize this and I also realize that not all Bronies are confident enough with themselves to purchase such an emblem as a child's toy. I've wondered how it might appear, a straight male with a Rainbow Dash plush toy in their room, but I still believe enough people would buy it even if they might hide it from some people, they would still brag about it to others - and of course those that hide it would given the name Closet-Brony (because they might hide their toy in the closet, get it?).

Frankly, I admit I don't know enough about our Brony demographic as I've never attended a convention or done any research into how large we actually are, but I do think it would be fair to assume that those of us that can (and are willing/brave enough) to be publicly associated with it is a vastly smaller percentage of total Bronies (especially when the "Brony" demographic are generally a less outgoing people to begin with).

tl;dr - I don't know if we have enough people to warrant a toy line, but boy would I love to see it regardless (and given that we have already rendered the MLP creators speechless with the fact that we exist with our insane following, we might be worth a risk to see how little sense Bronies make).
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 06:24:44
December 18 2011 06:24 GMT
#7214
On December 18 2011 15:15 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 15:02 Anarion55 wrote:
On December 18 2011 14:39 Sprungjeezy wrote:
On December 18 2011 14:09 Happylime wrote:
Well Hasbro you see...

Is confused that they missed their demographic by so much.


Basically this.

I hope they will accept it soon (after they've seen how crazy we are with Cons and fan fics, I'm surprised they doubt us still). I know I would probably pay quite a bit for a well made RBD plushie. Maybe I should suggest it to my mom - but then I'd have to explain it...

Well you see lots of adults enjoy the show - Why? - I don't know... Just trust me. - Isn't that a kids/girls show? - Don't ask questions.



It's also worth keeping in mind that their toy production is done at the scale of hundreds of millions of dollars. Even if producing high quality toys for bronies would be profitable in the abstract, if Hasbro can't sell a certain number it would cost more to retool the factory than it would to just ignore us. I'd guess they would need to sell over 100,000 toys a quarter to even make it worthwhile to make a new toy line, but I might be way off. The main point is, it costs major cash just to set things up to make the toys so it's only worthwhile if they expect to sell in huge quantities.


No I realize this and I also realize that not all Bronies are confident enough with themselves to purchase such an emblem as a child's toy. I've wondered how it might appear, a straight male with a Rainbow Dash plush toy in their room, but I still believe enough people would buy it even if they might hide it from some people, they would still brag about it to others - and of course those that hide it would given the name Closet-Brony (because they might hide their toy in the closet, get it?).

Frankly, I admit I don't know enough about our Brony demographic as I've never attended a convention or done any research into how large we actually are, but I do think it would be fair to assume that those of us that can (and are willing/brave enough) to be publicly associated with it is a vastly smaller percentage of total Bronies (especially when the "Brony" demographic are generally a less outgoing people to begin with).

tl;dr - I don't know if we have enough people to warrant a toy line, but boy would I love to see it regardless (and given that we have already rendered the MLP creators speechless with the fact that we exist with our insane following, we might be worth a risk to see how little sense Bronies make).

better question, who doesn't want a rainbow dash plushie in their house?

i'd have like one in every major room
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
December 18 2011 06:36 GMT
#7215
On December 18 2011 15:24 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 15:15 Sprungjeezy wrote:
On December 18 2011 15:02 Anarion55 wrote:
On December 18 2011 14:39 Sprungjeezy wrote:
On December 18 2011 14:09 Happylime wrote:
Well Hasbro you see...

Is confused that they missed their demographic by so much.


Basically this.

I hope they will accept it soon (after they've seen how crazy we are with Cons and fan fics, I'm surprised they doubt us still). I know I would probably pay quite a bit for a well made RBD plushie. Maybe I should suggest it to my mom - but then I'd have to explain it...

Well you see lots of adults enjoy the show - Why? - I don't know... Just trust me. - Isn't that a kids/girls show? - Don't ask questions.



It's also worth keeping in mind that their toy production is done at the scale of hundreds of millions of dollars. Even if producing high quality toys for bronies would be profitable in the abstract, if Hasbro can't sell a certain number it would cost more to retool the factory than it would to just ignore us. I'd guess they would need to sell over 100,000 toys a quarter to even make it worthwhile to make a new toy line, but I might be way off. The main point is, it costs major cash just to set things up to make the toys so it's only worthwhile if they expect to sell in huge quantities.


No I realize this and I also realize that not all Bronies are confident enough with themselves to purchase such an emblem as a child's toy. I've wondered how it might appear, a straight male with a Rainbow Dash plush toy in their room, but I still believe enough people would buy it even if they might hide it from some people, they would still brag about it to others - and of course those that hide it would given the name Closet-Brony (because they might hide their toy in the closet, get it?).

Frankly, I admit I don't know enough about our Brony demographic as I've never attended a convention or done any research into how large we actually are, but I do think it would be fair to assume that those of us that can (and are willing/brave enough) to be publicly associated with it is a vastly smaller percentage of total Bronies (especially when the "Brony" demographic are generally a less outgoing people to begin with).

tl;dr - I don't know if we have enough people to warrant a toy line, but boy would I love to see it regardless (and given that we have already rendered the MLP creators speechless with the fact that we exist with our insane following, we might be worth a risk to see how little sense Bronies make).

better question, who doesn't want a rainbow dash plushie in their house?

i'd have like one in every major room

Only one?

It's not like Hasbro's target audience wouldn't buy plushies, so I don't know why they haven't made any. Stuffed animals are some of the most stereotypically girly things there are.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
December 18 2011 06:42 GMT
#7216
On December 18 2011 15:36 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 15:24 Frolossus wrote:
On December 18 2011 15:15 Sprungjeezy wrote:
On December 18 2011 15:02 Anarion55 wrote:
On December 18 2011 14:39 Sprungjeezy wrote:
On December 18 2011 14:09 Happylime wrote:
Well Hasbro you see...

Is confused that they missed their demographic by so much.


Basically this.

I hope they will accept it soon (after they've seen how crazy we are with Cons and fan fics, I'm surprised they doubt us still). I know I would probably pay quite a bit for a well made RBD plushie. Maybe I should suggest it to my mom - but then I'd have to explain it...

Well you see lots of adults enjoy the show - Why? - I don't know... Just trust me. - Isn't that a kids/girls show? - Don't ask questions.



It's also worth keeping in mind that their toy production is done at the scale of hundreds of millions of dollars. Even if producing high quality toys for bronies would be profitable in the abstract, if Hasbro can't sell a certain number it would cost more to retool the factory than it would to just ignore us. I'd guess they would need to sell over 100,000 toys a quarter to even make it worthwhile to make a new toy line, but I might be way off. The main point is, it costs major cash just to set things up to make the toys so it's only worthwhile if they expect to sell in huge quantities.


No I realize this and I also realize that not all Bronies are confident enough with themselves to purchase such an emblem as a child's toy. I've wondered how it might appear, a straight male with a Rainbow Dash plush toy in their room, but I still believe enough people would buy it even if they might hide it from some people, they would still brag about it to others - and of course those that hide it would given the name Closet-Brony (because they might hide their toy in the closet, get it?).

Frankly, I admit I don't know enough about our Brony demographic as I've never attended a convention or done any research into how large we actually are, but I do think it would be fair to assume that those of us that can (and are willing/brave enough) to be publicly associated with it is a vastly smaller percentage of total Bronies (especially when the "Brony" demographic are generally a less outgoing people to begin with).

tl;dr - I don't know if we have enough people to warrant a toy line, but boy would I love to see it regardless (and given that we have already rendered the MLP creators speechless with the fact that we exist with our insane following, we might be worth a risk to see how little sense Bronies make).

better question, who doesn't want a rainbow dash plushie in their house?

i'd have like one in every major room

Only one?

It's not like Hasbro's target audience wouldn't buy plushies, so I don't know why they haven't made any. Stuffed animals are some of the most stereotypically girly things there are.


Hahaha, that's a good point.
Phant
Profile Joined August 2010
United States737 Posts
December 18 2011 08:33 GMT
#7217
I think Hasbro forgets that show accurate toys and plushies wouldn't sell only to the Brony audience, but also to the intended demographic as well.
Ventil
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden414 Posts
December 18 2011 08:55 GMT
#7218
Noticed that Xbox360 got youtube support.
Celebrated by watching like 8 episodes of MLP on my 55" TV.
Life couldn't be any sweeter.
Twitter: @VeNtiLSC
Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
December 18 2011 10:47 GMT
#7219
On December 18 2011 14:42 julianto wrote:
The fact that the three tribes were fighting each other reminded of the three races in Starcraft.
I can just imagine a brony version of Starcraft.
Earth - Terran
Unicorn - Protoss
Pegasus - Zerg



Well, according to the MC server you are switching terran and zerg, because Pegasus is so OP and Earth ponies are just starting to get actual abilities.

As for the episode:

+ Show Spoiler +
I really liked it up until the last 4 minutes. It was hilarious and Pinkie Pie was so Pinkie Pie. The Derp watch was fun and the overall history was pretty interesting. The 'herp derp lets all be friends' thing was kind of annoying...but they've defeated two demi-gods with friendship before so its not totally outlandish. I just wish they would get back to the regular episodes. The season started out REALLY strong and it has slowed down a little bit.
http://i.imgur.com/IPxgv.png
Yazor
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland30 Posts
December 18 2011 11:12 GMT
#7220
my thoughts about Hearth's Warming Eve episode
+ Show Spoiler +
I liked the episode maybe that snowball which was thrown at Rarity was for real
when Derpy was shown I was thinking that I would pay to see a Derpy episode it was funny :p
lol
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