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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15359 Posts
May 30 2012 14:24 GMT
#2701
Did you guys see this? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117511-Game-of-Thrones-Season-3-Details-Surface

Especially: Jojen and Meera Reed

I am wondering why they are introducing them after all. When Bran and co fled from Winterfell I thought OK, in order to make it work on TV they cut the Reeds from it. Wonder how they will introduce them now. Maybe they'll just meet somewhere in the woods - that would be kind of disappointing.

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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
May 30 2012 14:28 GMT
#2702
Ludwin might introduce them if they don't resolve the Siege of Winterfell until next season.
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-30 16:28:32
May 30 2012 16:26 GMT
#2703
On May 30 2012 03:58 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 03:56 Conti wrote:
EW.com: 'Game of Thrones' scoop: Season 3 character list revealed -- EXCLUSIVE

Reeds are in! Rejoice!


thanks for link.

I'm excited to the Olenna, love how her bodyguards were named left and right haha

Red Viper? Where s my Red Viper? Cas Anvar looked really good for the role, but i guess he'll be Daario then...
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Flik
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada256 Posts
May 30 2012 17:04 GMT
#2704
On May 30 2012 22:17 Nuclease wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 19:19 Ficetool wrote:
I will start to watch the TV series now I guess....However. The book strongly disappointed me (just finished reading the last one)... There is not a single character left in the book that I really like. Where's the fun in reading the books if you are always like chapter1: "meh..dont like him" chapter2: "oh not her again"...chapter3: "well about you I dont care at all"....and so on

And then of those great and awesome direwolfs... there are how many left? like 3? They haven't played ANY role in the book apart from getting slauhtered and their heads getting put on human bodies. And from Rickon I haven't heard in like what? 1 1/2 books?

By now I just hope Daenerys flies to Westeros, kills everyone and be done with it -.-


On the above, I don't think you can really rule out the Direwolves at all. Especially in Jon Snow's parts, there is a lot of hinting that Ghost will become a huge factor in the coming battles against the forces of the North, especially seeing as Melisandre said that he would be the only "defense against traitors in the darkness." Seeing as he has been killed, which is, in my estimation, going to be temporary, some jumping-off point for Ghost has to be reached. Seeing as two books remain in the planned series, you can't rule out the wolves. Also, Arya constantly has dreams which are clearly skinchanger dreams, in which she takes on the form and consciousness of her wolf which still lives in Westeros. No one ever killed her wolf, it just ran off. It's not a coincidence that a large pack of wolves with one enormous, queen wolf (clearly the direwolf Nymeria) lives in the exact spot that Arya cast Nymeria off into the woods in that same place. That will become a bigger issue, I'm sure, as she comes to better or worse terms with who she is as a Stark in the Temple of the Many-Faced God. Moreover, those dreams and those animals have been vital to Arya because it is the last remnant of her identity as, literally and figuratively, a wolf. Not only have they been vital to Arya, but Bran would have no reason for living and would never have realized that he was a Greenseer without his Direwolf, Rickon would not be revealed to be a complex and angry child without the attitude of Shaggydog to show it, and Jon Snow's storyline would not hold nearly as much mystery, duality between the wild and the tame, or nearly as much badassery.

Finally, the reason you haven't heard from Rickon in 1.5 books is largely because GRRM split the same space in time up in to two books, one of which focused purely on one set of characters and the other book another set of characters. Rickon was caught between both of those sets of characters but did not truly belong to one. Moreover, Rickon's only traveling. He doesn't have much to tell that Bran can't reveal while also expanding the plot. However, we do know something of Rickon. In Davos' chapters, Lord Manderley of White Harbor reveals that he means to overthrow the Boltons, etc., and that he has a Stark which can prove their innocence and cause for treason. It can't be Bran, Jon, or Arya, because we know where they all are. We know that Rickon set off to go South (and White Harbor is South of Winterfell), but he is the only one we didn't know everything about. So we can conclude that we have Rickon accounted for and we'll be hearing from him soon. Patience!

I rest mah case.


Good post! I remember while reading the Arya storyline I just kept hoping that she would find her wolf and her and Nymeria would start doing some serious killing. I also remember reading the first book hoping that the Dothraki would go to Westeros soon so we could start this badass war...

Now that Ive been informed that a song from the last episode is titled "3 Blasts" I think its pretty obvious what the big cliffhanger for season 3 will be.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
May 30 2012 17:14 GMT
#2705
On May 30 2012 23:24 zatic wrote:
Did you guys see this? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117511-Game-of-Thrones-Season-3-Details-Surface

Especially: Jojen and Meera Reed

I am wondering why they are introducing them after all. When Bran and co fled from Winterfell I thought OK, in order to make it work on TV they cut the Reeds from it. Wonder how they will introduce them now. Maybe they'll just meet somewhere in the woods - that would be kind of disappointing.



Probably meeting them randomly somewhere, or not so randomly because Jojen had a dream that told him where to go, would establish his green dreams quite nicely.

Doesn't really matter to me how they're going to introduce them, I'm just happy they're in, the Bran storyline would've gotten really boring for me otherwise.
lannisport
Profile Joined February 2012
878 Posts
May 30 2012 17:26 GMT
#2706
I really wish they had kept the format of the book focusing on one major character or because of limited screen time, story arc/area per episode. Then have a handful of them cover a little bit of everything. I thought the last episode was really strong because they had more time to flesh out the story than usual.

Also, stop messing with Dany's shit. I'd rather not see her at all than see some random bullshit. In a lot of great tv shows i.e. mad men, you don't even see some of the characters for a good two or three episodes. That way you don't need to force out these little storylines.
chillpenguin
Profile Joined March 2011
United States90 Posts
May 30 2012 19:12 GMT
#2707
On May 31 2012 01:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 03:58 jj33 wrote:
On May 30 2012 03:56 Conti wrote:
EW.com: 'Game of Thrones' scoop: Season 3 character list revealed -- EXCLUSIVE

Reeds are in! Rejoice!


thanks for link.

I'm excited to the Olenna, love how her bodyguards were named left and right haha

Red Viper? Where s my Red Viper? Cas Anvar looked really good for the role, but i guess he'll be Daario then...



It's new characters for Season 3, so the Red Viper might not show up till season 4. They can't skip out on his epic duel with the Mountain (oh and they better bring back the huge crazy looking Mountain, not this imposter they have this season).
Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
May 30 2012 19:19 GMT
#2708
On May 30 2012 22:44 1ntrigue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 22:08 Nuclease wrote:
On May 30 2012 14:50 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 30 2012 14:41 Nuclease wrote:
On May 30 2012 11:08 bayside wrote:
Meh who cares about the rob/catelyn line, they all die horrible deaths at the hands of the Freys anyways... I'm about 60% through book 3, and its kindve like wtf? It has been very hard to get back into the series after that, because the Lannisters are just so OP, Im at the point now where I pretty much know stannis is going to become king, and the Dornish are going to kill all the lannisters in a terrible terrible fashion.... only question is, where does Dany come in... Meh I think the show will lose a huge amount of followers when Rob dies... they have strayed quite a bit from the book as well (lots of things from book 3 are already in the season, while blackwater was the last thing to happen...)


I don't think that the show will lose any significant viewer base after Rob dies. The Lannisters get dealt mighty blows soon thereafter, such as Cersei's imprisonment by the Church, Tywin's murder by Tyrion, Tyrion's exile, Jamie's hand getting cut off, etc., etc. George R.R. Martin has a way of balancing which I find very adept and satisfying. People will recognize that.

And, actually, the episode "Blackwater" is the second-to-last episode in the current season of the show. So, while GOT the show is straying a bit, in fairly minor ways, usually, except for Dany's dragons being stolen, from ASOIAF the books, the timeline of the Blackwater River conflict is very consistent with the novels.

Since Book 3 is going to be 2 seasons, none of what you talk about is going to happen in part 1 (except hand getting cut of) and Cersei imprisonment is not going to happen who know how long.


Recognize the part where I say that people will recognize that GRRM will balance out the series. That doesn't mean that they have to have INSTANT results from GOT or GRRM. There is no way that people are just going to say, oh, well, Rob died, guess this show sucks now.

Moreover, you can't just assume that you know how the two seasons are going to be split. For all you know, much and more will happen to the Lannisters (Joffrey's assassination for example) very early on. The TV series CAN, even though it hasn't much, split from the timeline at ANY GIVEN POINT. Just the fact that they are making two seasons for one book's plot suggests that they have something new in mind for it because they have only given each book one season so far. So, you make a lot of sketchy assumptions in this post.

People will see that GRRM balances out. Always. Just the fact that he kills off (most of) the Starks after their quick rise to power indicates that he searches for balance in plot, attempting not to favor a family. The Lannister's time will come.

That's a very good observation. I remember reading AGOT for the first time and thinking that the Starks would destroy the Lannisters with the power of the North, the Riverlands, the Vale and the Iron Islands against the Westerlands, especially with a potential alliance with the Reach and the Crownlands on the cards. Starks and Renly were OP but then GRRM gave the Lannisters some thickass plot armour and Theon turned out traitor, Lysa turned out crazy, the Tully family turned out utterly incompetent except for the Blackfish, Renly turned out dead and Stannis turned out like Stannis.


Haha I thought the same thing in my early read-through. I was devastated when Rob and Catelyn died (even though Catelyn never REALLY dies), but the other shoe must drop.
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Critter
Profile Joined January 2011
United States196 Posts
May 31 2012 00:38 GMT
#2709
On May 30 2012 23:12 antelope591 wrote:
As one poster above said what I hated most about ADWD was what he did with Dany's character. The Dany from book 3 was the best ruler we've seen so far by far. She had nothing at the start but a few ships and she ended up conquering 3 slave cities and amassed a huge army. Her troops loved her, she was smart in battle tactics and made all the right moves. Then in book 5 she turns into a teenage ditz with a love crush and does nothing useful through the whole novel. Its a shame her story held up the book for so long when it ended up being by far the worst of the novel anyway -_-.


Book 3 Dany was a great conqueror, not ruler. She showed that she'd have a chance at *taking* the Iron Throne, but book 5 illustrated she might not be so hot at actually ruling once she did. Battlefield Commander =/= Queen. I don't disagree that aDwD was a weaker book, however.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 31 2012 09:12 GMT
#2710
Finally finished all the books, when is n°6 coming out? I need to read it, really hard.
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Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
May 31 2012 09:16 GMT
#2711
Probably 2020.
elt
Profile Joined July 2010
Thailand1092 Posts
May 31 2012 09:27 GMT
#2712
On May 31 2012 02:14 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 23:24 zatic wrote:
Did you guys see this? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117511-Game-of-Thrones-Season-3-Details-Surface

Especially: Jojen and Meera Reed

I am wondering why they are introducing them after all. When Bran and co fled from Winterfell I thought OK, in order to make it work on TV they cut the Reeds from it. Wonder how they will introduce them now. Maybe they'll just meet somewhere in the woods - that would be kind of disappointing.



Probably meeting them randomly somewhere, or not so randomly because Jojen had a dream that told him where to go, would establish his green dreams quite nicely.

Doesn't really matter to me how they're going to introduce them, I'm just happy they're in, the Bran storyline would've gotten really boring for me otherwise.


I don't think they have much of a choice... Who else would urge Bran towards his green dreams and whatnot? Meera was with Bran all the way to One Eyed Crow + Show Spoiler +
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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
May 31 2012 13:42 GMT
#2713
On May 31 2012 18:12 Incognoto wrote:
Finally finished all the books, when is n°6 coming out? I need to read it, really hard.

Considering Book 5 took 6 years to get released after book 4, and book 5 was released last year, I wouldn't hold my breath on finding it on shelves anytime soon.
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haegN
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway533 Posts
May 31 2012 14:30 GMT
#2714
On May 30 2012 19:19 Ficetool wrote:
I will start to watch the TV series now I guess....However. The book strongly disappointed me (just finished reading the last one)... There is not a single character left in the book that I really like. Where's the fun in reading the books if you are always like chapter1: "meh..dont like him" chapter2: "oh not her again"...chapter3: "well about you I dont care at all"....and so on

And then of those great and awesome direwolfs... there are how many left? like 3? They haven't played ANY role in the book apart from getting slauhtered and their heads getting put on human bodies. And from Rickon I haven't heard in like what? 1 1/2 books?

By now I just hope Daenerys flies to Westeros, kills everyone and be done with it -.-


Did you seriously read like 5-6k pages while not liking it? Are you a sadist?
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 31 2012 14:45 GMT
#2715
On May 31 2012 22:42 Live2Win wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 18:12 Incognoto wrote:
Finally finished all the books, when is n°6 coming out? I need to read it, really hard.

Considering Book 5 took 6 years to get released after book 4, and book 5 was released last year, I wouldn't hold my breath on finding it on shelves anytime soon.


Would be nice to see him get a move on. :D


Can we openly talk about what will happen in the books now? Because this is all gearing up to be very interesting.
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19190 Posts
May 31 2012 14:58 GMT
#2716
why wouldn't we be able to? It's the spoilers thread...
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scudst0rm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1149 Posts
May 31 2012 16:33 GMT
#2717
How old is the actor who plays Tommen? I've tried looking it up and I've heard 11, but nothing definitive. He's already noticeably older than in season 1.

My concern is that if he is 14 by the time we get to the events of AFFC then he would be too old for Ser Pounce and Lady Whiskers
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6262 Posts
May 31 2012 16:44 GMT
#2718
On May 31 2012 09:38 Critter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 23:12 antelope591 wrote:
As one poster above said what I hated most about ADWD was what he did with Dany's character. The Dany from book 3 was the best ruler we've seen so far by far. She had nothing at the start but a few ships and she ended up conquering 3 slave cities and amassed a huge army. Her troops loved her, she was smart in battle tactics and made all the right moves. Then in book 5 she turns into a teenage ditz with a love crush and does nothing useful through the whole novel. Its a shame her story held up the book for so long when it ended up being by far the worst of the novel anyway -_-.


Book 3 Dany was a great conqueror, not ruler. She showed that she'd have a chance at *taking* the Iron Throne, but book 5 illustrated she might not be so hot at actually ruling once she did. Battlefield Commander =/= Queen. I don't disagree that aDwD was a weaker book, however.


She is still pretty young though and maybe the experience she gains now makes her a lot better rules if she will rule in Westeros. Also a lot of the dificulties in her ruling now is because she is a foreigner with different morals and values in Westeros they atleast know she's a Targaryen and how they are and rule which should be a lot easier in that regard.
Ficetool
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany165 Posts
May 31 2012 16:50 GMT
#2719
On May 31 2012 23:30 haegN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 19:19 Ficetool wrote:
I will start to watch the TV series now I guess....However. The book strongly disappointed me (just finished reading the last one)... There is not a single character left in the book that I really like. Where's the fun in reading the books if you are always like chapter1: "meh..dont like him" chapter2: "oh not her again"...chapter3: "well about you I dont care at all"....and so on

And then of those great and awesome direwolfs... there are how many left? like 3? They haven't played ANY role in the book apart from getting slauhtered and their heads getting put on human bodies. And from Rickon I haven't heard in like what? 1 1/2 books?

By now I just hope Daenerys flies to Westeros, kills everyone and be done with it -.-


Did you seriously read like 5-6k pages while not liking it? Are you a sadist?


If Book 5 has 5-6k pages, then yes...
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
May 31 2012 17:10 GMT
#2720
On June 01 2012 01:33 scudst0rm wrote:
How old is the actor who plays Tommen? I've tried looking it up and I've heard 11, but nothing definitive. He's already noticeably older than in season 1.

My concern is that if he is 14 by the time we get to the events of AFFC then he would be too old for Ser Pounce and Lady Whiskers

they can easily replace him, half of the non-reader audience still doesnt know who he is
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