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On May 30 2012 11:08 bayside wrote:
Meh who cares about the rob/catelyn line, they all die horrible deaths at the hands of the Freys anyways... I'm about 60% through book 3, and its kindve like wtf? It has been very hard to get back into the series after that, because the Lannisters are just so OP, Im at the point now where I pretty much know stannis is going to become king, and the Dornish are going to kill all the lannisters in a terrible terrible fashion.... only question is, where does Dany come in... Meh I think the show will lose a huge amount of followers when Rob dies... they have strayed quite a bit from the book as well (lots of things from book 3 are already in the season, while blackwater was the last thing to happen...)
I don't think that the show will lose any significant viewer base after Rob dies. The Lannisters get dealt mighty blows soon thereafter, such as Cersei's imprisonment by the Church, Tywin's murder by Tyrion, Tyrion's exile, Jamie's hand getting cut off, etc., etc. George R.R. Martin has a way of balancing which I find very adept and satisfying. People will recognize that.
And, actually, the episode "Blackwater" is the second-to-last episode in the current season of the show. So, while GOT the show is straying a bit, in fairly minor ways, usually, except for Dany's dragons being stolen, from ASOIAF the books, the timeline of the Blackwater River conflict is very consistent with the novels.
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On May 30 2012 14:36 Manit0u wrote:
I already told you that the Greyjoys are going to pay the iron price for the iron throne. Any other ending would be disappointing. I know that they don't really care about it and have no interest in doing so, but just for the lulz they could take it and tell everyone to GTFO and forget about it.
LOL.....read a little bit more into the series and you will quickly see that this is NOT the case.
Also, my theory is that the Iron Throne will not end up being the end-point for GRRM's stories. One can tell he is actively trying to show how ridiculous the conflict of the Iron Throne is. The REAL conflict will lie in the North.....the VERY North.
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Regarding the Dany story, I feel there is a better way to handle that. I know it's supposed to be the Song of Ice and FIRE, but honestly in the first 3 books, I'm not convinced we actually needed Dany's PoV. Everything is so drawn out and felt more like padding. I don't know how you would do it, but I think you could handle a lot of that information via rumour from overseas particularly through Varys and then give her a PoV in the later books. It doesn't quite match the Ice and Fire part, but it's a plot that spins its wheels for book after books.
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On May 30 2012 14:41 Nuclease wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 11:08 bayside wrote:
Meh who cares about the rob/catelyn line, they all die horrible deaths at the hands of the Freys anyways... I'm about 60% through book 3, and its kindve like wtf? It has been very hard to get back into the series after that, because the Lannisters are just so OP, Im at the point now where I pretty much know stannis is going to become king, and the Dornish are going to kill all the lannisters in a terrible terrible fashion.... only question is, where does Dany come in... Meh I think the show will lose a huge amount of followers when Rob dies... they have strayed quite a bit from the book as well (lots of things from book 3 are already in the season, while blackwater was the last thing to happen...) I don't think that the show will lose any significant viewer base after Rob dies. The Lannisters get dealt mighty blows soon thereafter, such as Cersei's imprisonment by the Church, Tywin's murder by Tyrion, Tyrion's exile, Jamie's hand getting cut off, etc., etc. George R.R. Martin has a way of balancing which I find very adept and satisfying. People will recognize that. And, actually, the episode "Blackwater" is the second-to-last episode in the current season of the show. So, while GOT the show is straying a bit, in fairly minor ways, usually, except for Dany's dragons being stolen, from ASOIAF the books, the timeline of the Blackwater River conflict is very consistent with the novels.
Since Book 3 is going to be 2 seasons, none of what you talk about is going to happen in part 1 (except hand getting cut of) and Cersei imprisonment is not going to happen who know how long.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 30 2012 14:21 Quexana wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 14:01 ionlyplayPROtoss wrote:On May 30 2012 13:40 Quexana wrote:On May 30 2012 12:58 ionlyplayPROtoss wrote:On May 30 2012 12:40 1Eris1 wrote:
the last half of a ASOS is probably some of the best fantasy literature I've ever read. keep reading.
now if only the continuing books lived up to that standard... They weren't THAT bad :l. I'd agree with you on the 4th book, but I loved "A Dance with Dragons". Arya's chapters and the Theon/Ramsey stuff was amazing. The Jon Snow storyline was very good too. ^I'm sorry but the 3 queens are cersei, dany, and...? Theon and ramsy were amazing, but the dany garbage really cannot be overlooked, all she did was whine and have sex with daario for the most part. Then again, I see some fairly easy ways for her to FINALLY GTFO from slaver's bay and do something for the first time in 2 books so there is still hope. Jon snow parts i thought could have been shorter which should have been used to resolve at least 1 of the 2 cliff hangers regarding him. The three queens cersei, dany, and margaery tyrell. While I will admit that the Dany chapters aren't the most thrilling GRRM ever wrote (except for the dragon riding) they are important. Dany wants to rule seven kingdoms, the problem is that she has no idea what it really means to rule anything. She has no idea about what it's like dealing with the day to day minutae of a city like Mareen, how does she expect to deal with the competing factions and loyalties of seven kingdoms? How long would you expect her to survive in the snake's pit that is King's Landing? Mareen is her training for what she's going to have to do after her conquest of Westeros is over. In Mareen she's wrestling with a lot of the same issues that Robert Baratheon struggled and failed at during his reign as King. He disdained the minutae of politics (counting coppers) and did everything he could to avoid it. Dany is learning that she can't avoid it, and though at first she finds ways to run away from it (first figuratively in the arms of Daario, then literally on the back of Drogon) she comes to realize that she has to return and actually lead. Could that story have been told shorter, and in a more entertaining way? Perhaps, but it's part of her story that needed to be told.
Robert's situation is different than Dany's because of their personalities. Robert knew how to lead, the guy was practically considered a prodigy on the battle field and his men adored him. Not to say being a battle commander automatically makes you a good king, but Robert had the qualities there to become at least a decent king, not the abysmal one he was. The problem for Robert was that he was like a bird in a cage once he took the throne. He wanted to hunt, sleep around (still didn't stop him), marry who he liked, joust and all the other things he adored, but as king he obviously couldn't either do a lot of those things or do them enough to appease his appetite. He anticipated as king he'd have the freedom to do anything, but in reality for him it was like a prison. So, like a child he lashed out, he didn't want to do things like "count the coins", listen to the hand or take responsibility for things. There's plenty of scenes in first book where he demonstrates his resentment for Jon and Eddard giving him the throne rather than taking it for themselves.
Dany on the other hand seems to bestow loyalty in some followers with her personality and looks, but otherwise she's just been an all around poor leader. She tries to change things and mend cultures to her beliefs, but it just leads to people resenting her and she can't seem to figure out that not everyone believes in the same moralities as she does. You can't change an entire culture just because it hurts your feelings. She trusts based on her emotions rather than her brain. Now she's stuck surrounded by the enemy and most likely would lose the war if not for all the luck that's about to go her way.
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On May 30 2012 14:47 Falling wrote:
Regarding the Dany story, I feel there is a better way to handle that. I know it's supposed to be the Song of Ice and FIRE, but honestly in the first 3 books, I'm not convinced we actually needed Dany's PoV. Everything is so drawn out and felt more like padding. I don't know how you would do it, but I think you could handle a lot of that information via rumour from overseas particularly through Varys and then give her a PoV in the later books. It doesn't quite match the Ice and Fire part, but it's a plot that spins its wheels for book after books.
The povs are necessary because she holds the balance of power with the dragons. Like i said earlier sye shouldnt have tried to marry hiz someshit but broker a peace with qarth in exchange for ships and be on her way to either westeros or asshai by page 600. Victarion will need to do something else though and i cant think of what at the moment.
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Hey was wondering what people here thought:
What's going to be the big dramatic conclusion to this season? Book 1's was pretty darned obvious with the dragons, but Book 2?
In the books it's Bran leaving Winterfell, but since we know he's alive in there it's certainly not as dramatic as it could be, and thus I don't know if it will remain as the season closer.
Will it be "Whitebeard"? Will it still be Bran? Theon?
Will it be something from the opening of the third book? Like Davos washing up on a rock?
Imo it still will be bran leaving winterfell combined with Theon getting overrun. A friend of mine made the argument that television audiences might not be as interested in Selmy appearing for that to be enough of a closing scene.
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On May 30 2012 15:10 bittman wrote:
Hey was wondering what people here thought:
What's going to be the big dramatic conclusion to this season? Book 1's was pretty darned obvious with the dragons, but Book 2?
In the books it's Bran leaving Winterfell, but since we know he's alive in there it's certainly not as dramatic as it could be, and thus I don't know if it will remain as the season closer.
Will it be "Whitebeard"? Will it still be Bran? Theon?
Will it be something from the opening of the third book? Like Davos washing up on a rock?
Imo it still will be bran leaving winterfell combined with Theon getting overrun. A friend of mine made the argument that television audiences might not be as interested in Selmy appearing for that to be enough of a closing scene.
Well. Remember the Prologue of ASOS?
Three blasts?
Epsiode 10 is called Three Blasts. So we've got that. That's pretty big. When I read that I was like :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
and then the book just forgets about it for a few hours.
On May 30 2012 14:47 Falling wrote:
Regarding the Dany story, I feel there is a better way to handle that. I know it's supposed to be the Song of Ice and FIRE, but honestly in the first 3 books, I'm not convinced we actually needed Dany's PoV. Everything is so drawn out and felt more like padding. I don't know how you would do it, but I think you could handle a lot of that information via rumour from overseas particularly through Varys and then give her a PoV in the later books. It doesn't quite match the Ice and Fire part, but it's a plot that spins its wheels for book after books.
I don't know, I don't uflly agree. Dany was awesome in book 1 and I quite enjoyed her. In book two she was sorta boring but she had her moments, and again in book 3 she was exciting. Stealing the army, conquering shit. It was fun.
But yes in book 5 she was awful, and in the show I don't find her interesting at all. Especially since she refuses to show her boobies anymore.
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Episode 10 isn't called three blasts, it's called "Valar Morghulis". However there is a part of the soundtrack for that episode that is called three blasts.
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I'm guessing the "three blasts" song will be for the end of the episode. That is one hell of a cliffhanger though if they choose to end it on that, lol.
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On May 30 2012 14:47 Falling wrote:
Regarding the Dany story, I feel there is a better way to handle that. I know it's supposed to be the Song of Ice and FIRE, but honestly in the first 3 books, I'm not convinced we actually needed Dany's PoV. Everything is so drawn out and felt more like padding. I don't know how you would do it, but I think you could handle a lot of that information via rumour from overseas particularly through Varys and then give her a PoV in the later books. It doesn't quite match the Ice and Fire part, but it's a plot that spins its wheels for book after books.
I also agree. What i personally think is that she is going to be a big part in the end game of the series and he is just keeping her here so that when she does play a big role you don't say to yourself "Who the fuck is this person."
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On May 30 2012 14:50 LeaD wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 30 2012 14:21 Quexana wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 14:01 ionlyplayPROtoss wrote:On May 30 2012 13:40 Quexana wrote:On May 30 2012 12:58 ionlyplayPROtoss wrote:On May 30 2012 12:40 1Eris1 wrote:
the last half of a ASOS is probably some of the best fantasy literature I've ever read. keep reading.
now if only the continuing books lived up to that standard... They weren't THAT bad :l. I'd agree with you on the 4th book, but I loved "A Dance with Dragons". Arya's chapters and the Theon/Ramsey stuff was amazing. The Jon Snow storyline was very good too. ^I'm sorry but the 3 queens are cersei, dany, and...? Theon and ramsy were amazing, but the dany garbage really cannot be overlooked, all she did was whine and have sex with daario for the most part. Then again, I see some fairly easy ways for her to FINALLY GTFO from slaver's bay and do something for the first time in 2 books so there is still hope. Jon snow parts i thought could have been shorter which should have been used to resolve at least 1 of the 2 cliff hangers regarding him. The three queens cersei, dany, and margaery tyrell. While I will admit that the Dany chapters aren't the most thrilling GRRM ever wrote (except for the dragon riding) they are important. Dany wants to rule seven kingdoms, the problem is that she has no idea what it really means to rule anything. She has no idea about what it's like dealing with the day to day minutae of a city like Mareen, how does she expect to deal with the competing factions and loyalties of seven kingdoms? How long would you expect her to survive in the snake's pit that is King's Landing? Mareen is her training for what she's going to have to do after her conquest of Westeros is over. In Mareen she's wrestling with a lot of the same issues that Robert Baratheon struggled and failed at during his reign as King. He disdained the minutae of politics (counting coppers) and did everything he could to avoid it. Dany is learning that she can't avoid it, and though at first she finds ways to run away from it (first figuratively in the arms of Daario, then literally on the back of Drogon) she comes to realize that she has to return and actually lead. Could that story have been told shorter, and in a more entertaining way? Perhaps, but it's part of her story that needed to be told. Robert's situation is different than Dany's because of their personalities. Robert knew how to lead, the guy was practically considered a prodigy on the battle field and his men adored him. Not to say being a battle commander automatically makes you a good king, but Robert had the qualities there to become at least a decent king, not the abysmal one he was. The problem for Robert was that he was like a bird in a cage once he took the throne. He wanted to hunt, sleep around (still didn't stop him), marry who he liked, joust and all the other things he adored, but as king he obviously couldn't either do a lot of those things or do them enough to appease his appetite. He anticipated as king he'd have the freedom to do anything, but in reality for him it was like a prison. So, like a child he lashed out, he didn't want to do things like "count the coins", listen to the hand or take responsibility for things. There's plenty of scenes in first book where he demonstrates his resentment for Jon and Eddard giving him the throne rather than taking it for themselves. Dany on the other hand seems to bestow loyalty in some followers with her personality and looks, but otherwise she's just been an all around poor leader. She tries to change things and mend cultures to her beliefs, but it just leads to people resenting her and she can't seem to figure out that not everyone believes in the same moralities as she does. You can't change an entire culture just because it hurts your feelings. She trusts based on her emotions rather than her brain. Now she's stuck surrounded by the enemy and most likely would lose the war if not for all the luck that's about to go her way.
On the other hand, Dany was still a dumb and naive teenage girl and she needed to grow up and become a queen. That was what her chapters in ADWD were about, culminating in the final chapter when she regains what made her an awesome character in ASOS and flipping the Targaryen coin back to greatness. I think Dany's chapters were really plagued with GRRM's lack of inspiration in the last few years. He seemed particularly apathetic about finishing ADWD especially, especially since he had half the book written six or seven years ago and only managed to finish it with very substandard quality (by his standards) at the end of 2010. So, yeah, Dany gained a lot of haters in ADWD, but I think GRRM's personal problems with finishing the book (he was especially apathetic about the Meereenese knot as you may recall) really didn't do Dany justice as a character. I think that you shouldn't judge Dany based on ADWD because God knows, if we used ADWD to be a basis of judgement for the series, ASOIAF will not have the fans it has today.
By the way, you're giving Robert too much credit. He was a charismatic man and thirsted for battle, and was pretty much the most stereotypical brawler in the ASOIAF universe. He was a good battle captain and melee warrior but was never famed for his strategical or even tactical mind. He wasn't a good commander. In fact, Ned was his commander and lead his van for most of the rebellion.
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I will start to watch the TV series now I guess....However. The book strongly disappointed me (just finished reading the last one)... There is not a single character left in the book that I really like. Where's the fun in reading the books if you are always like chapter1: "meh..dont like him" chapter2: "oh not her again"...chapter3: "well about you I dont care at all"....and so on
And then of those great and awesome direwolfs... there are how many left? like 3? They haven't played ANY role in the book apart from getting slauhtered and their heads getting put on human bodies. And from Rickon I haven't heard in like what? 1 1/2 books?
By now I just hope Daenerys flies to Westeros, kills everyone and be done with it -.-
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Found this in the other thread:
I'd say Barristan Selmy or Sandor Clegane is probably the best, but you gotta give Jaime a hand, too.
Not sure if somebody is trolling, or it's just a coincidence, but I laughed a bit on this sentence. They sure would need to give jamie a hand.. poor boy lacks hands xD
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On May 30 2012 14:50 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 14:41 Nuclease wrote:On May 30 2012 11:08 bayside wrote:
Meh who cares about the rob/catelyn line, they all die horrible deaths at the hands of the Freys anyways... I'm about 60% through book 3, and its kindve like wtf? It has been very hard to get back into the series after that, because the Lannisters are just so OP, Im at the point now where I pretty much know stannis is going to become king, and the Dornish are going to kill all the lannisters in a terrible terrible fashion.... only question is, where does Dany come in... Meh I think the show will lose a huge amount of followers when Rob dies... they have strayed quite a bit from the book as well (lots of things from book 3 are already in the season, while blackwater was the last thing to happen...) I don't think that the show will lose any significant viewer base after Rob dies. The Lannisters get dealt mighty blows soon thereafter, such as Cersei's imprisonment by the Church, Tywin's murder by Tyrion, Tyrion's exile, Jamie's hand getting cut off, etc., etc. George R.R. Martin has a way of balancing which I find very adept and satisfying. People will recognize that. And, actually, the episode "Blackwater" is the second-to-last episode in the current season of the show. So, while GOT the show is straying a bit, in fairly minor ways, usually, except for Dany's dragons being stolen, from ASOIAF the books, the timeline of the Blackwater River conflict is very consistent with the novels. Since Book 3 is going to be 2 seasons, none of what you talk about is going to happen in part 1 (except hand getting cut of) and Cersei imprisonment is not going to happen who know how long.
Recognize the part where I say that people will recognize that GRRM will balance out the series. That doesn't mean that they have to have INSTANT results from GOT or GRRM. There is no way that people are just going to say, oh, well, Rob died, guess this show sucks now.
Moreover, you can't just assume that you know how the two seasons are going to be split. For all you know, much and more will happen to the Lannisters (Joffrey's assassination for example) very early on. The TV series CAN, even though it hasn't much, split from the timeline at ANY GIVEN POINT. Just the fact that they are making two seasons for one book's plot suggests that they have something new in mind for it because they have only given each book one season so far. So, you make a lot of sketchy assumptions in this post.
People will see that GRRM balances out. Always. Just the fact that he kills off (most of) the Starks after their quick rise to power indicates that he searches for balance in plot, attempting not to favor a family. The Lannister's time will come.
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On May 30 2012 19:19 Ficetool wrote:
I will start to watch the TV series now I guess....However. The book strongly disappointed me (just finished reading the last one)... There is not a single character left in the book that I really like. Where's the fun in reading the books if you are always like chapter1: "meh..dont like him" chapter2: "oh not her again"...chapter3: "well about you I dont care at all"....and so on
And then of those great and awesome direwolfs... there are how many left? like 3? They haven't played ANY role in the book apart from getting slauhtered and their heads getting put on human bodies. And from Rickon I haven't heard in like what? 1 1/2 books?
By now I just hope Daenerys flies to Westeros, kills everyone and be done with it -.-
On the above, I don't think you can really rule out the Direwolves at all. Especially in Jon Snow's parts, there is a lot of hinting that Ghost will become a huge factor in the coming battles against the forces of the North, especially seeing as Melisandre said that he would be the only "defense against traitors in the darkness." Seeing as he has been killed, which is, in my estimation, going to be temporary, some jumping-off point for Ghost has to be reached. Seeing as two books remain in the planned series, you can't rule out the wolves. Also, Arya constantly has dreams which are clearly skinchanger dreams, in which she takes on the form and consciousness of her wolf which still lives in Westeros. No one ever killed her wolf, it just ran off. It's not a coincidence that a large pack of wolves with one enormous, queen wolf (clearly the direwolf Nymeria) lives in the exact spot that Arya cast Nymeria off into the woods in that same place. That will become a bigger issue, I'm sure, as she comes to better or worse terms with who she is as a Stark in the Temple of the Many-Faced God. Moreover, those dreams and those animals have been vital to Arya because it is the last remnant of her identity as, literally and figuratively, a wolf. Not only have they been vital to Arya, but Bran would have no reason for living and would never have realized that he was a Greenseer without his Direwolf, Rickon would not be revealed to be a complex and angry child without the attitude of Shaggydog to show it, and Jon Snow's storyline would not hold nearly as much mystery, duality between the wild and the tame, or nearly as much badassery.
Finally, the reason you haven't heard from Rickon in 1.5 books is largely because GRRM split the same space in time up in to two books, one of which focused purely on one set of characters and the other book another set of characters. Rickon was caught between both of those sets of characters but did not truly belong to one. Moreover, Rickon's only traveling. He doesn't have much to tell that Bran can't reveal while also expanding the plot. However, we do know something of Rickon. In Davos' chapters, Lord Manderley of White Harbor reveals that he means to overthrow the Boltons, etc., and that he has a Stark which can prove their innocence and cause for treason. It can't be Bran, Jon, or Arya, because we know where they all are. We know that Rickon set off to go South (and White Harbor is South of Winterfell), but he is the only one we didn't know everything about. So we can conclude that we have Rickon accounted for and we'll be hearing from him soon. Patience!
I rest mah case.
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On May 30 2012 22:08 Nuclease wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 14:50 -Archangel- wrote:On May 30 2012 14:41 Nuclease wrote:On May 30 2012 11:08 bayside wrote:
Meh who cares about the rob/catelyn line, they all die horrible deaths at the hands of the Freys anyways... I'm about 60% through book 3, and its kindve like wtf? It has been very hard to get back into the series after that, because the Lannisters are just so OP, Im at the point now where I pretty much know stannis is going to become king, and the Dornish are going to kill all the lannisters in a terrible terrible fashion.... only question is, where does Dany come in... Meh I think the show will lose a huge amount of followers when Rob dies... they have strayed quite a bit from the book as well (lots of things from book 3 are already in the season, while blackwater was the last thing to happen...) I don't think that the show will lose any significant viewer base after Rob dies. The Lannisters get dealt mighty blows soon thereafter, such as Cersei's imprisonment by the Church, Tywin's murder by Tyrion, Tyrion's exile, Jamie's hand getting cut off, etc., etc. George R.R. Martin has a way of balancing which I find very adept and satisfying. People will recognize that. And, actually, the episode "Blackwater" is the second-to-last episode in the current season of the show. So, while GOT the show is straying a bit, in fairly minor ways, usually, except for Dany's dragons being stolen, from ASOIAF the books, the timeline of the Blackwater River conflict is very consistent with the novels. Since Book 3 is going to be 2 seasons, none of what you talk about is going to happen in part 1 (except hand getting cut of) and Cersei imprisonment is not going to happen who know how long. Recognize the part where I say that people will recognize that GRRM will balance out the series. That doesn't mean that they have to have INSTANT results from GOT or GRRM. There is no way that people are just going to say, oh, well, Rob died, guess this show sucks now. Moreover, you can't just assume that you know how the two seasons are going to be split. For all you know, much and more will happen to the Lannisters (Joffrey's assassination for example) very early on. The TV series CAN, even though it hasn't much, split from the timeline at ANY GIVEN POINT. Just the fact that they are making two seasons for one book's plot suggests that they have something new in mind for it because they have only given each book one season so far. So, you make a lot of sketchy assumptions in this post. People will see that GRRM balances out. Always. Just the fact that he kills off (most of) the Starks after their quick rise to power indicates that he searches for balance in plot, attempting not to favor a family. The Lannister's time will come.
Well let's remember teh 3rd book is the biggest so they need 3-4 extra episodes to just fit everything in like they have already done.
I will still say that 3-4 episodes in the next 2 seasons will revolve around the back stories we heard about in the inner monologues. I feel that the world isn't as flushed out yet.
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On May 30 2012 22:08 Nuclease wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 14:50 -Archangel- wrote:On May 30 2012 14:41 Nuclease wrote:On May 30 2012 11:08 bayside wrote:
Meh who cares about the rob/catelyn line, they all die horrible deaths at the hands of the Freys anyways... I'm about 60% through book 3, and its kindve like wtf? It has been very hard to get back into the series after that, because the Lannisters are just so OP, Im at the point now where I pretty much know stannis is going to become king, and the Dornish are going to kill all the lannisters in a terrible terrible fashion.... only question is, where does Dany come in... Meh I think the show will lose a huge amount of followers when Rob dies... they have strayed quite a bit from the book as well (lots of things from book 3 are already in the season, while blackwater was the last thing to happen...) I don't think that the show will lose any significant viewer base after Rob dies. The Lannisters get dealt mighty blows soon thereafter, such as Cersei's imprisonment by the Church, Tywin's murder by Tyrion, Tyrion's exile, Jamie's hand getting cut off, etc., etc. George R.R. Martin has a way of balancing which I find very adept and satisfying. People will recognize that. And, actually, the episode "Blackwater" is the second-to-last episode in the current season of the show. So, while GOT the show is straying a bit, in fairly minor ways, usually, except for Dany's dragons being stolen, from ASOIAF the books, the timeline of the Blackwater River conflict is very consistent with the novels. Since Book 3 is going to be 2 seasons, none of what you talk about is going to happen in part 1 (except hand getting cut of) and Cersei imprisonment is not going to happen who know how long. Recognize the part where I say that people will recognize that GRRM will balance out the series. That doesn't mean that they have to have INSTANT results from GOT or GRRM. There is no way that people are just going to say, oh, well, Rob died, guess this show sucks now. Moreover, you can't just assume that you know how the two seasons are going to be split. For all you know, much and more will happen to the Lannisters (Joffrey's assassination for example) very early on. The TV series CAN, even though it hasn't much, split from the timeline at ANY GIVEN POINT. Just the fact that they are making two seasons for one book's plot suggests that they have something new in mind for it because they have only given each book one season so far. So, you make a lot of sketchy assumptions in this post. People will see that GRRM balances out. Always. Just the fact that he kills off (most of) the Starks after their quick rise to power indicates that he searches for balance in plot, attempting not to favor a family. The Lannister's time will come.
That's a very good observation. I remember reading AGOT for the first time and thinking that the Starks would destroy the Lannisters with the power of the North, the Riverlands, the Vale and the Iron Islands against the Westerlands, especially with a potential alliance with the Reach and the Crownlands on the cards. Starks and Renly were OP but then GRRM gave the Lannisters some thickass plot armour and Theon turned out traitor, Lysa turned out crazy, the Tully family turned out utterly incompetent except for the Blackfish, Renly turned out dead and Stannis turned out like Stannis.
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On May 30 2012 22:44 1ntrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 22:08 Nuclease wrote:On May 30 2012 14:50 -Archangel- wrote:On May 30 2012 14:41 Nuclease wrote:On May 30 2012 11:08 bayside wrote:
Meh who cares about the rob/catelyn line, they all die horrible deaths at the hands of the Freys anyways... I'm about 60% through book 3, and its kindve like wtf? It has been very hard to get back into the series after that, because the Lannisters are just so OP, Im at the point now where I pretty much know stannis is going to become king, and the Dornish are going to kill all the lannisters in a terrible terrible fashion.... only question is, where does Dany come in... Meh I think the show will lose a huge amount of followers when Rob dies... they have strayed quite a bit from the book as well (lots of things from book 3 are already in the season, while blackwater was the last thing to happen...) I don't think that the show will lose any significant viewer base after Rob dies. The Lannisters get dealt mighty blows soon thereafter, such as Cersei's imprisonment by the Church, Tywin's murder by Tyrion, Tyrion's exile, Jamie's hand getting cut off, etc., etc. George R.R. Martin has a way of balancing which I find very adept and satisfying. People will recognize that. And, actually, the episode "Blackwater" is the second-to-last episode in the current season of the show. So, while GOT the show is straying a bit, in fairly minor ways, usually, except for Dany's dragons being stolen, from ASOIAF the books, the timeline of the Blackwater River conflict is very consistent with the novels. Since Book 3 is going to be 2 seasons, none of what you talk about is going to happen in part 1 (except hand getting cut of) and Cersei imprisonment is not going to happen who know how long. Recognize the part where I say that people will recognize that GRRM will balance out the series. That doesn't mean that they have to have INSTANT results from GOT or GRRM. There is no way that people are just going to say, oh, well, Rob died, guess this show sucks now. Moreover, you can't just assume that you know how the two seasons are going to be split. For all you know, much and more will happen to the Lannisters (Joffrey's assassination for example) very early on. The TV series CAN, even though it hasn't much, split from the timeline at ANY GIVEN POINT. Just the fact that they are making two seasons for one book's plot suggests that they have something new in mind for it because they have only given each book one season so far. So, you make a lot of sketchy assumptions in this post. People will see that GRRM balances out. Always. Just the fact that he kills off (most of) the Starks after their quick rise to power indicates that he searches for balance in plot, attempting not to favor a family. The Lannister's time will come. That's a very good observation. I remember reading AGOT for the first time and thinking that the Starks would destroy the Lannisters with the power of the North, the Riverlands, the Vale and the Iron Islands against the Westerlands, especially with a potential alliance with the Reach and the Crownlands on the cards. Starks and Renly were OP but then GRRM gave the Lannisters some thickass plot armour and Theon turned out traitor, Lysa turned out crazy, the Tully family turned out utterly incompetent except for the Blackfish, Renly turned out dead and Stannis turned out like Stannis.
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As one poster above said what I hated most about ADWD was what he did with Dany's character. The Dany from book 3 was the best ruler we've seen so far by far. She had nothing at the start but a few ships and she ended up conquering 3 slave cities and amassed a huge army. Her troops loved her, she was smart in battle tactics and made all the right moves. Then in book 5 she turns into a teenage ditz with a love crush and does nothing useful through the whole novel. Its a shame her story held up the book for so long when it ended up being by far the worst of the novel anyway -_-.
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