EPTOther than that, can anyone explain me what's wrong with Walt going home to get 25k to give to that woman? If he had broken bad why didn't he just threatened her, or bitchslap her or pointed a gun at her... I thought that was off.
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
Other than that, can anyone explain me what's wrong with Walt going home to get 25k to give to that woman? If he had broken bad why didn't he just threatened her, or bitchslap her or pointed a gun at her... I thought that was off. | ||
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Reuental
United States457 Posts
On October 11 2011 02:39 Tschis wrote: I liked the scene of Gus' death because it made him look BAD ASS, which eh is. But it was cheesy as hell. Other than that, can anyone explain me what's wrong with Walt going home to get 25k to give to that woman? If he had broken bad why didn't he just threatened her, or bitchslap her or pointed a gun at her... I thought that was off. He is still under the delusion that he is doing the right thing. He doesn't do evil things too people he believes doesn't deserve it. | ||
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NiSash
Germany9 Posts
When Gus goes to the hospital and Jesse tells him the Kid was poisoned he obviously knows that it gotta be Walter because he did not do it. Trying to use Jesse faith in himself("No way Walter would do this") to put him up against Gus. That`s when Gus got suspicous and didn`t get into his car(I mean jeez he is motherfuckin cartelboss you fear for your life like everyday and do weird things then) I thought that the poisoning was random, because Gus had no reason to do and Walter would not do it(Everyone who says they saw the plant before and knew it .. you gotta be kidding me you knew the flower and it`s effects instantly?Yeah sure). Gus wanted to kill Hector anyways, he hated him, that`s what Walter used, he knew that Gus would want to do it himself. I loved how Hector suddenly looked him into the eyes and tried to get the bomb get off. But the ending was so cheesy, walking out like the Terminator with half a face, really? I would`ve loved a cliffhanger like not saying how much persons died in the explosion or something or seeing gus trying to run so people might think that he made it. Also pretty bad was that the other guy went into the room and checked everything and didn`t see the bomb which was like super visible... | ||
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NutCase
United Kingdom51 Posts
I think most had figured out it was Walt that poisoned the boy, just there were too many who wouldn't believe it. I was sceptical it was Walt and kept an open mind because I knew how the writers love to plot twist, but with a lot of observations the evidence of it being Walt was quite strong. It had to either be Walt or sheer coincidence, I knew there was no way it could be Gus after the 4x12 "inside the episode" had Giancarlo Esposito explicitly saying out of character that Gus "had no idea the boy had been poisoned". That last shot of the episode was pretty definitive to. I like the way they wrapped this season up (remember there were tough negotiations with AMC, hence why it felt like an ending), they have so many angles they can branch off to in season 5 - Mike, and his stake in Gus' empire - The Madrigal Electromotive GmbH references, someone bigger behind Gus? - The Chilean angle and also the aftermath of don Eladio's (sp?) death. - Investigation into Gus by the DEA, camera footage on the laptop of the lab etc Some interesting comments from Vince Gilligan to by the way: "Q - And yet the show this season started to flesh out Gus’s back story, though it didn’t do so completely. Are there threads you might come back to later, or was that a deliberate choice to leave some things about him ambiguous? A - Right on both counts. We may come back to it in the future. As I told Giancarlo Esposito, and I told him a few months ahead of time what we were planning for the end of the season, I was very apologetic that we were going to lose his character. But I also hastened to point out that even though characters may die on “Breaking Bad,” they don’t necessarily rest in peace. In other words, we flash back in time quite often on this show, and we revisit old characters who have already met their demise. And because of that, who knows? We may well see Gustavo Fring again in the future. Q - I have to say that this season finale almost felt like a series finale, with all of the story lines that it appears to wrap up. Was that by design? A - That is on purpose. We weren’t sure that we would have a fifth season when we were plotting out the end of Season 4. So we wanted to make the end of Season 4 as satisfying and as complete as possible, not knowing what the future would hold. Having said that, there are a couple of big, outstanding questions still in play. But I agree with you, if the show had not gone on past the end of Season 4 – although I’m very happy to say that it indeed will – but if it weren’t to go forward, I think I could be satisfied on some level, by that episode. I love how this season panned out and cannot wait for the final season. I am definitely going to rewatch all 4 seasons again before summer next year, especially to see how many subtle hints and messages are in there. | ||
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Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
On October 11 2011 02:51 NiSash wrote: You guys gotta see the whole picture not only single episodes: When Gus goes to the hospital and Jesse tells him the Kid was poisoned he obviously knows that it gotta be Walter because he did not do it. Trying to use Jesse faith in himself("No way Walter would do this") to put him up against Gus. That`s when Gus got suspicous and didn`t get into his car(I mean jeez he is motherfuckin cartelboss you fear for your life like everyday and do weird things then) I thought that the poisoning was random, because Gus had no reason to do and Walter would not do it(Everyone who says they saw the plant before and knew it .. you gotta be kidding me you knew the flower and it`s effects instantly?Yeah sure). Gus wanted to kill Hector anyways, he hated him, that`s what Walter used, he knew that Gus would want to do it himself. I loved how Hector suddenly looked him into the eyes and tried to get the bomb get off. But the ending was so cheesy, walking out like the Terminator with half a face, really? I would`ve loved a cliffhanger like not saying how much persons died in the explosion or something or seeing gus trying to run so people might think that he made it. Also pretty bad was that the other guy went into the room and checked everything and didn`t see the bomb which was like super visible... I agree mostly with this except possibly the last point about the bomb. The room was checked prior to the arrival which would imply overcautiousness to check once again only moments later -- though this wouldn't be out of character for Gus, I suppose. I do feel the way Gus was shown to die was a bit cheesey but the moment I saw him leave the room definitely had my heart in my throat. It achieved what it was set to do. I feel the last scene showing the flower was a bit unecessary. I thought it was quite clear that the only person who could have poisoned the child was Walt after Jesse explained a specific strand of refined poison. Walt has shown proficiency in this area many times before and I would have liked the idea of speculation rather than explaining it to the audience. Overall I'm very happy with this show. I was introduced to it about a month ago and have plowed through the show incredibly quickly. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On October 11 2011 02:54 NutCase wrote: + Show Spoiler + I called bullshit on that photo of Gus' face just over a week ago, now I eat my own words. That would be my only criticism of the show in it's 4 season run so far. It was done well but was a bit too far-fetched, they could have easily achieved the same sense of shock to the viewer with a zooming shot to his body that pans round and shows half his head missing. Especially considering Tio was now shown to be in a million pieces and the viewer assumes Tyrus was to. Then again, I suppose this ties in with a lot of the symbolism in the show, to show how strong Gus was as a person, and also to create that brief "WTF" moment that he possibly didn't die. I think most had figured out it was Walt that poisoned the boy, just there were too many who wouldn't believe it. I was sceptical it was Walt and kept an open mind because I knew how the writers love to plot twist, but with a lot of observations the evidence of it being Walt was quite strong. It had to either be Walt or sheer coincidence, I knew there was no way it could be Gus after the 4x12 "inside the episode" had Giancarlo Esposito explicitly saying out of character that Gus "had no idea the boy had been poisoned". That last shot of the episode was pretty definitive to. I like the way they wrapped this season up (remember there were tough negotiations with AMC, hence why it felt like an ending), they have so many angles they can branch off to in season 5 - Mike, and his stake in Gus' empire - The Madrigal Electromotive GmbH references, someone bigger behind Gus? - The Chilean angle and also the aftermath of don Eladio's (sp?) death. - Investigation into Gus by the DEA, camera footage on the laptop of the lab etc Some interesting comments from Vince Gilligan to by the way: "Q - And yet the show this season started to flesh out Gus’s back story, though it didn’t do so completely. Are there threads you might come back to later, or was that a deliberate choice to leave some things about him ambiguous? A - Right on both counts. We may come back to it in the future. As I told Giancarlo Esposito, and I told him a few months ahead of time what we were planning for the end of the season, I was very apologetic that we were going to lose his character. But I also hastened to point out that even though characters may die on “Breaking Bad,” they don’t necessarily rest in peace. In other words, we flash back in time quite often on this show, and we revisit old characters who have already met their demise. And because of that, who knows? We may well see Gustavo Fring again in the future. Q - I have to say that this season finale almost felt like a series finale, with all of the story lines that it appears to wrap up. Was that by design? A - That is on purpose. We weren’t sure that we would have a fifth season when we were plotting out the end of Season 4. So we wanted to make the end of Season 4 as satisfying and as complete as possible, not knowing what the future would hold. Having said that, there are a couple of big, outstanding questions still in play. But I agree with you, if the show had not gone on past the end of Season 4 – although I’m very happy to say that it indeed will – but if it weren’t to go forward, I think I could be satisfied on some level, by that episode. I love how this season panned out and cannot wait for the final season. I am definitely going to rewatch all 4 seasons again before summer next year, especially to see how many subtle hints and messages are in there Could you share the link to this Q&A? Thanks btw. The last question kinda scares me a bit. | ||
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NutCase
United Kingdom51 Posts
On October 11 2011 03:01 Grettin wrote: Could you share the link to this Q&A? Thanks btw. The last question kinda scares me a bit. http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/09/vince-gilligan-of-breaking-bad-talks-about-ending-the-season-and-the-series/ There is going to be a 16 episode season 5 by the way, the s4 finale was just done that way in case they didn't get to. | ||
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stk01001
United States786 Posts
On October 11 2011 03:00 Jarvs wrote: I agree mostly with this except possibly the last point about the bomb. The room was checked prior to the arrival which would imply overcautiousness to check once again only moments later -- though this wouldn't be out of character for Gus, I suppose. I do feel the way Gus was shown to die was a bit cheesey but the moment I saw him leave the room definitely had my heart in my throat. It achieved what it was set to do. I feel the last scene showing the flower was a bit unecessary. I thought it was quite clear that the only person who could have poisoned the child was Walt after Jesse explained a specific strand of refined poison. Walt has shown proficiency in this area many times before and I would have liked the idea of speculation rather than explaining it to the audience. Overall I'm very happy with this show. I was introduced to it about a month ago and have plowed through the show incredibly quickly. I disagree. the last scene with the flower was totally necessary... why would they leave that open to speculation.. it's a huge part of the plot.. | ||
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
On October 11 2011 02:49 Reuental wrote: He is still under the delusion that he is doing the right thing. He doesn't do evil things too people he believes doesn't deserve it. 2 minutes later he calls her innocent neighbour to go into his house, putting her life in danger. Also, did anyone else notice how Walter's eyes were really black when he was in the rooftop waiting to blowup Gus, but then in this episode, he's almost normal? | ||
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Pyskee
United States620 Posts
On October 04 2011 13:17 yakitate304 wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i52.tinypic.com/2lkbgnc.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.bigdipperfarm.com/images/big_dipper/th_203-017.jpg) I saw this on another forum. When Walt spins the gun the third time it points away from him, specifically at that white plant. It seems to be White Monkshood (Aconitum), which is toxic. "Marked symptoms may appear almost immediately, usually not later than one hour, and "with large doses death is almost instantaneous." Death usually occurs within 2 to 6 hours in fatal poisoning (20 to 40 mL of tincture may prove fatal).[13] The initial signs are gastrointestinal including nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. There is followed by a sensation of burning, tingling, and numbness in the mouth and face, and of burning in the abdomen. In severe poisonings pronounced motor weakness occurs and cutaneous sensations of tingling and numbness spread to the limbs. Cardiovascular features include hypotension, bradycardia, sinus tachycardia, and ventricular arrhythmias. Other features may include sweating, dizziness, difficulty in breathing, headache, and confusion. The main causes of death are ventricular arrhythmias and asystole, paralysis of the heart or of the respiratory center.[14][13] The only post-mortem signs are those of asphyxia." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aconitum#Toxicology The bolded part sounds like initial flu symptoms. That being said, if he poisons Brock with the plant, why is the Ricin Cig missing? This guy... | ||
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Denmark1264 Posts
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France906 Posts
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Canada28 Posts
On October 11 2011 01:46 Mattes wrote: While that all are great shows all around they are not in the slightest comparable to "breaking bad", which is great because there is literally no show like it. "The wire" is awesome, no question there, but it lacks the suspense (like both other shows aswell) which makes breaking bad so unbelievably tense. "GoT" is pretty good aswell, even though as a book reader one has to come to the conclusion that its not close to "the best ever". "FNL" at last is one great social tv drama show, but its not even comparable in the slightest. I think the closest show to Breaking Bad in terms of structure and the level of suspense is The Shield. | ||
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Westy
England808 Posts
Only one thing bothered me. After the blast, Gus's face had been blown off, but his arm (If he had turned, which was indicated by his face) should of taken the majority of the blast, yet was almost unharmed (Apart from some small shrapnel wounds). Just seemed odd. | ||
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mr.reee
121 Posts
IMO, seasons 3 & 4 of Breaking Bad are up there with Seasons 2 & 4 of The Wire and with The Sopranos (can't pick a season...) | ||
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Pyskee
United States620 Posts
On October 11 2011 04:19 SpiffD wrote: Great episode. I agree the whole Gus part was a little cheesy, but also awesome. I wonder if the guy in the Pollos Hermanos car in the end was Mike? Mike did after all owe Jesse some help, after Jesse persuaded the doctors to also give badly wounded Mike some attention. Maybe Mike has always wanted to become a fast food chain owner? Pretty sure that was Gus's original car that had the bomb under it. When Gus thought something was fishy he left the car there and just never picked it up. Notice how he's driving a new car this episode? | ||
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
On October 11 2011 04:19 SpiffD wrote: Great episode. I agree the whole Gus part was a little cheesy, but also awesome. I wonder if the guy in the Pollos Hermanos car in the end was Mike? Mike did after all owe Jesse some help, after Jesse persuaded the doctors to also give badly wounded Mike some attention. Maybe Mike has always wanted to become a fast food chain owner? Are you sure there was someone there? I had the impression it was only a shot of the logo of Gus' shop | ||
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SpiffD
Denmark1264 Posts
I thought Walt was looking at someone, but maybe I'm just thinking too much into it. | ||
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leavemealone
Greece11 Posts
Meaning he stole jesse cigar ,poisoned the child AND planned this all along (sorry if some1 said it before me) | ||
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