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sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
October 05 2011 16:58 GMT
#1081
hehe always watching this online
quite good
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Razakel
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland466 Posts
October 05 2011 17:30 GMT
#1082
One thing a lot of you guys are forgetting.

Remember at the start of the episode when the DEA searches the laundry where the meth lab is raided? Then Gus calls Jesse and basically tells him Walt needs to die. Jesse refuses and asks Gus what he will do. Then Gus said... "There will be an... appropriate response". A few minutes later into the episode Jesse is rushing to the hospital and finds his 'lucky' cigarette is missing.

With this in mind I think Gus did it, no question. Is there anything else in the episode that Gus could possibly mean?
Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
October 05 2011 20:07 GMT
#1083
On October 06 2011 01:42 GefilteFish wrote:
If you are going to build a theory on the Inside Episode 412 video about Gus, you also have to take into account what Cranston says 'in character' about what Walt knows. At 2:15 he says something similar to in the episode "They send Jesse, which is brilliant, because I knew they'd send someone to kill me." This to me implies that Walt doesn't expect Jesse to come by, or even to have contact with him. Also, the maniacal laughing with a gun to your head doesn't seem like a premeditated reaction to try to convince someone you are not guilty. That seems totally in the moment, as if Walt is indeed just figuring it all out.

If you are going to form a theory based on one part of the clip, you can't just ignore the rest of it. Or you have to come up with something that includes both.

My thought: Someone is pitting Gus and Walt against each other. Jesse? Mike? Hector? Saul?


Yeah, Cranston did say that, but he wasn't really convincing to me. It was more like he was telling a story, so he just happened to say it that way. Also, I found that laugh to be really forced, different from the previous episode, when I actually thought he was crying in the beginning.

And Gus' actor actually was pretty serious while telling his side of the story, and it really pretty much sounded like Gus didn't know about it. Though I still feel like I saw a 0,00001% of a smile in his face when he heard the word poison.

I don't think that bodyguard could have swaped the cigarettes, and if this actually happens to be the answer, I'll feel really bad about the stupid plot device they choose to use.

But I do expect Walt to be guilty, considering what the writers have in mind for him (to turn him into a villain and see how far the public accepts and hopes for him)

"A coward is not someone that runs from a battle knowing he will lose. A coward is someone who challenges a weak knowing he will win."
MuhammadAllin
Profile Joined October 2011
United States9 Posts
October 05 2011 21:16 GMT
#1084
I really couldn't help it.
http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/10428563.jpg

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Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 00:26:28
October 06 2011 00:25 GMT
#1085
On October 05 2011 04:34 zalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:18 phyren wrote:
On October 04 2011 22:38 zalz wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:09 Basileus wrote:
I think when he was spinning the gun he was trying to decide whether to kill himself or not. I love this show!!! I think either Gus poisoned the kid or he is sick in some other way. Killing an innocent kid is too far for Walter IMO. Either Gus could be a genius for developing such an complex scheme or Walter has developed some serious paranoia. I am interested if they explain why Gus walked away from the car. Did he have a hunch? Or perhaps someone who tailed behind him and watched the car when he was in the hospital. Gus could have been mocking and challenging Walter by walking to that parking level, knowing there was a bomb, just like he stood in front of the cartel's sniper.


Gus learned that the kid had been poisoned, something he didn't know up to that point. Jesse told him in a bit of a *wink wink i know what you did motherfucker* way.

Gus however was suprised that the child had been poisoned.


As he walks back to his car he realises that it's all coming together too much. He knows he and Walt are gunning for each other and suddenly he has to go out of his way, out from his safehouse, to go to a hospital.

He realises that Walter poisoned the child (since he knows he didn't do it) and did it so that Jesse would stick around at the hospital and Gus would be forced to meet him there.

Walter went so far as to poison a child just to lure Gus to the hospital so Gus knows that Walter has to be planning something. He realises all this just before he steps into his car and decides to alter up his routine so he can avoid whatever Walt has planned. A car bomb isn't hard to make for someone like Walt.


The fact that Gus avoided the bomb supports that Walt poisoned the child. If Gus had poisoned the child then he would have known that all along and when Jesse told him that it wouldn't affect him in any way, there would be no reason to change up his routine because then he would have ended up at the hospital as a result of his own actions. But because Walt poisoned the child he realises he has been forced to the hospital by Walters actions.

If Gus poisoned the child then the only reason he avoided the car bomb would be because he is a prophet whom receives visions.


This last bit is not exactly true. If Gus did poison the kid, he still has reason to alter his behavior because Jesse has revealed his knowledge of the poisoning. Still, either Walt or Gus poisoning the kid in an attempt to manipulate Jesse in order to provoke such specific reactions from each other seems too much to me.



If Gus had poisoned the child then his entire goal would be that Jesse discovered it, just like if Walt poisoned the child then he too would want Jesse to learn of this.

If Jesse does not know that there was foul play then he has no reason to react against anyone, it would just make him occupied with something else.

If Gus poisoned the child and he learned that Jesse knew the child was poisoned then he would think "all according to plan". Everything would be going as he wanted and he would have gone to the hospital on his own accord.

The whole thing that makes Gus edgy is the fact that he realises he has been lured to the hospital by Walts actions. Walt has forced him towards the hospital and if someone wants to kill you and is luring you to a specific location then it's likely that that is the place where they are going to strike.

When Gus realised all that, it was just a matter of playing it smart by changing his routine, avoiding the logical paths where it was most likely that Walt would strike, like his car.
Based on how scrutinizing Gus has been in the past, I assume Gus knows Jesse and Walt met the previous night. If Gus did poison the child, he hoped Jesse would kill Walt that night.

The fact that Jesse visited the house and Walt is still alive should be enough to support the idea that Jesse and Walt might be working together again.
"Everyone worse than me at video games is a noob. Everyone better than me doesn't have a life."
TYJ.Aoy
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil1265 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 00:35:29
October 06 2011 00:27 GMT
#1086
There's a tiny possibility that Walt administered a small dose to draw Jesse's attention so that he could then try and convince him that it was Gus that had done it, but anything else like he not caring whether the kid winded up dead or not and turned into a full-blow villain is complete bogus, period.

Another thing, Gus didn't seem even the slightest bit surprised, his eyebrows didn't raise a single millimeter and he almost delineated a smirk(41:25).
OskO
Profile Joined February 2011
Argentina369 Posts
October 06 2011 00:53 GMT
#1087
Gus went back for some Doritos.

Seriously speaking, I think Walter did it, that revelation could very well be the "wow" moment just a second before the end of the season. I just hope that Huell had nothing to do with it, that would feel really cheap for the series standards.
Though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.
GuYuTe-
Profile Joined February 2005
United States550 Posts
October 06 2011 05:22 GMT
#1088
On October 06 2011 01:42 GefilteFish wrote:
If you are going to build a theory on the Inside Episode 412 video about Gus, you also have to take into account what Cranston says 'in character' about what Walt knows. At 2:15 he says something similar to in the episode "They send Jesse, which is brilliant, because I knew they'd send someone to kill me." This to me implies that Walt doesn't expect Jesse to come by, or even to have contact with him.


That's a good point and I agree that it will seem a bit cheap, but wouldn't disappoint me that much, if Huele swapped the cigs but is somewhat believable. We'll see.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 06 2011 05:32 GMT
#1089
Well the writers say we find out what happens to the kid in the finale so we only have to wait a few days
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 05:37:31
October 06 2011 05:36 GMT
#1090
If you guys go back and watch, you can see saul's bodyguard take the cigs out of jesse's pocket and put them in his own.

18:40 into the episode
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 05:55:10
October 06 2011 05:52 GMT
#1091
On October 06 2011 14:36 SiguR wrote:
If you guys go back and watch, you can see saul's bodyguard take the cigs out of jesse's pocket and put them in his own.

18:40 into the episode

So then how does a different pack get back into his pocket? Or he opens up his cig pack and manages to snag just the right one? Those are some crazy skills :|
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Whiteman103
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1070 Posts
October 06 2011 11:06 GMT
#1092
On October 03 2011 16:16 David451 wrote:
I think I know the "big reveal" for the season finale.

Walt is the show's big villain.

Details in this show matter, right?

Why would the show take so much conspicuous effort to show Jesse getting patted down by "A-Team" Huele? That was dragged on way longer than necessary, imo. Also strange that Saul was so insistent with his voicemails just to give Jesse some money, right before riding off into the sunset.

Everyone is asking how Gus knew not to get into his car. Why was his mind racing after meeting with Jesse? People are assuming it is because Gus is somehow omnipotent. But it all makes more sense if Gus did not poison Brock. Finding out about the poison certainly seemed to be a genuine surprise to him, and would give cause to his strange behavior in the parking lot.

Who had the strongest motive to aggravate Jesse? Walt did. Walt was under the threat of his entire family being killed.

Who was the only person other than Jesse who knew about the ricin? Walt. Sure, you say Gus knew, but then why was that never ever hinted at during this season? It's too pat for Gus to know without one shred of foreshadowing. Too pat for a show like this.

Hell, just listen to Walt's insane "Joker" laugh. Is that a coincidence? Or maybe it's foreshadowing that Walt is really, truly, breaking bad.

The title of the final episode is "Face Off". What if that doesn't just refer to a guns-blazing battle at Hank's place. What if it's referring to Walt's mask of humanity finally coming off?

The producers have hinted at a terrifying conclusion to this season. Gus dying would not be terrifying, in fact it would likely have people cheering. What would be more terrifying than finding out Walt poisoned the child?

Season 3 ends with Jesse killing an innocent. What would be more "book end" than Walt revealing to Jesse that he poisoned the baby to protect his family... and then killing Jesse. I'm getting chills just writing this.

Until next week.


WOW this sounds so right, shit.

OMFG i just cant say how much i hope this isnt right just because i will have been complety spoiled here.

would have been a sick good cliffhanger but i think this is right and now hope to god its not it.
b0ngt0ss
Profile Joined July 2011
259 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 11:10:12
October 06 2011 11:09 GMT
#1093
Here are some thoughts that lean towards Walt being the dude who poisons the kid:

- Everything Jesse says to Walt whilst he is pointing a gun at him is true?

- Jesse immediately suspects Walter when he hears the kid's mom say he was fine in the morning.
What happened that morning of the episode:

- Walt does not show up for the cook, 2 DEA agents search the laundromat with a drug dog because Hank pressures/manipulates them to.

- Whilst the DEA agents are searching Jesse and the black dude are pinned down and Walter knows that Gus is in his safe-house, making Walt free to do what he wishes without worrying about a tail...i.e. - poisoning kid.

- Saul called and left Jesse 6 voice-mails saying he needed him to come over and as soon as he does he is padded down,,,this is where he gets pick-pocketed? Saul is faced to choose sides after he hears what happened to Walt in the desert and chooses Walt's side.

I think the whole scene with Gus proves Walt poisoned kid... Gus thinks about all the events that occurred that day and figures out he was setup...possible giveaway being the way Jesse says the kid was poisoned..Gus steps closer to Jesse to get a better read on him...puts out his hands and Jesse flinches....

Or maybe the kid has the flu and Gus is a mind-reader.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
October 08 2011 12:11 GMT
#1094
so excited!!! MUST WATCH IT!!

Also...



fuck, so good Y_Y
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 08 2011 12:14 GMT
#1095
Skyler's acting in that is pretty good too. Worth mentioning because of all the hate she gets
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
October 08 2011 12:26 GMT
#1096
Haha still kind of found her annoying in that scene though, but I guess its in a good way :D



Hype!!!
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leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
October 08 2011 12:34 GMT
#1097
On October 08 2011 21:26 Beyonder wrote:
Haha still kind of found her annoying in that scene though, but I guess its in a good way :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwzDqN7foyI&feature=related

Hype!!!


HAHAHAHA! Hype!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Corvi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany1406 Posts
October 08 2011 12:39 GMT
#1098
yea, ted's death was a little cheap. the writers probably hated that plotline as well.
Resent
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia938 Posts
October 09 2011 04:40 GMT
#1099
Reminds me of Gonzo's death.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
October 09 2011 06:21 GMT
#1100
Remember Jesse playing that Rage game?

i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
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