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Lynda
649 Posts
I think this episode is definitely the best episode so far for introducing new people to the show. after episode 2 airs, it'll probably be even more so the best introductory episode so far, due to no other reason than the cliffhanger itself (who would've thought that the cliffhanger might have some good use as well besides trolling us painfully for an entire week) | ||
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RageOverdose
United States690 Posts
On September 20 2011 00:58 Zephirdd wrote: Unicorns: Intellectual/Royal/Noble related Pegasi: Nature related Earth Ponies: "low-category" type of jobs(Working in a candy shop? Farmer?) I don't know if this was intended or not, but there clearly is a kind of hierarchy around ponies. I don't think there's even a hierarchy. See: Applejack's family in Manehattan, the fashion elite are Earth Ponies, and the fact that a lot of Pegasi are just factory workers. | ||
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Gary Oak
Canada2381 Posts
On September 20 2011 00:45 Bash wrote: Pinkie Pie lives above Sugarcube Corner and at least every now and then helps the owners with the sweets, if not a full-time employee. Also more pointless speculation + Show Spoiler + I watched the new episode again and everything seems to hint that Celestia and Luna turned the other ponies wielding the Elements of Harmony to stone (and they can be seen in the garden, I felt like the camera lingers a little too long in that one position when the 4 distinct pony statues are visible). This would explain why they're "no longer connected to the elements" as Celestia says, and while Discord's jabs at the princess ("I don't turn ponies into stone") don't necessarily mean she turns PONIES into stone, it does fall into the whole thing pretty nicely. Admittedly the whole idea is fueled by the fanon that Celestia is nothing but a tyrant, and honestly is probably a wee bit complicated a plot for this sort of show but hey it's a fun thought to hang on to until next Saturday. Oh and I'm sure someone thought of this already before me but oh well... + Show Spoiler + If it was Celestia, Luna, and 4 other ponies that used the elements to defeat Discord, then I don't think she turned them to stone. Ponies are mortal and will die of old age, where it seems that the only way an Alicorn dies is if it is slain. I'm assuming that the whole "turn ponies to stone" line is just Discord referring to the fact that she turned him to stone and nothing else. I think that all Discord "turns ponies into" is basically whatever type of chaotic evil suits him (like he did in episode 1), but that's just me. | ||
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m00nchile
Slovenia240 Posts
On September 20 2011 02:28 RageOverdose wrote: I don't think there's even a hierarchy. See: Applejack's family in Manehattan, the fashion elite are Earth Ponies, and the fact that a lot of Pegasi are just factory workers. All good points, but the example that drives it home is prince Blueblood, no horn, no wings. Also, weren't most ponies attending the grand galloping gala earthponies too? | ||
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Zoundsforsook
Scotland636 Posts
Ponies attending the gala were all kinds I believe, just whatever the animators wanted to place at random I suppose :p | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
I guess my theory was blown, damn I didnt remember the Oranges nor about the fashion elite  Would be great if there was a hierarchy of that type. Also, I like to consider that Earthlings(as they are called on MLP-TheMovie 1986 LOL) have a much stronger body structure than Unicorn or Pegasi, to account for their lack of wings or magic. | ||
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Tuthur
France985 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:43 Zephirdd wrote: Also, I like to consider that Earthlings(as they are called on MLP-TheMovie 1986 LOL) have a much stronger body structure than Unicorn or Pegasi, to account for their lack of wings or magic. Yes, most likely, that is why I think Rainbow Dash beating Applejack at arm wrestling is BS | ||
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Bash
Finland1533 Posts
Makes sense though, I think the common mistake here has been imposing human frame of reference on Equestria. Just because being able to fly/do magic is more exotic to us, in a world where those skills are commonplace there isn't really any reason to consider being able to control the weather to be a more valuable ability than growing crops, for example. | ||
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OMGIllithan
United States101 Posts
On September 20 2011 02:16 TheRealPaciFist wrote: + Show Spoiler [Applejack] + Yeah, way back when I saw episodes 7 and 1-2, I thought honesty made sense for AJ, but I didn't know her as well back then. I agree it feels forced; she's lied before, even to herself, sometimes out of pride or sometimes out of consideration for other's feelings. I'll suggest it again: maybe RD should've had honesty (look how bad she is at detecting lies! ;p) and AJ loyalty, because loyalty can be tied with duty I think, and she's definitely dutiful to her friends, family, and even career (go apples!) Huh, interesting... I never thought much about it when AJ lied to pinkie pie but it makes sense. Though each of the mane 6 are flawed in their own ways so maybe being bearers of the elements doesn't necessarily make them perfect representations. Also I don't think pride can be directly related to being dishonest. Anypony who has had a breakdown tended to exibit the opposite behavior from what was expected from their personality. I can't think of any other episode where she lied to herself or others except for the episode where she overworks herself (though I haven't rewatched them since the first time so correct me if I'm wrong). Regardless its an interesting catch. | ||
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:05 Gary Oak wrote: + Show Spoiler + If it was Celestia, Luna, and 4 other ponies that used the elements to defeat Discord, then I don't think she turned them to stone. Ponies are mortal and will die of old age, where it seems that the only way an Alicorn dies is if it is slain. I'm assuming that the whole "turn ponies to stone" line is just Discord referring to the fact that she turned him to stone and nothing else. I think that all Discord "turns ponies into" is basically whatever type of chaotic evil suits him (like he did in episode 1), but that's just me. + Show Spoiler [stone] + Discord's petrification either (a) leaves his mind intact, which means he has to suffer the boredom of an inactive 1000 years or (b) he's unconscious, basically dead really, until the petrification is reverted or I suppose (c) he's dreaming Option (a) is just plain torture. I'm going to assume that option (a) is not what occurred. So, from Discord's point of view, even holding with options (b) or (c), turning somebody to stone is infinitely worse than anything Discord does. He might turn some people evil, he might mess with people, he might make their lives full of hurt as a side effect to his chaotic antics... but at least they're alive and (arguably) free to live (do the vilified ponies still have free will? That remains to see in episode 2, I guess). For a guy who's spent the last 1000 years petrified, Discord is actually remarkably composed. Even if he was unconscious during most of that time (making it feel like no time has passed at all), I know I'd be irked at having missed a 1000 years of history and bloody potential life! Maybe the joy of being freed is balancing out his hate for Celestia; maybe him being a longer-lived creature anyway is mitigating the irk. And yeah, irk can actually be used as a noun like that. Cool. + Show Spoiler [earth ponies] + Why would they be stronger than unicorns or pegasi? Yeah it sucks that they don't have wings or horns, but hey, that's life. Also I don't think pegasi are any lighter than regular ponies; until somebody comes along with a more interesting theory, I just hold that their flight comes from magic, a different type of magic than the horns because they come from the wings. | ||
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Special Endrey
Germany1929 Posts
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m00nchile
Slovenia240 Posts
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rezzan
Sweden329 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
More to the topic: Today I've learned something about English teachers across the world (literature and stuff, not the language itself). If you really like something, you'll find all sorts of little details that probably were never even intended! =) | ||
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Frigo
Hungary1023 Posts
Also started reading Past Sins, will take a while with the hyperactive way I read text. On September 20 2011 06:19 rezzan wrote: theres so much homosexual people in this thread. User was temp banned for this post. I especially enjoyed reporting this one with "theres so much banned people in this thread" as the reason. | ||
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DuB phool
United States1003 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Also - I'll admit that I felt strangely proud that Fluttershy was able to completely resist Discord. She's the only one he gave up on corrupting the roundabout way. Go Fluttershy! | ||
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Uvantak
Uruguay1381 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:21 McFeser wrote: This in depth pony plot discussion is awesome. Just keep in mind that AJ is the best. You silly that's not how you spell Spitfire. And something i just steal from Oat ^^ http://www.discodiscord.com/v/_Vj092UgKwQ/125 That page it's awesome, here's a bunch more /)^3^(\ http://www.ponychan.net/chan/oat/res/36797566.html | ||
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Gary Oak
Canada2381 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:05 Special Endrey wrote: I am demanding more cute pony pictures - right now. Okay. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/2431/1316283055002.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7295/1316282734456.png) ![[image loading]](http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4171/1315814998487.png) ![[image loading]](http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2074/1316283364480.png) ![[image loading]](http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/3535/1315221656707.jpg) You're welcome. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:00 TheRealPaciFist wrote: + Show Spoiler [stone] + Discord's petrification either (a) leaves his mind intact, which means he has to suffer the boredom of an inactive 1000 years or (b) he's unconscious, basically dead really, until the petrification is reverted or I suppose (c) he's dreaming Option (a) is just plain torture. I'm going to assume that option (a) is not what occurred. So, from Discord's point of view, even holding with options (b) or (c), turning somebody to stone is infinitely worse than anything Discord does. He might turn some people evil, he might mess with people, he might make their lives full of hurt as a side effect to his chaotic antics... but at least they're alive and (arguably) free to live (do the vilified ponies still have free will? That remains to see in episode 2, I guess). For a guy who's spent the last 1000 years petrified, Discord is actually remarkably composed. Even if he was unconscious during most of that time (making it feel like no time has passed at all), I know I'd be irked at having missed a 1000 years of history and bloody potential life! Maybe the joy of being freed is balancing out his hate for Celestia; maybe him being a longer-lived creature anyway is mitigating the irk. And yeah, irk can actually be used as a noun like that. Cool. + Show Spoiler [earth ponies] + Why would they be stronger than unicorns or pegasi? Yeah it sucks that they don't have wings or horns, but hey, that's life. Also I don't think pegasi are any lighter than regular ponies; until somebody comes along with a more interesting theory, I just hold that their flight comes from magic, a different type of magic than the horns because they come from the wings. Earth Ponies would be stronger through nature itself. Since they have no magic to levitate objects, nor wings to aid them when traveling, it would just be natural that they have a stronger body structure. Take Rainbow Dash vs Applejack: RD is an athlete that trains every day dreaming with the Wonderbolts, so she also has a body as strong as the body of an Earthling, even beating AJ on an armwrestling fight. Applejack however proved to have a much stronger back-body structure with her bucking abilities(bucking half a farm of trees should be a good training, right?). Also, according to LF, in a world where flying and magic are about as common as earth abilities(animal caretaking, understanding of flora, food culture etc), Earth Ponies are specialist on Earth itself. Heck, the Pie family is made of geoculturists, after all. Also, Fluttershy is more of an Earthling than a Pegasus, and IIRC that was the original idea for her. | ||
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