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serum321
United States606 Posts
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
On December 02 2013 20:31 krndandaman wrote: could it be that one of the girls actually killed the 2 sick people and carol was just covering for them? I thought about that ever since Carol said she did it, and I think the squirrel thing confirms it. This episode was great btw, one of my favorite of the show, I'm so glad the Gov finally died, fucking psycho ! BTW how the fuck could Glenn leave without Maggie ?!!! Bastard you don't deserve her  | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32160 Posts
The governor's plan wasn't stupid. A tank provides mobile cover to get up. It can also destroy the compound. He (and the camp) could have brought it as a show of force, hopign to scare them out Also worth considering are the governor's motivations, which absolutely include revenge. Even if he genuinely did want to take the prison to use it, he probably lost all his motivation for that once the kid who looked like his dead daughter was bitten. Revenge and that stand in daughter are a much higher priority for him than the lives of a bunch of mostly useless people in his camp. His character has previously shown that he views non-essentials like that as dispensable | ||
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serum321
United States606 Posts
I do however like how in the finale last season the talk between the governor and milton, the governor says maybe if he had been the way he is in the beginning his daughter would still be alive and it is because of the way he is now that gets his new adopted daughter killed. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32160 Posts
I'm just happy that Daryl, Michonne, Maggie and Glenn lived. Herschel dying did suck though. But that group, esp Michonne and Daryl, are my favorites. Michonne is so goddamn badass. | ||
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BeaSteR
Sweden328 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:25 serum321 wrote: Of course the camp wasn't as safe as the prison, but they seem to have been doing fine there for awhile. Their back was to water and they had the cover of a treeline overlooking a large field around them where they set up blinds. Basic human instinct is survival and these people are not trained soldiers, the moment gun shots would have been fired at them, all due to this idiot chopping someone's head off I don't/can't believe anyone would have thought they had better odds at survival charging into an armed prison, rather than return to where they were. I do however like how in the finale last season the talk between the governor and milton, the governor says maybe if he had been the way he is in the beginning his daughter would still be alive and it is because of the way he is now that gets his new adopted daughter killed. I like this interpretation of the Governor's daughter. Shooting his "new daughter" marks his acceptance of the "bad guy" he is. I find it strange though that it is his "new wife" that shoots him in the end. Is it out of mercy or anger? It's bad that I don't know their names, we have seen them so little on screen and barely have any relation to the new characters before they die. | ||
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BeaSteR
Sweden328 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:33 QuanticHawk wrote: That's true. I didn't like the zombie coming up from the ground though. That struck me as a lazy way of killing her off. I'm just happy that Daryl, Michonne, Maggie and Glenn lived. Herschel dying did suck though. But that group, esp Michonne and Daryl, are my favorites. Michonne is so goddamn badass. I agree. Daryl is my favorite, he is acting rational and his action scenes were the coolest by far! | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32160 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:34 BeaSteR wrote: I like this interpretation of the Governor's daughter. Shooting his "new daughter" marks his acceptance of the "bad guy" he is. I find it strange though that it is his "new wife" that shoots him in the end. Is it out of mercy or anger? It's bad that I don't know their names, we have seen them so little on screen and barely have any relation to the new characters before they die. I assume anger for how coldly he finished off the kid, and for her blaming him for her death since it happened when he went off. Wasnt she not too keen on the whole thing? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:35 BeaSteR wrote: I agree. Daryl is my favorite, he is acting rational and his action scenes were the coolest by far! That's kind of the cool thing about him though. People complain that he's almost "death proof" because of his popularity, but he's written in such a way that they can't really kill him off because he's so rational and survivalist-ic that even at his weakest (the season 2 episode with Merle's hallucination) he was able to survive by just being smart. Honestly, even though Rick is the "main character", if anyone was to realistically live the longest, it would be Daryl. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:44 QuanticHawk wrote: I assume anger for how coldly he finished off the kid, and for her blaming him for her death since it happened when he went off. Wasnt she not too keen on the whole thing? Also the whole "you'll be safe here no walkers can get to you" and then they did. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:44 QuanticHawk wrote: I assume anger for how coldly he finished off the kid, and for her blaming him for her death since it happened when he went off. Wasnt she not too keen on the whole thing? She was already having reservations, saying "I don't know who you are" earlier. I think after she saw him express zero emotion while shooting her daughter in the head, and leading all of her friends to die, she was pretty damn disgusted by him. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32160 Posts
 . The dead ringer headshot was a little much though haha.I definitely think the baby is alive. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:45 Requizen wrote: That's kind of the cool thing about him though. People complain that he's almost "death proof" because of his popularity, but he's written in such a way that they can't really kill him off because he's so rational and survivalist-ic that even at his weakest (the season 2 episode with Merle's hallucination) he was able to survive by just being smart. Honestly, even though Rick is the "main character", if anyone was to realistically live the longest, it would be Daryl. Yeah, they likely created his character as an example of someone who is useless in civilian life but incredibly valuable in a zombie apocalypse. Now if they would stop putting him in so many situations where it looks like he's about to die. I'm excited to see the group back on the road again. They're also splintered which will hopefully lead into some interesting character developments and situations. Tyreese and kids, Rick and Carl, Glen and a bus full of other sick people, Beth and Daryl (obvious TWD fangirl fantasy), and Maggie + Sasha + Bob. | ||
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KnT
Australia243 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
(When I say "nobody", I mean among the viewers, of course.) | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 03 2013 00:11 BeaSteR wrote: It is true that he doesn't know how committed they are. I am arguing he would want to reveal things about the governor in order to sway the opinion of the attackers, at least make them question their relatively new leader. Even during an apocalypse I would not follow just the word of one man and put my life on the line for him. It's not like they aren't safe already, they have a tank for god's sake. They take a huge risk attacking a prison with heavily armed people (they didn't even assess their opponents before attacking, spying on them from afar only trusting the governor). The tank was already in the camp when the governor joined the group. It could have been some time from when he joined them until they attacked but I think most people would agree it went quite fast from him joining, killing off the leader and becoming leader himself - to proposing an attack against a group of heavily armed people. Edit: How did that tank not hit a single target? Was it just handled by that one guy who jumped out when they threw in the grenade? Please they could work harder on those details! And his point is that Rick doesn't know whether or not the governor is a relatively new leader, or if many of those people are from the hardcore sect of woodbury which took off after he murdered everyone else. Like, you have to realize the gaping disparity in how much you (the audience) knows versus what the characters know. The characters probably don't even know a fraction of the things he did in woodbury that we (the audience) got to see. Also from the very start I did not expect that tank to be accurate. If I remember right, the original tank driver was peter and he was murdered (I could be wrong), and even then, we don't even know if he was the driver, the gunner, or the commander. If anything, I'd question how they were able to reload it so fast without training. I'm pretty sure they were just relying on the tank to be threatening and use it for cover for their advance. Hitting point blank targets smaller than your tank that are moving is not easy, unless they are significantly clumped up. Tanks are designed for long range anti-tank/infantry support. If you over estimate the strength of a tank then this scene was probably very underwhelming, but if you are aware of a tank's limits then this scene is very satisfying and needs no further details. I mean, let's not lie; if the tank was hitting the targets it was aiming at, I'm 90% sure everyone in this thread would be in an uproar over how someone so inexperienced in a tank could handle it that well. edit: Not to mention, the tank was traveling up an incline towards the prison, I wouldn't doubt that it simply doesn't have the gun depression to actually hit the ground. If you wanna be even more nit picky, it really makes no difference whether or not the person driving the tank originally was a tank driver before the apocalypse, because (im 90% sure) the tank was an M103 or a variant production model. I could be wrong but I don't think they issue M103's anymore to modern tank teams lol. It has a gun depression of -8, so it's definitely incapable of hitting ground targets at such a close range. They should have been manning it's 50 cal machine guns, but I guess thats the real oversight nobody thinks of. It's definitely more flashy to have a tank firing it's main gun than for it to just be a moving 50 cal which would completely wreck any cover the prison group had. But I think it's also plausible for a group so inexperienced with tanks to overvalue the power of it's main gun and neglect it's supporting machine guns. | ||
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