|
Discussing the show and past episodes is fine. Do not put things that have happened in the TV series in spoilers. However, don't spoil things from the books that may happen in future episodes. Put book spoilers in spoiler tags with a CLEAR WARNING that it is from the book. |
On October 23 2012 22:58 Scorch wrote:I read volumes 1 & 2 (issues 1-12) of the comic yesterday, which cover about the first two seasons of the TV show. + Show Spoiler +I was surprised to see how different it is. The show has everything fleshed out in much more detail, features a couple different characters, handles Shane very differently, spends much more time on Hershel's farm etc. I don't want to continue reading now lest I spoil myself. Are the comics all about Rick's group or are there any completely independent storylines I could read without spoiling the show?
The comics are all about Rick and his group. And to be honest, I feel you should keep reading. The show is good for the zombie action, but the story, plot and characters are quite simply better in the comics so far.
|
I'm liking the abundance of violence this season; it's quite refreshing after the doldrums of season 2. The machete to the head by Rick was awesome. Finally, he's started making decisions without the tiresome self-doubt and tedious debate.
|
On October 24 2012 00:41 Zealotdriver wrote:
I'm liking the abundance of violence this season; it's quite refreshing after the doldrums of season 2. The machete to the head by Rick was awesome. Finally, he's started making decisions without the tiresome self-doubt and tedious debate.
Oh, I think he does still have doubts. Did you see how he looked after he locked that prisoner outside the courtyard with the zombies?
|
On October 23 2012 14:58 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 14:47 hitthat wrote:
If not overusing shitty magical "zombie jinx" trope ("epic" misfortune moments when confronting zombies, like "keys to sewer", "rain in the worst timing possible" or "get hurt while hiding before a horde") over and over again, this show would be much better. So if nothing ever surprising happened with the zombies (...)
So why just dont stick to a goold old "idiot ball" trope? I dont complain if most troubles are made by stupidity of the characters. Humans, specially in desperate situations, make a poor decisions all the time. Instead, we have this crap. In this show it looks like a death from "Final destination" just get bored of generic XXI century and jump to the zombie apocalypse. All this zombie jinx moments prooves bad writing, as it seems as if writers had no idea how to kick action forward.
|
On October 24 2012 01:18 hitthat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 14:58 Zooper31 wrote:On October 23 2012 14:47 hitthat wrote:
If not overusing shitty magical "zombie jinx" trope ("epic" misfortune moments when confronting zombies, like "keys to sewer", "rain in the worst timing possible" or "get hurt while hiding before a horde") over and over again, this show would be much better. So if nothing ever surprising happened with the zombies (...) So why just dont stick to a goold old "idiot ball" trope? I dont complain if most troubles are made by stupidity of the characters. Humans, specially in desperate situations, make a poor decisions all the time. Instead, we have this crap. In this show it looks like a death from "Final destination" just get bored of generic XXI century and jump to the zombie apocalypse. All this zombie jinx moments prooves bad writing, as it seems as if writers had no idea how to kick action forward.
Well the scene you're referencing, Hershel's zombie bite, was to show that some zombies are lurkers that play dead and wait for pray to walk by, something they explained even better in the comics. Idk I guess I just disagree and feel like they use your "Idiot Ball" trope way more than "Final Destination".
|
On October 23 2012 22:29 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 14:32 RowdierBob wrote:
Do zombies poop? Where does all that flesh go anyway? Everyone should give The Zombie Survival Guide a read (and it's companion, World War Z). Even if it's not the same mechanics as the show, the ideas inside are sound. According to that, the digestive tract is mostly still intact, but not working. So food/flesh just kind of sits in the zombie's throat or stomach until more gets eaten, and it gets pushed along down the tract, until it either a) gets forced out the far end (gross) or b) bursts out of the stomach from being too packed. BTW, this season is already like 10x better than last season. They just need a gross moment to top "swollen well" zombie bursting in half lol.
Don't promote that terrible writer. Brooks is the most over rated piece of shit in the entirety of the zombie world.
|
On October 24 2012 05:52 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 22:29 Requizen wrote:On October 23 2012 14:32 RowdierBob wrote:
Do zombies poop? Where does all that flesh go anyway? Everyone should give The Zombie Survival Guide a read (and it's companion, World War Z). Even if it's not the same mechanics as the show, the ideas inside are sound. According to that, the digestive tract is mostly still intact, but not working. So food/flesh just kind of sits in the zombie's throat or stomach until more gets eaten, and it gets pushed along down the tract, until it either a) gets forced out the far end (gross) or b) bursts out of the stomach from being too packed. BTW, this season is already like 10x better than last season. They just need a gross moment to top "swollen well" zombie bursting in half lol. Don't promote that terrible writer. Brooks is the most over rated piece of shit in the entirety of the zombie world.
Meh, I consider myself a varied reader, and I got a lot of enjoyment out of both those works. If there's some sort of zombie culture stigma against the guy, or if he's a giant douche in real life or something, I'm not aware of that, but I had plenty of fun reading both the Guide and WWZ.
|
On October 24 2012 05:58 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 05:52 Dosey wrote:On October 23 2012 22:29 Requizen wrote:On October 23 2012 14:32 RowdierBob wrote:
Do zombies poop? Where does all that flesh go anyway? Everyone should give The Zombie Survival Guide a read (and it's companion, World War Z). Even if it's not the same mechanics as the show, the ideas inside are sound. According to that, the digestive tract is mostly still intact, but not working. So food/flesh just kind of sits in the zombie's throat or stomach until more gets eaten, and it gets pushed along down the tract, until it either a) gets forced out the far end (gross) or b) bursts out of the stomach from being too packed. BTW, this season is already like 10x better than last season. They just need a gross moment to top "swollen well" zombie bursting in half lol. Don't promote that terrible writer. Brooks is the most over rated piece of shit in the entirety of the zombie world. Meh, I consider myself a varied reader, and I got a lot of enjoyment out of both those works. If there's some sort of zombie culture stigma against the guy, or if he's a giant douche in real life or something, I'm not aware of that, but I had plenty of fun reading both the Guide and WWZ.
I just think he's a god awful writer and his style in both the books proves it. Lists of things to do if a Zombie attacks? Interviews with little to no character development and ending the interview the moment things get interesting? Hell, the first half of the book (WWZ) was just spreading the message that the people are stupid, the government is stupid, and the media is stupid; we should learn from our mistakes and not be stupid! The only interview that was semi-interesting and actually had a completed feeling was the downed chopper pilot.
If not for him targeting a very popular, but relatively unexplored niche, then no one would have ever heard of the fool.
Just ugh...
|
On October 24 2012 06:05 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 05:58 Requizen wrote:On October 24 2012 05:52 Dosey wrote:On October 23 2012 22:29 Requizen wrote:On October 23 2012 14:32 RowdierBob wrote:
Do zombies poop? Where does all that flesh go anyway? Everyone should give The Zombie Survival Guide a read (and it's companion, World War Z). Even if it's not the same mechanics as the show, the ideas inside are sound. According to that, the digestive tract is mostly still intact, but not working. So food/flesh just kind of sits in the zombie's throat or stomach until more gets eaten, and it gets pushed along down the tract, until it either a) gets forced out the far end (gross) or b) bursts out of the stomach from being too packed. BTW, this season is already like 10x better than last season. They just need a gross moment to top "swollen well" zombie bursting in half lol. Don't promote that terrible writer. Brooks is the most over rated piece of shit in the entirety of the zombie world. Meh, I consider myself a varied reader, and I got a lot of enjoyment out of both those works. If there's some sort of zombie culture stigma against the guy, or if he's a giant douche in real life or something, I'm not aware of that, but I had plenty of fun reading both the Guide and WWZ. I just think he's a god awful writer and his style in both the books proves it. Lists of things to do if a Zombie attacks? Interviews with little to no character development and ending the interview the moment things get interesting? Hell, the first half of the book (WWZ) was just spreading the message that the people are stupid, the government is stupid, and the media is stupid; we should learn from our mistakes and not be stupid! If not for him targeting a very popular, but relatively unexplored niche, then no one would have ever heard of the fool. Just ugh...
Difference in opinion I suppose. I loved the interview style of WWZ, it really gave it a "post-post-apocalyptic" feel to it, as opposed to just another action story about fighting zombies. The Guide was more just serious parody sort of thing, imo.
And most of the interviews were completed, just broken up over different chapters. The mercenary's one is a personal favorite, I thought it was cool how they're all broken up into "pre attack", "panic", "survival", "fighting back", "aftereffects".
|
On October 24 2012 06:09 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 06:05 Dosey wrote:On October 24 2012 05:58 Requizen wrote:On October 24 2012 05:52 Dosey wrote:On October 23 2012 22:29 Requizen wrote:On October 23 2012 14:32 RowdierBob wrote:
Do zombies poop? Where does all that flesh go anyway? Everyone should give The Zombie Survival Guide a read (and it's companion, World War Z). Even if it's not the same mechanics as the show, the ideas inside are sound. According to that, the digestive tract is mostly still intact, but not working. So food/flesh just kind of sits in the zombie's throat or stomach until more gets eaten, and it gets pushed along down the tract, until it either a) gets forced out the far end (gross) or b) bursts out of the stomach from being too packed. BTW, this season is already like 10x better than last season. They just need a gross moment to top "swollen well" zombie bursting in half lol. Don't promote that terrible writer. Brooks is the most over rated piece of shit in the entirety of the zombie world. Meh, I consider myself a varied reader, and I got a lot of enjoyment out of both those works. If there's some sort of zombie culture stigma against the guy, or if he's a giant douche in real life or something, I'm not aware of that, but I had plenty of fun reading both the Guide and WWZ. I just think he's a god awful writer and his style in both the books proves it. Lists of things to do if a Zombie attacks? Interviews with little to no character development and ending the interview the moment things get interesting? Hell, the first half of the book (WWZ) was just spreading the message that the people are stupid, the government is stupid, and the media is stupid; we should learn from our mistakes and not be stupid! If not for him targeting a very popular, but relatively unexplored niche, then no one would have ever heard of the fool. Just ugh... Difference in opinion I suppose. I loved the interview style of WWZ, it really gave it a "post-post-apocalyptic" feel to it, as opposed to just another action story about fighting zombies. The Guide was more just serious parody sort of thing, imo. And most of the interviews were completed, just broken up over different chapters. The mercenary's one is a personal favorite, I thought it was cool how they're all broken up into "pre attack", "panic", "survival", "fighting back", "aftereffects".
The interview has a completed feeling, but the stories didn't. Take the Japanese nerd for example.
+ Show Spoiler +"I escaped the apartment and ran into the woods, I then met Mr. Blind man, who is now my sensei and you are also interviewing, here I am today!" Why couldn't he delve more into what happened after they met? Or his difficult journey to get there? Why does it go from him running into blind man to, "we created such and such organization and helped kill all zombies"?
I just didn't like that.
Same can be said for the merc.
+ Show Spoiler +"I was at such and such house protecting people, they started murdering innocent humans, so I ran! I'm now here on this island talking to you, I'm a killer by nature so who knows what I'll do now that all the Zeds are dead".
Or how about the girl that went north?
+ Show Spoiler +We went north because the Government told us to. There was nothing there and we eventually starved. We then resorted to cannibalism. Here, help me dig up these bones and kill these frozen zombies, Mr. Reporter. Oh, and I think the Government should rot in hell for what they did to us. You get no feeling of what it was like when people turned to cannibalism, or the hell that it was up there just that her parents did it to save her and she did it to try and save them and the aftermath.
It's a shame that he introduced so many interesting characters yet did nothing to develop them or the stories around them. Some people love the documentary style and total lack of actual main characters and development, I personally don't and think he did so because he's a terrible writer.
|
Fuck yes to Carl talking back to Lori. I hope that baby is still born.
Next episode looks pretty interesting. I can really see this series ending with a big shoot off dayz style.
|
Well, I have watched the last episode yesterday, and the only way to explain what I feel about it is by talking how I got into The Walking Dead.
I was listening to SOTG 2 years ago, and day 9 was really hyping this new series that's coming next week and begging everyone to watch it, since it was his favourite comic book ever and he thought form the trailers that it was going to be awesome. Before that, also on Sotg they were hyping Game of Thrones and I got into it and absolutely loved it, read it and it's one of my favourite things to date.
So, I went into reading the comic books, and they WHERE FUCKING AWESOME!
Have in mind that I have never really read any "serious" comic books (apart from V for Vendetta and Watchmen), so when I got into Kirkman's world I was blown away, the way that he introduced Shane and than got rid of him was just amazing, at that point I was psyched as hell for the TV show, because I saw that as the "Ned Stark dies" of The Walking Dead.
I have seen the season 1, I liked it, I was naturally pissed by deviations and some casting choices (spoiled by GOT child actors I was disappointed in Carl and I really hated Lori), but I was over all really happy. Than season 2 came up, and the slow, slow not necessary personal drama started. I was agonizing for 10 episodes, but I was looking forward to Rick and Shane showdown since that was basicly the only build-up that I enjoyed, and than they wouldn't make a kid shoot a living person in the head, and that sucked. I was really pissed (thought the S2 i skipped a lot of shitty dialogue by fast forwarding it because it just sucked) and the last episode made me keep watching it only by curiosity for how they are going to handle prison arc.
Cometh the season 3, + Show Spoiler +So, the first part was cool, Carl wasn't a little whimp, Lori got less screen time, Machone choped heads off, it was more or less cool. The fact that they removed Dale and that Andrea is MIA still pissed me off, and missing like a half of the cast from prison had me worried how are they going to cover prisoners. The big part of Rick going from a mister good guy was the way he dealt with the serial killer/Tyresse daughter thing was what made him what he is later in the Comics. Now, we don't get serial killer, Andrea doesn't get scared, Tyresse/Machonne affair doesn't happen, Maggie has much less motivation to be depressed (especially since Hershel is still alive), Rick doesn't get to smash a guys head to the ground, it's just watered down and it makes me think that the writers don't really get what the comics are really about.
The way they are portraying Rick right now is he just got to this merciless machiavelian dude straight from idealistic cop just from killing Shane in self defence, the way it was handled in comics is just so much better.
Now, I know it's stupid to be disappointed in advance, but from what I have seen of Governeur arc from previews it's nowhere near the ruthlessness as in the comics, and I just don't get why. They have no problem showing terrible gore and violence, but when it comes to chopping off Rick's hand and torturing Machonne/Governeur it's too much. That is from what I understand the need to cater to mainstream audience that this show has gained, but it just makes me sad, since the comics in collusion with Game of thrones really got my hopes up, and this show just stomps the last glimmers of hope for this show, and I know I'm probably still keep watching it, if only to get something to rant about.
|
|
|
On October 24 2012 06:09 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 06:05 Dosey wrote:On October 24 2012 05:58 Requizen wrote:On October 24 2012 05:52 Dosey wrote:On October 23 2012 22:29 Requizen wrote:On October 23 2012 14:32 RowdierBob wrote:
Do zombies poop? Where does all that flesh go anyway? Everyone should give The Zombie Survival Guide a read (and it's companion, World War Z). Even if it's not the same mechanics as the show, the ideas inside are sound. According to that, the digestive tract is mostly still intact, but not working. So food/flesh just kind of sits in the zombie's throat or stomach until more gets eaten, and it gets pushed along down the tract, until it either a) gets forced out the far end (gross) or b) bursts out of the stomach from being too packed. BTW, this season is already like 10x better than last season. They just need a gross moment to top "swollen well" zombie bursting in half lol. Don't promote that terrible writer. Brooks is the most over rated piece of shit in the entirety of the zombie world. Meh, I consider myself a varied reader, and I got a lot of enjoyment out of both those works. If there's some sort of zombie culture stigma against the guy, or if he's a giant douche in real life or something, I'm not aware of that, but I had plenty of fun reading both the Guide and WWZ. I just think he's a god awful writer and his style in both the books proves it. Lists of things to do if a Zombie attacks? Interviews with little to no character development and ending the interview the moment things get interesting? Hell, the first half of the book (WWZ) was just spreading the message that the people are stupid, the government is stupid, and the media is stupid; we should learn from our mistakes and not be stupid! If not for him targeting a very popular, but relatively unexplored niche, then no one would have ever heard of the fool. Just ugh... Difference in opinion I suppose. I loved the interview style of WWZ, it really gave it a "post-post-apocalyptic" feel to it, as opposed to just another action story about fighting zombies. The Guide was more just serious parody sort of thing, imo. And most of the interviews were completed, just broken up over different chapters. The mercenary's one is a personal favorite, I thought it was cool how they're all broken up into "pre attack", "panic", "survival", "fighting back", "aftereffects".
I read books from lots of different genres and I definitely enjoyed both of those books, and would recommend them to anyone who likes Walking Dead.
|
On October 24 2012 07:31 Benjef wrote:
Fuck yes to Carl talking back to Lori. I hope that baby is still born.
Next episode looks pretty interesting. I can really see this series ending with a big shoot off dayz style.
I swear this show brings out the worst in us... I love it!
|
Watched the latest episode last night. Lori ticks me off and I hope she dies. Nothing sadistic there it is just as far as useful survivors go, she is above the younger of Hershal's two and that is because she managed CPR. One useful thing since the beginning of season one. The rest of it has been her bossing people as the leader of women and bitching.
Yelling at Carl (who finally learned how to function in a group and stop getting people killed) for fetching supplies was dumb. She admits she is a crappy mum but that is an understatement. The entire group will have a better chance if she goes.
|
Putting it in spoilers for the people who want to only discuss the episodes that have aired and haven't read the comics.+ Show Spoiler + I'm probably in the minority, but I didn't like the Governor arc in the comics. Hopefully the show manages to make it more entertaining for me than the comics did.
I thought the newest episode was pretty good. People seem to have a big problem with Lori from what I've read, but I don't see why. Carl going out to get supplies was an awesome thing to do, but ridiculously dangerous. Of course she's going to try to keep her kid from doing dangerous shit. Can you really blame her for that? + Show Spoiler +Yes (but I don't see why you would).
Rick being aggressive and killing dudes was pretty cool, but it didn't have impact. He killed the ass-hole generic Hispanic prisoner for being a douche. I actually commend him on doing that. Something with impact would be him executing the dudes that weren't psychotic bastards.
Looking forward to what comes next.
|
On October 24 2012 12:31 NuclearJudas wrote:Putting it in spoilers for the people who want to only discuss the episodes that have aired and haven't read the comics. + Show Spoiler + I'm probably in the minority, but I didn't like the Governor arc in the comics. Hopefully the show manages to make it more entertaining for me than the comics did. Rick being aggressive and killing dudes was pretty cool, but it didn't have impact. He killed the ass-hole generic Hispanic prisoner for being a douche. I actually commend him on doing that. Something with impact would be him executing the dudes that weren't psychotic bastards. Looking forward to what comes next.
In response to your spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +From what I know on the Governor, he really sounds like an excellent character and someone that can really lead to the exploration of a new idea: an actual SAFE HAVEN. I'm sure he will also be tied to Rick somehow, with how they're both in charge of their own respective group.
I think just the opposite on Rick killing those two guys. I mean, the first one was 100% justified, but the second guy could have been left alive potentially. Its the no-thinking-twice attitude that has me intrigued with Rick. He really is transforming into someone new, perhaps a shadow of... Shane?
|
United States13896 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:52 krndandaman wrote:
just wondering, where did you guys read the comics book? or did you all buy it?
I originally downloaded the first 70 something issues, but I liked it so much I bought the first compendium (issues 1-48) and have now read that content almost 3 times now.
Compendium 2 was just released at the beginning of the month, and I only just now got around to ordering it, as I'm nearing finishing Compendium 1 for the 3rd time and am ready to move forward in the story again.
They are now only 7 issues past the point at which Compendium 2 ends, so now is the time if you want to catch up on the comics and get up-to-date with the issues as they come hot off the press.
|
On October 24 2012 00:33 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 22:58 Scorch wrote:I read volumes 1 & 2 (issues 1-12) of the comic yesterday, which cover about the first two seasons of the TV show. + Show Spoiler +I was surprised to see how different it is. The show has everything fleshed out in much more detail, features a couple different characters, handles Shane very differently, spends much more time on Hershel's farm etc. I don't want to continue reading now lest I spoil myself. Are the comics all about Rick's group or are there any completely independent storylines I could read without spoiling the show? The comics are all about Rick and his group. And to be honest, I feel you should keep reading. The show is good for the zombie action, but the story, plot and characters are quite simply better in the comics so far.
I don't know if I agree, really. I haven't read that far yet but it's not that good so far. It felt very rushed at the start, some things that I felt should have taken longer went by in two pages. The dialogue isn't very well written, I feel, either.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
