EPTOn May 30 2012 09:18 moopie wrote:
ramsey isnt on that list btw.
ramsey isnt on that list btw.
Hes not in book 3...after book 2 he doesnt show till 5
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
Hes not in book 3...after book 2 he doesnt show till 5 | ||
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
On May 30 2012 09:23 Falling wrote: That's probably true. It's almost been a decade since I read the book, but didn't the entire thing happen 'offscreen' anyways? Like Robb relates to his mother after the fact how he got carried away/ needed comfort. I think it was pretty much because he wanted comfort (sex) and didn't want to dishonour her, which compared to the whole frey pact is nothing in severity especially with the silly amounts of rape and whoring throughout the show/books the dishonour part, atleast to the typical viewer is a very very weak reason. | ||
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bayside
United States82 Posts
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
On May 30 2012 11:08 bayside wrote: Meh who cares about the rob/catelyn line, they all die horrible deaths at the hands of the Freys anyways... I'm about 60% through book 3, and its kindve like wtf? It has been very hard to get back into the series after that, because the Lannisters are just so OP, Im at the point now where I pretty much know stannis is going to become king, and the Dornish are going to kill all the lannisters in a terrible terrible fashion.... only question is, where does Dany come in... Meh I think the show will lose a huge amount of followers when Rob dies... they have strayed quite a bit from the book as well (lots of things from book 3 are already in the season, while blackwater was the last thing to happen...) Your faith in grrm makes me sad :p. Their death were needed to advance the plot past the war of 5 kings into affoc and adwd. Which imO is the bridge (although a far too long one) to an (hopefully) epic conclusion. Also finish the bool before making short sighted comments because grrm doesnt dissappoint. Ever. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
now if only the continuing books lived up to that standard... | ||
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
On May 30 2012 12:40 1Eris1 wrote: the last half of a ASOS is probably some of the best fantasy literature I've ever read. keep reading. now if only the continuing books lived up to that standard... They weren't THAT bad :l. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
– Mance Rayder: We’ve heard about him all season. A former member of the Night’s Watch who became the “King Beyond the Wall,” the leader of the Wildlings. – Daario Naharis: A confident and seductive warrior. – Jojen Reed; Meera Reed: A teenage brother and sister duo with special insights. – Edmure Tully: A brash young member of the Tully family. – Ser Brynden Tully (The Blackfish): Catelyn Stark’s uncle. – Lady Selyse Florent: Stannis Baratheon’s wife. – Shireen: Stannis’ daughter. – Olenna Redwyne (The Queen of Thorns): Margaery Tyrell’s sharp-witted grandmother. – Beric Dondarrion: A skilled knight who is the leader of the outlaw group Brotherhood Without Banners. – Thoros of Myr: A red priest who follows the same religion as Melisandre. – Tormund Giantsbane: A Wildling raider. | ||
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Quexana
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I'd agree with you on the 4th book, but I loved "A Dance with Dragons". Arya's chapters and the Theon/Ramsey stuff was amazing. The Jon Snow storyline was very good too. | ||
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On May 30 2012 09:52 antelope591 wrote: Hes not in book 3...after book 2 he doesnt show till 5 yeah, but if we don't see him by the end of the season 2 finale I'm gonna put my rage hat on | ||
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Quexana
98 Posts
On May 30 2012 11:08 bayside wrote: Meh who cares about the rob/catelyn line, they all die horrible deaths at the hands of the Freys anyways... I'm about 60% through book 3, and its kindve like wtf? It has been very hard to get back into the series after that, because the Lannisters are just so OP, Im at the point now where I pretty much know stannis is going to become king, and the Dornish are going to kill all the lannisters in a terrible terrible fashion.... only question is, where does Dany come in... Meh I think the show will lose a huge amount of followers when Rob dies... they have strayed quite a bit from the book as well (lots of things from book 3 are already in the season, while blackwater was the last thing to happen...) That's funny, because I've finished book 5 and I still don't know who's gonna eventually become king. Or what's to become of winterfell, or how the war against the White Walkers will play out. And while everyone has been warring and burning fields and terrorizing the country side, no one has bothered to stock food for the long dark winter that is coming. How will that play out? And what exactly is Littlefinger's master plan? What's the real story of Jon Snow's birth? What happened to Benjen Stark? What is Bran's role in everything? There's a lot of story left, trust me I wanted to throw the book away after the Red Wedding too. In fact, I threw the book against my refrigerator when I read it, but keep reading. There's good stuff ahead. The war of the five kings is winding down, and the war of the three queens is about to start. | ||
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
On May 30 2012 13:40 Quexana wrote: I'd agree with you on the 4th book, but I loved "A Dance with Dragons". Arya's chapters and the Theon/Ramsey stuff was amazing. The Jon Snow storyline was very good too. ^I'm sorry but the 3 queens are cersei, dany, and...? Theon and ramsy were amazing, but the dany garbage really cannot be overlooked, all she did was whine and have sex with daario for the most part. Then again, I see some fairly easy ways for her to FINALLY GTFO from slaver's bay and do something for the first time in 2 books so there is still hope. Jon snow parts i thought could have been shorter which should have been used to resolve at least 1 of the 2 cliff hangers regarding him. | ||
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
On May 30 2012 14:01 ionlyplayPROtoss wrote: Theon and ramsy were amazing, but the dany garbage really cannot be overlooked, all she did was whine and have sex with daario for the most part. Then again, I see some fairly easy ways for her to FINALLY GTFO from slaver's bay and do something for the first time in 2 books so there is still hope. Jon snow parts i thought could have been shorter which should have been used to resolve at least 1 of the 2 cliff hangers regarding him. I liked the Dany parts well enough, I just wished that there had been more development -- still feels like her story is taking a long time to go anywhere. But I think her decision to stay in Qarth to learn how to rule and her commitment to being just and fair was pretty amazing -- like, she might actually make a good ruler. Granted Qarth isn't the place for her, but still. Also, her dragons finally getting big enough to be interesting was total win. | ||
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
On May 30 2012 14:05 dormer wrote: I liked the Dany parts well enough, I just wished that there had been more development -- still feels like her story is taking a long time to go anywhere. But I think her decision to stay in Qarth to learn how to rule and her commitment to being just and fair was pretty amazing -- like, she might actually make a good ruler. Granted Qarth isn't the place for her, but still. Also, her dragons finally getting big enough to be interesting was total win. You mean slavers bay  she and qarth are at war right now.Regarding ruling: it only proved she can't rule since no one really likes her and society obviously doesn't function without the slave trade. By staying she made enemies, got people killed, and worse of all her story went NOWHERE for the first 900 pages. Honestly she probably could have been out of there and going to asshai by page 600 which i still think is a likely possibility for book 6 after convincing khal Jhago to smash the enemy host on the ground and victarion/his red priest to defeat the enemy fleet. | ||
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Quexana
98 Posts
On May 30 2012 14:01 ionlyplayPROtoss wrote: ^I'm sorry but the 3 queens are cersei, dany, and...? Theon and ramsy were amazing, but the dany garbage really cannot be overlooked, all she did was whine and have sex with daario for the most part. Then again, I see some fairly easy ways for her to FINALLY GTFO from slaver's bay and do something for the first time in 2 books so there is still hope. Jon snow parts i thought could have been shorter which should have been used to resolve at least 1 of the 2 cliff hangers regarding him. The three queens cersei, dany, and margaery tyrell. While I will admit that the Dany chapters aren't the most thrilling GRRM ever wrote (except for the dragon riding) they are important. Dany wants to rule seven kingdoms, the problem is that she has no idea what it really means to rule anything. She has no idea about what it's like dealing with the day to day minutae of a city like Mareen, how does she expect to deal with the competing factions and loyalties of seven kingdoms? How long would you expect her to survive in the snake's pit that is King's Landing? Mareen is her training for what she's going to have to do after her conquest of Westeros is over. In Mareen she's wrestling with a lot of the same issues that Robert Baratheon struggled and failed at during his reign as King. He disdained the minutae of politics (counting coppers) and did everything he could to avoid it. Dany is learning that she can't avoid it, and though at first she finds ways to run away from it (first figuratively in the arms of Daario, then literally on the back of Drogon) she comes to realize that she has to return and actually lead. Could that story have been told shorter, and in a more entertaining way? Perhaps, but it's part of her story that needed to be told. | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
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Quexana
98 Posts
On May 30 2012 14:21 SoMuchBetter wrote: Sending Jorah away was the one of the worst decision she made. Without Jorah telling her what to do she ends up wasting an entire book sitting around doing nothing and falling into hilariously obvious traps Jorah's not doing so hot without her either. | ||
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
On May 30 2012 14:21 Quexana wrote: The three queens cersei, dany, and margaery tyrell. While I will admit that the Dany chapters aren't the most thrilling GRRM ever wrote (except for the dragon riding) they are important. Dany wants to rule seven kingdoms, the problem is that she has no idea what it really means to rule anything. She has no idea about what it's like dealing with the day to day minutae of a city like Mareen, how does she expect to deal with the competing factions and loyalties of seven kingdoms? How long would you expect her to survive in the snake's pit that is King's Landing? Mareen is her training for what she's going to have to do after her conquest of Westeros is over. In Mareen she's wrestling with a lot of the same issues that Robert Baratheon struggled and failed at during his reign as King. He disdained the minutae of politics (counting coppers) and did everything he could to avoid it. Dany is learning that she can't avoid it, and though at first she finds ways to run away from it (first figuratively in the arms of Daario, then literally on the back of Drogon) she comes to realize that she has to return and actually lead. Could that story have been told shorter, perhaps, but it's part of her story that needed to be told. The entire book minus riding away on dragon was Danerys Targaryen cannot fucking rule to save her life, and the bigger slap in the face is we now have Aegon the 6th (who I believe is real) who has been trained to rule and have a better claim than Dany pops out of nowhere and essentially makes it so that she doesn't even need to rule despite the fact the entire book was her trying and failing miserably to rule. At least she can hopefully go to asshai now -_- | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
On May 30 2012 13:30 Antisocialmunky wrote: From the other thread: http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/05/29/game-of-throne-season-3-cast/ What the FACK? Everyone's ... they're like not cutting anyone out, apparently. I'm really excited about this but at the same time confused. Bran clearly took Jojen's role as the Greenseer... I guess he can be the Obi Wan to Bran's Luke, but still. Also, fuckyeah blackfish! | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17637 Posts
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Quexana
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On May 30 2012 14:31 Crazyeyes wrote: What the FACK? Everyone's ... they're like not cutting anyone out, apparently. I'm really excited about this but at the same time confused. Bran clearly took Jojen's role as the Greenseer... I guess he can be the Obi Wan to Bran's Luke, but still. Also, fuckyeah blackfish! I really don't think the Reeds are necessary at this point. I was kinda hoping Osha would take Bran to find the 3 eyed Raven and Maester Liuwin would take Rickon to obsurity for a few seasons. Between Bran's Greenseer vision's and Osha's Wildling wisdom, they could have accomplished pretty much everything the Reeds were suppossed to accomplish. I am happy though to see The Blackfish and Beric Dondarrion. I can't wait for Beric's duel with the Hound. | ||
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