SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire Click Here for the spoiler-free thread.
On June 13 2011 17:06 zalz wrote: If the death of Ned pisses people off this badly i wonder if the red wedding is gonna send them into shock.
To me the death of Ned never felt massive. I was suprised that he died as was anyone but it didn't hit me as hard as the red wedding. The death of Ned was just that, Ned died. The red wedding is the absolute end to the entire Stark chances wich at the time were allready bleak.
I had already established a close connection to a large number of other characters by the time Ned was killed. Arya/Jon/Tyrion/Robb/Dany/Jaime etcetc, so I agree it wasn't that big of a deal for me. I don't think the TV-only viewers had that same luxury as we did. It's considerably easier to develop characters in a book. HBO threw Ned out into the public, as THE guy in the series, and killed him off in 9 episodes, so I can sort of empathize with the viewers.
The red wedding was harder on me. As I agree with zalz in that it was pretty much the nail in the coffin for the Starks. I can't imagine how the HBO viewers will react to that. To be honest, Robb was probably my favorite character by the time he died.
Oh my god I just can't wait to see the rage when the Red Wedding happens rofl. Though I was actually glad Catelyn died - I hated reading her chapters SO much. Imagine my uberrage when they killed off Beric Dondarrion for good just to bring her back, UGH.
The cool thing about GRRM is that as he kills off the main characters he gives you another character to attach yourself to. Robb after Ned and then once most of the Starks die, Jaime gets thrown into the spotlight to take on a protagonist role.
That said, GRRM is a pretty cruel writer. He kills off Ned right off the bat, so you're like "wow he has the balls to actually kill off any character at any time." Then Bran and Rickon "die" and turn out to still be alive, so you're like "oh maybe he is more like conventional writers and Ned will be the only case of a main character actually dying." Then Robb dies lmao.
I think there will be plenty of rage after the season finale, much sooner than the red wedding assuming Mirri Maz-Durrin (sp?) takes care of business.
The Red Wedding for me changed the book from one with a traditional protagonist to a truly epic tale of Westeros, looking back on it I feel like it was one of the best moments in the series, even if my reaction was "WTF? Where the hell could this series go now?"
Its been a while since my last read through and it still saddens/anger me each time my favorite characters die/are abused. I guess that is the great thing about the writing to make me feel these emotions. There is something cruel about waiting years for the sequel and having characters you hope would get some sweet revenge go blind/have his wolf stitched to his head.
I am a minority but if the next book which I have been waiting for so long that I forget about it doe not have sliver of good news (okay I admit Dorne's plan to stick it to the Lannisters intrigue me) I don't think I will be reading the next book 8 years from now.
With minimal redemption and feel good stories in the upcoming seasons, I hope HBO maintains good ratings/subscriptions. Because as good as the books are, there are a lot of fluff and the constant tragedy is going to be difficult for viewers to stomach.
I was already told the red wedding was going to happen, and when I saw the chapter coming I skipped it, it was the only chapter in the series I didnt read, simply because it was too painful for me. That's some emotive storywriting right there.
On June 14 2011 00:29 Excludos wrote: I havent readen the book, but am I correct to assume that the characters you end up loving the most are those who get dicked around the most? At this rate, I'm going to expect the Lanisters to win the war, winterfell to burn, Khal Droco to die and the little shit king to rule supreme. (The little kid is an amazing actor btw. I don't remember any character in any series that everyone hates so badly)
This comment was from the no-spoilers thread and I laughed so hard at the accuracy of those guesses.
On June 14 2011 00:29 Excludos wrote: I havent readen the book, but am I correct to assume that the characters you end up loving the most are those who get dicked around the most? At this rate, I'm going to expect the Lanisters to win the war, winterfell to burn, Khal Droco to die and the little shit king to rule supreme. (The little kid is an amazing actor btw. I don't remember any character in any series that everyone hates so badly)
This comment was from the no-spoilers thread and I laughed so hard at the accuracy of those guesses.
lol yeah I saw that too. He got them all spot on, ahahaha.
The Lannisters get picked off in the later books too though. Joff dead, Jaime hand-less, Tywin dead, Tyrion exiled, Cersei imprisoned, Myrcella mutilated...
I bet the series ends with that comet in the sky crashing into the Earth (or whatever it's called) and wiping everybody out.
On June 14 2011 01:13 stork4ever wrote: Its been a while since my last read through and it still saddens/anger me each time my favorite characters die/are abused. I guess that is the great thing about the writing to make me feel these emotions. There is something cruel about waiting years for the sequel and having characters you hope would get some sweet revenge go blind/have his wolf stitched to his head.
when I read game of thrones, red wedding had already been spoiled for me, but goddamn it was still emotionally wrenching for me. as a dog owner, the death of the wolf unable to protect his master really got to me.
I just found a mistake in the script for episode 9.
When Mormont is talking to Jon after giving him the sword he mentions sending the hand of the wight to kings landing to show the king. He describes it as the hand his wolf tore off (which is what happens in the book) but in the previous episode Jon cuts it off with his sword and the dog isn't in the room.
On June 14 2011 04:12 SiguR wrote: I just found a mistake in the script for episode 9.
When Mormont is talking to Jon after giving him the sword he mentions sending the hand of the wight to kings landing to show the king. He describes it as the hand his wolf tore off (which is what happens in the book) but in the previous episode Jon cuts it off with his sword and the dog isn't in the room.
The wolf had a hand in its mouth when it comes to them after they say their vows, that is the hand that is sent.
On June 14 2011 04:12 SiguR wrote: I just found a mistake in the script for episode 9.
When Mormont is talking to Jon after giving him the sword he mentions sending the hand of the wight to kings landing to show the king. He describes it as the hand his wolf tore off (which is what happens in the book) but in the previous episode Jon cuts it off with his sword and the dog isn't in the room.
there are two different hands. remember jon found a hand in the woods, the wolf brought it to him.the hand that jon cut off doesn't get sent to the king.
On June 14 2011 04:12 SiguR wrote: I just found a mistake in the script for episode 9.
When Mormont is talking to Jon after giving him the sword he mentions sending the hand of the wight to kings landing to show the king. He describes it as the hand his wolf tore off (which is what happens in the book) but in the previous episode Jon cuts it off with his sword and the dog isn't in the room.
The wolf had a hand in its mouth when it comes to them after they say their vows, that is the hand that is sent.
Oooooh yeah, my mistake.
Though I thought the point was that the hand was still moving in the jar when they sent it since it was from the wight that came back to life.
It's been a while since I read book 1 though I'm probably remembering wrong. Even if i'm remembering it right I guess they could've just changed it a bit which makes sense.
Jumping ahead quite a bit, do you think they should combine A Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons into one season for the series? I'm just having a hard time picturing AFFC as a particularly satisfying season, and since the two books were originally meant to be a single book, it might make sense. It's hard to speculate without having read Dragons, of course, but still... AFFC was a snoozefest, imo.
On June 14 2011 05:08 Quotidian wrote: Jumping ahead quite a bit, do you think they should combine A Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons into one season for the series? I'm just having a hard time picturing AFFC as a particularly satisfying season, and since the two books were originally meant to be a single book, it might make sense. It's hard to speculate without having read Dragons, of course, but still... AFFC was a snoozefest, imo.
I just finished reading book 4 a few days ago and I completely agree. I'm sure they will combine the two books together when making the show, if we get to a fourth season.
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