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thats like the damn coolest thing I ever saw!
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On September 09 2011 08:56 N3rV[Green] wrote:
books 4 and 5 are the same time period, just different lands. Book 4 doesn't go up to the wall much, or across the narrow sea much
Thats all in book 5.
AFFC and ADWD were supposed to be one book, but GRRM thought it would be too thick, so he split the book into two, with half the characters in one, half in the other. They are in the same time frame, though the end of ADWD goes a bit beyond that.
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looking to be spoilered, does the sword master come back later in the series?
if so does he get to train the little girl more ?
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On September 17 2011 04:25 Warlike Prince wrote:
looking to be spoilered, does the sword master come back later in the series?
if so does he get to train the little girl more ?
First no.
Second: + Show Spoiler +
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Wow, the throne looks much bigger on TV.
Cool photos.
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On September 17 2011 04:33 unsmart wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 04:25 Warlike Prince wrote:
looking to be spoilered, does the sword master come back later in the series?
if so does he get to train the little girl more ? First no. Second: + Show Spoiler +
you torment me sir!!
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On September 17 2011 04:35 Warlike Prince wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 04:33 unsmart wrote:On September 17 2011 04:25 Warlike Prince wrote:
looking to be spoilered, does the sword master come back later in the series?
if so does he get to train the little girl more ? First no. Second: + Show Spoiler + you torment me sir!!
I don't really mean to, it's just how it is in the books. I mean, the maybe is probably a no, but is still a slight maybe.
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Just finished reading a dance with dragons... god damn it now I have to wait like 10 years for the next book to come out :[
+ Show Spoiler +I want to see Dany come into the battle w/ Khal whatever his name was and her dragons, destroy those slaving sons of bitches that call themselves the Yunkai, make everything all peaceful and go to Westeros. Somehow I doubt that's how it's going to play out.
Also I did NOT see the Jon thing coming. Holy shit :[ QQ
Also I agree w/ everyone Victarion = bad ass mother fucker.
edit: spoiler tagged just in case :b
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Just finished book 5.
+ Show Spoiler +In my opinion the book is better than AFFC but not as good as book 2 and 3. Overall I enjoyed reading the book, but somehow I was a little bit disappointed in the end. I was eagerly anticipating the fight for Winterfell between the Boltons and Stannis and the fight for Mereen. Somehow both of that just didn't happen. Don't get me wrong I still had a blast reading the book. Short summary of the things I liked and didn't like: Dislikes: As already mentioned, I was really looking forward to the battle for Winterfell and then the Snowstorm came to ruin the day  . I always loved the Dany parts in the other books, in ADWD they were kind of annoying. Dany turning from a cool charakter to a somehow annoying little girl that falls in love with a guy that has a golden tooth (common... ^^). The scene in the end, when she mounted Drogon was cool though. I also felt the Tyrion parts weren't that intresting, but I always was looking forward to an encounter between Daenarys and Tyrion. Sadly that never happend. The fact that John Snow decided to fight against Ramsey just didn't feel right and was implausible for the charakter in my opinion. As for his dead, I somehow expected it. Likes: Arya! Still my fav charakter.  The prologue was great and I loved the Melisandre chapter. The Theon/Reek parts were really intense, especially the first one. After that I really felt pity for a charakter I hated before. Cerseis march of shame was also a highlight of the book. Victarion is a baller! The whole iron bank thing is great, it will be interesting how they change things up in the future. Davos chapters were a great read and I loved how Manderly was making fun of the Freys. Aegon landing in Westeros. Can't wait for this story arch in the next book.
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Also is it just me or is being a non essential character even worse in ASOIAF than like startrek (red shirts) or star wars (rebel soldiers and stormtroopers).
Like when victarion picks 7 of the pretty girls on one of the boats he captures and has them sacrificed to rhllor/drowned god at the same time. Man... that sucks :[
So many gods in this world that demand sacrifices.
Also holy SHIT quentyn martell is a fucking idiot lol.
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Oh yeah, we've had hundreds of thousands of deaths. It's the characters that don't have names that really get fucked. =P
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About 1/3rd of the way through book 5
+ Show Spoiler +I still have a major mancrush on Stannis, but him getting too entangled in the Night's Watch and effectively petitioning them to help him take his throne (though he is the rightful ruler), seems like it could seriously undermine the integrity of the night's watch, and specifically Jon Snow's. Combined with the diplomatic stance toward the Wildlings, I just can't help but feel Jon's going to be in some serious trouble. Also, he can't possibly evade repercussions for straight up decapitating Janos Slynt. I can't wait to see that scene in the show, I hope they change it around and take Slynt to the place where Eddard first dispensed justice on the deserter. Whether it's the wildlings, people in the watch, or the Boltons in the north, Jon Snow is going to make a powerful enemy.
I find myself feeling really bad for Theon/Reek. Even in book 2 when he did all that fucked up shit, I could sorta understand where he was coming from. He knew he was likely to be on the losing side if he sided with his friend Robb. It was loyalty to friends and death or loyalty to family and life. It doesn't seem like he treated the smallfolk well when occupying winterfell, but think about what the Lannisters would have done had they seized winterfell? What did the Boltons do? He wasn't THAT much of a dick to the people of winterfell when he conquered. One interesting thing about Theon that I may have posted here before is that the book mentions that he used to sleep with the Miller's wife when he was ward of the Starks. He kills the Millers boys to pass them off as Bran and Rickon, and I just thought that there's a possibility that the Rickon aged one was actually Theon's biological son. Anyway, I find myself hoping nothing horrible happens to him while he's in captivity.
I've found the Dany chapters really boring in both Book 2 and this book so far. Right now it feels like half of every Dany chapter describes the way her loins froth at the thought and sight of Dario. Just bang and get it over with wtf. She'll probably never cross the Narrow Sea, I think the main story could stand entirely without Dany as a PoV character. There's a supernatural doom brewing to the north which threatens to bring eternal winter with the extinction of humanity. By comparison, a story about a 15 year old girl trying to teach a bunch of savages that slavery and fighting pits are wrong and pining for Dario is not particularly compelling.
Also loled at the fakedeath of Tyrion. I thought GRRM was going to set it up purposefully to where Tyrion is largely irrelevant to the story, but then he learns something that could make him very relevant, and the dies. Drowning though? It was a strange choice.
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On September 18 2011 08:16 DamnCats wrote:
Also is it just me or is being a non essential character even worse in ASOIAF than like startrek (red shirts) or star wars (rebel soldiers and stormtroopers).
Unsullied : (. Can't think of a worse life than that. Would way rather be a storm trooper or something.
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Man, A Dance with Dragons leaves so many damn questions at the end!
First, the big one: is Jon Snow actually dead? I would assume so, as he did get stabbed by at least three daggers. However, there's been this huge buildup towards a battle against the Others, and its gonna be pretty hard to have PoV chapters at the wall without him. I guess we could see the coming events through the eyes of Melissandre, but ugggghhhhhhh. I'd rather not.
Second, how was the murder of Aegon Targaryen prevented? It was said somewhere that Lord Tywin delivered the bodies himself (to Robert Baratheon? I forget who to) wrapped up, so no one else saw them, but Tywin himself had to see the bodies. Could he have been fooled into believing that one of them was Aegon? I would assume then, that Varys was behind it, but is it possible that Tywin had some part of the plot?
Third, Littlefinger's scheme with Sansa. So he intends to reveal her to be the rightful heir to Winterfell, with (I assume) the help of the lords from the Eyrie, but then what? Does he then marry her himself? Littlefinger doesn't seem like he aspires to be Warden or even King of the North, I think he wants it all. How does he go from that to King (or whatever his true aspirations are).
Fourth: Sansa. Is she just gonna be a weak character all series? We've gone through so much of her suffering, it'd really be nice if she became one of the "players" instead of just a "piece"
Fifth, Brienne. Is she dead? They hang her, but there isn't much finality about her death.
Sixth: What is going to happen to Dany now that she's been found by Khal Jhaqo? It's hard to capture a lady with a dragon, but I can't see things going particularly well for her if they do capture her. She's been working to end slavery and the Khalasars all take slaves and sell them to the slavers. If they side with her, it means an end to their slaving. If they try to take her, then what? They could kill her, which would be a letdown, or they could capture her and try to ransom her I guess?
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I strongly disagree with the decision to kill off both Tywin Lannister and Joffrey at the conclusion of the War of the Five Kings. The two were well established antagonists, the first of which was the most dangerous miracle worker in the realm while the second deserved Needle in the belly. GRRM unceremoniously killed off both. At least one of them should have been kept alive to maintain the role of a well established antagonist who either dies or bent the knee to Daenerys in the final book.
I was initially left in confusion after the death of Tywin, as I wasn't sure if there is even a "universal enemy" type of character left in the book. Fortunately Cersei took up the mantle and tried bloodly hard to be a bitch. Unfortunately, I can't see Cersei the way I see Tywin or Joffrey. Heck, she is practically killing herself and splitting her own kingdom, doing half of the work for the Targaryens. I am not sure to hate, laugh at, or pity Cersei. Joffrey had no redeemable quality while Tywin is colder than even Stannis. Cersei...perhaps too human.
The danger to the Targaryens is the combined power of Casterly Rock and Highgarden. If Cersei manage to split the two by herself...it will make a boring conclusion to the war of Westeros. I would have much preferred to have Tywin alive, a character established as insurmountable.
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On October 06 2011 01:01 dukethegold wrote:
I strongly disagree with the decision to kill off both Tywin Lannister and Joffrey at the conclusion of the War of the Five Kings. The two were well established antagonists, the first of which was the most dangerous miracle worker in the realm while the second deserved Needle in the belly. GRRM unceremoniously killed off both. At least one of them should have been kept alive to maintain the role of a well established antagonist who either dies or bent the knee to Daenerys in the final book.
I was initially left in confusion after the death of Tywin, as I wasn't sure if there is even a "universal enemy" type of character left in the book. Fortunately Cersei took up the mantle and tried bloodly hard to be a bitch. Unfortunately, I can't see Cersei the way I see Tywin or Joffrey. Heck, she is practically killing herself and splitting her own kingdom, doing half of the work for the Targaryens. I am not sure to hate, laugh at, or pity Cersei. Joffrey had no redeemable quality while Tywin is colder than even Stannis. Cersei...perhaps too human.
The danger to the Targaryens is the combined power of Casterly Rock and Highgarden. If Cersei manage to split the two by herself...it will make a boring conclusion to the war of Westeros. I would have much preferred to have Tywin alive, a character established as insurmountable.
Cersei is a much better person for that role. She is not competent but is fun :D
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On October 06 2011 01:01 dukethegold wrote:
I strongly disagree with the decision to kill off both Tywin Lannister and Joffrey at the conclusion of the War of the Five Kings. The two were well established antagonists, the first of which was the most dangerous miracle worker in the realm while the second deserved Needle in the belly. GRRM unceremoniously killed off both. At least one of them should have been kept alive to maintain the role of a well established antagonist who either dies or bent the knee to Daenerys in the final book.
I was initially left in confusion after the death of Tywin, as I wasn't sure if there is even a "universal enemy" type of character left in the book. Fortunately Cersei took up the mantle and tried bloodly hard to be a bitch. Unfortunately, I can't see Cersei the way I see Tywin or Joffrey. Heck, she is practically killing herself and splitting her own kingdom, doing half of the work for the Targaryens. I am not sure to hate, laugh at, or pity Cersei. Joffrey had no redeemable quality while Tywin is colder than even Stannis. Cersei...perhaps too human.
The danger to the Targaryens is the combined power of Casterly Rock and Highgarden. If Cersei manage to split the two by herself...it will make a boring conclusion to the war of Westeros. I would have much preferred to have Tywin alive, a character established as insurmountable.
I sort of agree but Joffrey was so despicable he couldn't have killed him off fast enough....I'm glad he went when he did cause he outlived his welcome by far. Tywin was awesome tho....best villain by far. I didn't like how he went out at all. But then again GRRM makes a living off doing unexpected shit.
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On October 06 2011 01:14 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 01:01 dukethegold wrote:
I strongly disagree with the decision to kill off both Tywin Lannister and Joffrey at the conclusion of the War of the Five Kings. The two were well established antagonists, the first of which was the most dangerous miracle worker in the realm while the second deserved Needle in the belly. GRRM unceremoniously killed off both. At least one of them should have been kept alive to maintain the role of a well established antagonist who either dies or bent the knee to Daenerys in the final book.
I was initially left in confusion after the death of Tywin, as I wasn't sure if there is even a "universal enemy" type of character left in the book. Fortunately Cersei took up the mantle and tried bloodly hard to be a bitch. Unfortunately, I can't see Cersei the way I see Tywin or Joffrey. Heck, she is practically killing herself and splitting her own kingdom, doing half of the work for the Targaryens. I am not sure to hate, laugh at, or pity Cersei. Joffrey had no redeemable quality while Tywin is colder than even Stannis. Cersei...perhaps too human.
The danger to the Targaryens is the combined power of Casterly Rock and Highgarden. If Cersei manage to split the two by herself...it will make a boring conclusion to the war of Westeros. I would have much preferred to have Tywin alive, a character established as insurmountable. I sort of agree but Joffrey was so despicable he couldn't have killed him off fast enough....I'm glad he went when he did cause he outlived his welcome by far. Tywin was awesome tho....best villain by far. I didn't like how he went out at all. But then again GRRM makes a living off doing unexpected shit.
I would be COUNTING the weeks for the 6th book if Joffrey was still alive, pulling tongues and burning peasants, while Arya is training to become a Faceless Man...
Nonetheless, Joffrey's death served several vital plot purposes, the primary of which was driving Tyrion to seek out the Targaryens. Tywin Lannister, on the other hand, was established as an iron mountain who essentially suffered no military or political defeat in his life that outlasted several kings and countless wars. I wanted and NEEDED to see how a character as unique as Tywin Lannister, the greatest and most dangerous of the seven kingdoms, is supposed to be defeated by either the Starks or the Targaryens (or god forbid, by Littlefingers...).
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On October 06 2011 01:27 dukethegold wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 01:14 antelope591 wrote:On October 06 2011 01:01 dukethegold wrote:
I strongly disagree with the decision to kill off both Tywin Lannister and Joffrey at the conclusion of the War of the Five Kings. The two were well established antagonists, the first of which was the most dangerous miracle worker in the realm while the second deserved Needle in the belly. GRRM unceremoniously killed off both. At least one of them should have been kept alive to maintain the role of a well established antagonist who either dies or bent the knee to Daenerys in the final book.
I was initially left in confusion after the death of Tywin, as I wasn't sure if there is even a "universal enemy" type of character left in the book. Fortunately Cersei took up the mantle and tried bloodly hard to be a bitch. Unfortunately, I can't see Cersei the way I see Tywin or Joffrey. Heck, she is practically killing herself and splitting her own kingdom, doing half of the work for the Targaryens. I am not sure to hate, laugh at, or pity Cersei. Joffrey had no redeemable quality while Tywin is colder than even Stannis. Cersei...perhaps too human.
The danger to the Targaryens is the combined power of Casterly Rock and Highgarden. If Cersei manage to split the two by herself...it will make a boring conclusion to the war of Westeros. I would have much preferred to have Tywin alive, a character established as insurmountable. I sort of agree but Joffrey was so despicable he couldn't have killed him off fast enough....I'm glad he went when he did cause he outlived his welcome by far. Tywin was awesome tho....best villain by far. I didn't like how he went out at all. But then again GRRM makes a living off doing unexpected shit. I would be COUNTING the weeks for the 6th book if Joffrey was still alive, pulling tongues and burning peasants, while Arya is training to become a Faceless Man... Nonetheless, Joffrey's death served several vital plot purposes, the primary of which was driving Tyrion to seek out the Targaryens. Tywin Lannister, on the other hand, was established as an iron mountain who essentially suffered no military or political defeat in his life that outlasted several kings and countless wars. I wanted and NEEDED to see how a character as unique as Tywin Lannister, the greatest and most dangerous of the seven kingdoms, is supposed to be defeated by either the Starks or the Targaryens (or god forbid, by Littlefingers...).
Actually Tywins death was most epic next to Neds. Both died because of their greatest strengths and both were fucked over by the members of their own family.
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To all those commenting about protagonists and antagonists. There aren't really those clearly defined roles in GRRM's books. Because of how he writes and the fact that he is unbiased towards characters, creates a situation where you sometimes can't tell who's good and who's bad. Also because he only cares about the overall story and progressing that he is free to kill off characters that in a normal protagonist/antagonist type book would be main plot characters.
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