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his was by far the worst story arc.the last two books remind me so much of the decline the wheel of time went through. bad story arcs, drawn out books, and characters acting retarded.
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
his was by far the worst story arc.the last two books remind me so much of the decline the wheel of time went through. bad story arcs, drawn out books, and characters acting retarded. | ||
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
On September 02 2011 06:17 rogueindustrialist wrote: Just finished ADWD, here are my thoughts: 1. Daenerys is an idiot. somehow she managed to turn from someone who was a pretty damn capable and good leader to a completely ineffectual ruler that refuses to let anyone get hurt, even for the greater good. at least she started to see how much of an idiot she was by the end. 2. Jon is also an idiot, albeit not quite as much of one. the only thing unsurprising about his stabbing was that it didn't happen sooner. while I can see the logic in, and agree with using the wildlings, even HE knew that trying to save the ones at hardhome was futile would only serve to lose valuable men, and by blatantly breaking his oath the end, that was just pointless and silly. how could he have NOT seen the betrayal coming after that? it's also kind of baffling because he had just refused to that very same thing when stannis offered it to him earlier. also he's totally not dead. One of the recurring themes of asoiaf (and very important to GRRM if you read/watch his interviews) is that good leaders/warriors don't necessarily make good rulers and effective rulers aren't necessarily good people. The Dany parts fell right in with this and I think her coming to understand this and discovering within herself what she's good and bad at will be very important developments for her. The Jon stuff... I agree. I found the Hardhome stuff very illogical and the whole final Jon chapter very weird and forced. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
I think its way overexaggerated, though. People say how he kills everyone off... but is it really so? I mean we have people actually coming back to life. Yes, Ned died. So did Robb and Cat (sorta). But thats pretty much it . . . every other dead character didn't really matter cause they wern't a big deal. Have any PoV characters died, other than + Show Spoiler [DwD] + Quent? There's that one big death in Dance, but I think the general concenus is that person won't actually stay dead (if they died at all). When I first started reading it, I was expecting just about every character I remotely cared about to die. So much so that I labeled every single character except for a remote few (Jon, Arya, Dany) to be expendable. So much fear of Tyrion dying D: But yeah, I think pepole exaggerate. | ||
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
On September 02 2011 12:28 Crazyeyes wrote: LOL. That comic. XD I think its way overexaggerated, though. People say how he kills everyone off... but is it really so? I mean we have people actually coming back to life. Yes, Ned died. So did Robb and Cat (sorta). But thats pretty much it . . . every other dead character didn't really matter cause they wern't a big deal. Have any PoV characters died, other than + Show Spoiler [DwD] + Quent? There's that one big death in Dance, but I think the general concenus is that person won't actually stay dead (if they died at all). When I first started reading it, I was expecting just about every character I remotely cared about to die. So much so that I labeled every single character except for a remote few (Jon, Arya, Dany) to be expendable. So much fear of Tyrion dying D: But yeah, I think pepole exaggerate. To answer the question around that spoiler in the quoted post: + Show Spoiler + you even mentioned one in your own post, Ned. Then there's Aerys Oakheart, and also Jon Snow. And in general I consider Catelyn dead, I mean sure she's revived but she's no longer a PoV and her lack of speaking makes her seem more like a vengeful spirit than a real character at this point. I also disagree with the complaints about "the number of revivals" though, because it's not like he's doing some ridiculous deus ex machina to get that to happen (with maybe the exception of + Show Spoiler + Catelyn, but that's only once) Jon Snow. | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
And Oakhart, I forgot about him. He was sort of minor, though, like the spoilered person. We didn't have enough time to really get to love him or feel for him very much. As for Catelyn... I thought she CAN talk now. Wasn't she talking in Brienne's chapters? Yes, her voice was raspy and she was talking through her neck somehow, but the BWB members were able to understand her. She's pretty much a new character, though, since she clearly went mad before dying. Your way of seeing her is pretty much perfect, actually. I like that. She died during her PoV too. I think my general point of my previous post still stands, though. It feels very exaggerated. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=47071#2 I disagree. D: + Show Spoiler + and yeah, Jon isn't dead. Or if he is, he won't stay that way. | ||
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rogueindustrialist
10 Posts
On September 02 2011 10:37 mucker wrote: One of the recurring themes of asoiaf (and very important to GRRM if you read/watch his interviews) is that good leaders/warriors don't necessarily make good rulers and effective rulers aren't necessarily good people. The Dany parts fell right in with this and I think her coming to understand this and discovering within herself what she's good and bad at will be very important developments for her. The Jon stuff... I agree. I found the Hardhome stuff very illogical and the whole final Jon chapter very weird and forced. I agree about the good ruler/good warrior/good person thing, but dany had already been shown to be a good leader as a khalasee and basically every other time before she decided to settle in mereen, which made her bad decisions and "I REFUSE TO LET ANYBODY GET HURT" attitude even more ridiculous because she had gotten everything that she had by being ruthless and effective and not waffling on decisions because someone might be hurt. | ||
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
On September 02 2011 06:28 zalz wrote: Victarion actually went from insanely boring AFFC chapters to my favorite chapters from ADWD. I don't get how anyone could find Victarion boring? His battle for the shield islands is the most memorable description of ANY battle in all the books to me. I can't wait to see him leap onto a boat in full plate armor and start smashing men in rags in the head with his axe. HBO better show his fight with Serry and it must be epic!! | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On September 02 2011 06:17 rogueindustrialist wrote: Just finished ADWD, here are my thoughts: 1. Daenerys is an idiot. somehow she managed to turn from someone who was a pretty damn capable and good leader to a completely ineffectual ruler that refuses to let anyone get hurt, even for the greater good. at least she started to see how much of an idiot she was by the end. 2. Jon is also an idiot, albeit not quite as much of one. the only thing unsurprising about his stabbing was that it didn't happen sooner. while I can see the logic in, and agree with using the wildlings, even HE knew that trying to save the ones at hardhome was futile would only serve to lose valuable men, and by blatantly breaking his oath the end, that was just pointless and silly. how could he have NOT seen the betrayal coming after that? it's also kind of baffling because he had just refused to that very same thing when stannis offered it to him earlier. also he's totally not dead. 3. tyrion is a badass and I want to see more of him. 4. arya is annoying. 5. littlegfinger is a boss. I kind of want him to succeed. 6. stannis is almost certainly not dead. remember davos dying in AFFC? yeah this is almost the exact same thing. 7. speaking of, I want to see more davos. 8. I also want to see sam become a maester. 9. jaime is neat. 10. barristan is neater. 11. more for AFFC but I wish the hound wasn't dead so he could kill frankenstein-gregor. 12. victarion was also neat, I wanna read more about him. that's about it. but would people mind filling me in on the evidence for jon being the son of rheagor/lyanna? I haven't gotten that impression at all, especially given how much conflicted evidence there is. 1. ye 2. ye 3. ye, but his chapters were a bit dragged out in this book 4. Dude? what the fuck? She's like the best thing that happens in 4th and 5th books 5.ye 6. ye 7. ye 8. w/e 9. ye 10. ye 11. The Hound isnt dead imo, re-read the chapter when Brienne speaks to that monk or whoever at the cave, look for clues, there are many 12. ye | ||
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Grobian
Germany13 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On September 02 2011 16:54 Grobian wrote: when will season 2 start in the us? around the same time the first did, so 2012 spring | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
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Lomak
United States311 Posts
"I don't always go sailing, but when I do, I steal your boat and enslave you" | ||
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Mabius
Canada323 Posts
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
On September 04 2011 09:41 Mabius wrote: Question for you guys, I went to the store today to buy the Newest Book, Dance with Dragons or whatever, and they only had a huge hard copy.. is the smaller paperback version out anywhere yet?? Not as far as I know. I don't think the paperback will be available for like... 16 months or something. I wanted the paperback too but the lady in the store laughed at me when I asked. | ||
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Mabius
Canada323 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14911 Posts
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On September 02 2011 17:14 SoMuchBetter wrote: Stannis is pretty obviously not dead. Ramsey writes an angry letter stating that Stannis is dead and his army smashed ( and with the Manderleys' waiting to betray him) but his bride and Theon are missing. If he really defeated Stannis he would have got Jeyne back. Unless Jeyne, Theon and Asha are on their way to the Wall. Also I really hope the bit about Mance isn't true because he's a badass and it seems like way too much of an anticlimax to kill him off like that though it does beg the question how Ramsey knew he was there (unless he caught one of the girls who grassed on him after Mance escaped). Also loved that choice of Abel as his name (Bael anagram) | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On September 04 2011 10:22 Mabius wrote: so your just supposed to read it as a huge book..? blahhh i'd buy a kindle but I don't think id read anything after im done with game of thrones, half way through a feast for crows Typically paperbacks arent release for a year or so after hardcovers (to maximize sales). If your a reader at all, get a kindle. Totally worth it. books are 5-6 bucks, and you keep a bank on Amazon, and the battery lasts for months if you turn off the wifi (which you dont need unless you are downloading). I have all the Song of Ice and Fire books on it. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
On September 04 2011 12:04 Darpa wrote: Typically paperbacks arent release for a year or so after hardcovers (to maximize sales). If your a reader at all, get a kindle. Totally worth it. books are 5-6 bucks, and you keep a bank on Amazon, and the battery lasts for months if you turn off the wifi (which you dont need unless you are downloading). I have all the Song of Ice and Fire books on it. There's just something to be said about actually flipping the pages of a book and the feel of the paper in your hands though. | ||
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