EPTBut it's so pretty, the writing size is bigger, maps are nicer...
As for DwD,
Eishi_Ki is absolutely right. There coudl have been a battle and some characters could have escaped rather than faught. Or something.
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
But it's so pretty, the writing size is bigger, maps are nicer... As for DwD, Eishi_Ki is absolutely right. There coudl have been a battle and some characters could have escaped rather than faught. Or something. | ||
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
 does anyone know whats the best forum for a song of ice and fire ? | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/ Or here, I guess. It's completely about ASOIAF, and they have 'Still Reading' sections so you can discuss GoT with others who have only read GoT. ;P | ||
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
On August 17 2011 04:34 unsmart wrote: Rickon is hiding on Skagos. At the end of the Davos chapter he says he'd rather stay in the prison he was at than go to a place that still practices cannibalism. also , skagos is misteriously mentioned in one of the next chapters... a place that had been named like only once in the other books xD .. also its pretty obvious also , victarion is awesome.. i found the iron island chapters boring (book 3 and 4 i think..) but he´s where so cool | ||
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Lomak
United States311 Posts
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
Thats all in book 5. | ||
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
On September 09 2011 08:50 Drowsy wrote: Who are the main POV characters in book 5? I'm just starting 4 now and I am sorely disappointed to see 0 Jon chapters.... ill put it in spoilers , but wont spoil the actual content of the books just a format issue + Show Spoiler + books 4 and 5 take place almost simoultaniously (mm pretty sure i didnt spell that rigth )so , in book 5 you get to know what happened to all the characters that didnt get any chapters,and the 2nd half of book 5 , advances a little bit the timeline for most of the characters | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
On September 09 2011 09:19 Carras wrote: ill put it in spoilers , but wont spoil the actual content of the books just a format issue + Show Spoiler + books 4 and 5 take place almost simoultaniously (mm pretty sure i didnt spell that rigth )so , in book 5 you get to know what happened to all the characters that didnt get any chapters,and the 2nd half of book 5 , advances a little bit the timeline for most of the characters Which is to say: AFFC: Brienne Jamie Cercei Arya Probably more I forgot ADWD: Jon Tyion Dany Bran Theon Barriston Probably more I forgot Until ADWD reaches the same time where FFC ended, and then it continues and adds some characters from AFFC and continues the story. (sort of.) | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
I loled. Mostly because the author extrapolates so much about George RR Martin's beliefs solely from a fictional story he's told (though he has often explicity espoused exactly the opposite of the things she accuses him of) | ||
Falling
Canada11509 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Yes, rape was very common in Medieval Europe! Just like polytheism, tall stature, werewolves, and zombies. Oh, snap, turns out those are all humongous deviations from fact! In fact, you could argue that failing to include the presence of the Catholic Church, or some fantasy equivalent thereof, is a WAY bigger deviation from reality than, say, not including rape scenes; the Catholic Church was a central force — if not the central force — in determining the culture and values of Medieval Europe, far more powerful than any king. Without the Church’s views on women and sex, the Church’s cosmology and moral authority, the Church’s monopoly on art, literature, literacy and most forms of higher education, and the Church’s vision of God as a single, male, omnipotent deity at the head of a cosmic hierarchy (with Earthly authority envisioned as an imitation or reflection of that order: God as King/Father of the world, King as God/Father to his people, Father as God/King to his family), Medieval European culture as we know it simply would not exist. And yet, in Westeros? They’re polytheists who worship some female gods, Septons and Maesters both have access to institutional education, and the Septons have less power than Kings. Which is a long, roundabout way of saying this: We know that George R. R. Martin is perfectly fine with changing some major elements of Medieval reality to suit his specific purposes. Therefore, the elements of it that he has chosen to include are also chosen to suit his specific purposes. What are those purposes, when it comes to including normalized/eroticized pedophilia, rape, and domestic abuse? I’ve argued for one answer. You’re free to argue for the other. But “because it happened in Medieval Europe” is not the answer. Westeros is not Medieval Europe. And it never was. The other part that was interesting was that 'gritty' simply turns into sexual violence and eroticized sexual violence at that. | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
Arya is being taken away to safety by the Night’s Watch. It doesn’t work out. She gets kidnapped! She escapes! She runs away! She gets kidnapped! She escapes! She runs away! There’s an interlude of particularly gratuitous rape-threatening. Then she gets kidnapped! WILL SHE ESCAPE? Yes! Other likely events include: Running away! You guys, Arya will be fine. I lol'd at this. When you put it that way, it's not very exciting. She did leave out 'Begins training to be a Jedi Master' though. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:16 Crazyeyes wrote: I lol'd at this. When you put it that way, it's not very exciting. She did leave out 'Begins training to be a Jedi Master' though. yeah, i had that feeling too. Though i was satisfied when she got to Braavos | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
Oh and btw, King Geoffrey, knock knock. Who's th- + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/a1ZES.gif) | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On September 09 2011 12:03 Falling wrote: That was actually an interesting read. I agree that one should be cautious extrapolating authorial beliefs from their books. However, this quote, particularly the bolded part brings up a good point about authorial choice when they're creating their secondary world. + Show Spoiler + Yes, rape was very common in Medieval Europe! Just like polytheism, tall stature, werewolves, and zombies. Oh, snap, turns out those are all humongous deviations from fact! In fact, you could argue that failing to include the presence of the Catholic Church, or some fantasy equivalent thereof, is a WAY bigger deviation from reality than, say, not including rape scenes; the Catholic Church was a central force — if not the central force — in determining the culture and values of Medieval Europe, far more powerful than any king. Without the Church’s views on women and sex, the Church’s cosmology and moral authority, the Church’s monopoly on art, literature, literacy and most forms of higher education, and the Church’s vision of God as a single, male, omnipotent deity at the head of a cosmic hierarchy (with Earthly authority envisioned as an imitation or reflection of that order: God as King/Father of the world, King as God/Father to his people, Father as God/King to his family), Medieval European culture as we know it simply would not exist. And yet, in Westeros? They’re polytheists who worship some female gods, Septons and Maesters both have access to institutional education, and the Septons have less power than Kings. Which is a long, roundabout way of saying this: We know that George R. R. Martin is perfectly fine with changing some major elements of Medieval reality to suit his specific purposes. Therefore, the elements of it that he has chosen to include are also chosen to suit his specific purposes. What are those purposes, when it comes to including normalized/eroticized pedophilia, rape, and domestic abuse? I’ve argued for one answer. You’re free to argue for the other. But “because it happened in Medieval Europe” is not the answer. Westeros is not Medieval Europe. And it never was. The other part that was interesting was that 'gritty' simply turns into sexual violence and eroticized sexual violence at that. I do remember Martin saying he wished he had aged all of the children characters. I'm guessing a large part of this was because of the fact that they're depicted in very sexual manners. Yeah, some of the descriptions were especially un-necessary. Just saying it happened vs going into disgusting details are two different things. I remember Tyrion and Shae and Cersei/Jaime had some particularly gratuitous and graphic descriptions that made me a little queezy. And I also remember like 20 pages of people talking about raping Brienne and all sorts of un-necessary details. Still, I don't think this makes Martin some sort of rape advocate misogynist pedophile who wants to give young girls canceraids. The blogger is clearly overreacting a little bit. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On September 10 2011 13:01 Warrior Madness wrote: Just finished the series. Of course the tv adaptation doesn't live up to the book but how can it when it only has 10 hours to tell a 40 hour story. I still enjoyed the tv show and I probably would've enjoyed it more if I didn't know all the twists that would unfurl. I think I might've enjoyed it more than the last Dexter season. Oh and btw, King Geoffrey, knock knock. Who's th- + Show Spoiler + I really think the TV series really did live up to the book, or got very close at worst. I feel like they could easily condense season 2 into 10 episodes or even less. Season 3 seems like it would take at least 15 and upwards of 20. | ||
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
On September 09 2011 10:57 Drowsy wrote: Some ASOIAF H8: http://tigerbeatdown.com/2011/08/26/enter-ye-myne-mystic-world-of-gayng-raype-what-the-r-stands-for-in-george-r-r-martin/ I loled. Mostly because the author extrapolates so much about George RR Martin's beliefs solely from a fictional story he's told (though he has often explicity espoused exactly the opposite of the things she accuses him of) Here is a good response to that post. http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2011/08/29/305723/feminist-media-criticism-george-r-r-martins-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-and-that-sady-doyle-piece/ | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On September 14 2011 17:35 Maginor wrote: Here is a good response to that post. http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2011/08/29/305723/feminist-media-criticism-george-r-r-martins-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-and-that-sady-doyle-piece/ Nice find, this part I think rings especially true: "It strikes me as oddly myopic to read a novel where literally every character makes grave strategic miscalculations as arguing that women’s bad decisions are caused by their lady bits. What’s interesting about A Song of Ice and Fire is that it depicts a world where norms and rules of engagement are shifting, rendering outcomes unpredictable for men and women alike. There is no man who seems like a more gifted rule or powerful strategic thinker than any given woman in Westeros or Essos, except perhaps Doran Martell and Varys, neither of whose plans have come to fruition yet, so it’s a bit too soon to tell. But it is telling that Sady entirely omits from her analysis Ygritte, Jon Snow’s lover, who keeps him alive when he’s failing to integrate with the wildlings; Melisandre, who is the most powerful religious figure in the novels and the only advisor who manages to keep her ruler on a trajectory that’s both strategic and moral; the Sand Snakes, powerful, aggressive Dornish women who are setting out to set various parts of Doran’s plan in action; Asha Greyjoy, by far the most strategically intelligent person in the Iron Islands; and Meera Reed, who manages to keep Bran, Hodor, and her brother alive on their quest to find the three-eyed crow; that she ignores that Brienne of Tarth is the highest living exemplar of chivalric ideals." There are so many competent women in the novels, yet Sady focused solely on Arya and Brienne of Tarth and made the assertion that female competence (in matters of leadership/war/combat/traditionally male stuff) can only occur in the absence of sexiness. She even ignores DANY when trying to make that point. | ||
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Cylon
United States124 Posts
On September 15 2011 05:25 Drowsy wrote:There are so many competent women in the novels, yet Sady focused solely on Arya and Brienne of Tarth and made the assertion that female competence (in matters of leadership/war/combat/traditionally male stuff) can only occur in the absence of sexiness. She even ignores DANY when trying to make that point. To be fair, Dany does make bad decisions based on her lady parts. | ||
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
 ![[image loading]](http://s1.proxy04.twitpic.com/photos/large/398351011.jpg) Made from wood and plaster by the way. ![[image loading]](http://s1.proxy05.twitpic.com/photos/large/398351941.jpg) Someone had already nicked one it seems ![[image loading]](http://s1.proxy04.twitpic.com/photos/large/398350264.jpg) | ||
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